RUGCD available

jotd · 23 March 2016, 23:37

Hi all,

My CD32 console is not doing well, that's why I provide you with this fine RUGCD (Rather Untested Game Compilation Disc) which contains a lot of games running with CD32Load and remapped controls.

First, when booting, AGS shows up. To skip it and switch back to AmigaGuide Launcher (that I adapted), just hold LMB.

Contains latest CD32load 0.21 to be released tonight too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbgxprz0hd...games.zip?dl=0

If you can test it on real hardware and tell me which game works and which doesn't (just complete the google sheet in the proper column: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...4LI/edit#gid=0)

bye

Amiga1992 · 24 March 2016, 00:27

I'll test right away!

[edit1]
Hmmmm... I tried to load Argh and it kept accessing disk and wouldnt do anything. Now I resetted it and the menu wont load.

[edit2]
Power cycled the machine and the menu showed up again. Selected Adams Family and it worked. so i guess Arghh does something weird to the system?

[edit 3]
Something weird is going on, resetted the machine after playing Addams Family for a while and again the menu doesnt show up. Cd32 keeps trying to access disc but nothing happens.

[edit 4]
Now Aargh booted, this is strange.
And I keep getting problems after reset, most times it locks up, some times the games menu boots fine.

[edit 5]
I'm getting lockups before the boot menu even after cold boot sometimes. Could this be related to the amount of files on CD?

Amiga1992 · 24 March 2016, 06:14

OK guys, I got all the way to "Chuck Rock 2".
I added my findings in the database.
Someone take over for a bit, I gotta sleep!

WARNING: Cannon Fodder 2 almost? maybe? kills my CD drive, made an awful noise of banging the CD head against its limits or something??? No idea. Never heard this shit happen ever before. It was GRINDING.
I wouldn't try it. Dunno which other slave can cause this reaction, be careful

Can you look into that jotd? I don't want to kill my CD32 drive testing stuff.

I still run onto erratic behavior of the compilation, with it hanging when reset. I figured out that if I let the CD go to the Amiga CD 32 spinning disc anim, chances the menu will show up are better. but sometimes this trick doesn't work. I have no idea why it does this, this is the only disc that behaves this way.

jotd · 24 March 2016, 11:20

Funny Akira, I have the same problems here (grinding and stuff). It's random and can happen to any game really.
Both happens with RN loader and Psygore loader.

Maybe your drive has a problem just like mine. Because even with standard bootup it sometimes lockup (on normal AmigaOS CD access!)

(not my fault if startup sequence won't load, I think CD32 drives are not designed to last 25+ years)

BTW you can access an alternate menu by holding LMB. Try that too.

FOL · 24 March 2016, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Funny Akira, I have the same problems here (grinding and stuff). It's random and can happen to any game really.
Both happens with RN loader and Psygore loader.

Maybe your drive has a problem just like mine. Because even with standard bootup it sometimes lockup (on normal AmigaOS CD access!)

(not my fault if startup sequence won't load, I think CD32 drives are not designed to last 25+ years)

BTW you can access an alternate menu by holding LMB. Try that too.

Try cleaning the laser. Sounds like its loosing track and then freaking out.
This normally happens if theres a problem focusing on the disc.

Amiga1992 · 24 March 2016, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Maybe your drive has a problem just like mine. Because even with standard bootup it sometimes lockup (on normal AmigaOS CD access!)

That cannot be. Everything else works fine. I never had this issue with any other disc I tried, and I tried many. There must be something here causing it. ll the home made compilations I ever tried work fine. All commercial games work fine. Al unnoficial conversions work fine. This has been teh only disc ever showing this behavior.

If it is related to it losing track, perhaps some bug is making it do so. Something related to this disc is making both things occur. Maybe t's how the disc is made? I have no idea. But this isn't a drive issue in my case. If I had a problem with my drive, I would have noticed, but it reads everything without issues, even those people that have issues with CDXL animations, I don't have that.

Why would it be that my drive is bad if only this disc causes issues?

There's also a lot of random "cannot initialize CD drive" errors on some games.

FOL · 24 March 2016, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

If it is related to it losing track, perhaps some bug is making it do so. Something related to this disc is making both things occur. Maybe t's how the disc is made? I have no idea.

That could be, depending on layout of disc too.

Amiga1992 · 24 March 2016, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

That could be, depending on layout of disc too.

I think the data's physical location on a disc is very important to a CD32 and perhaps something of how this disc was made is making the CD32 act weird.

Again, if my drive had issues, I would notice them in other games. I don't. Everything works fine. Absolutely everything. I went back and tested other games after this happened to see if somehow maybe now my CD32 got ruined by that issue, and everything works.

I think the grinding issue needs to be looked at because I feel it's potentially dangerous to the console.

FOL · 24 March 2016, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I think the grinding issue needs to be looked at because I feel it's potentially dangerous to the console.

It won't damage it. The laser is designed to slip if it gets jammed. Hence the grinding noise.

Amiga1992 · 24 March 2016, 16:17

I dunno, I don't want it to be doing that.

I was just thinking, there was ample talk in this thread about loading times optimization for CD32. It was said that if your data is on the outside rim of the disc, it'd be accessed faster. I am wondering, because I see this disc is all in the inner half of it, if it would be better to put a dummyfile at the beginning of the disc, to fill it all up, and put the menu files all the way n the outer rim. Perhaps this is why there are access issues all around.

FOL · 24 March 2016, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I dunno, I don't want it to be doing that.

I was just thinking, there was ample talk in this thread about loading times optimization for CD32. It was said that if your data is on the outside rim of the disc, it'd be accessed faster. I am wondering, because I see this disc is all in the inner half of it, if it would be better to put a dummyfile at the beginning of the disc, to fill it all up, and put the menu files all the way n the outer rim. Perhaps this is why there are access issues all around.

I was just stating, it won't damage it. I used to work on these CD-ROM (common SONY HiFi mech) mechs for over 10 years.

Disc spins slower once laser gets to second half of disc. So error correction is more crucial.

Nobby_UK · 24 March 2016, 23:48

AAARGH! gets to the "Put Joystick in Port 2" (after a long time on a white screen)
and then does nothing.

The Addams Family works, but some of the baddies colour cycle a bit.
HELP (FWD) + DEL (BWD) whilst Paused (PLAY) brings up the Exit/Continue Screen.

AFTER BURNER title screen appears (+ music plays) then does nothing.

AGONY works fine - can even skip levels with FWD.

ALIEN BREED is all over the shop --- flickery slow-mo and buttons swap functions

ALIEN3 seems fine.

Main menu often does not appear on warm reset --- Needs full Power Off
Left Mouse Button Boot = Nothing !

Amiga1992 · 25 March 2016, 04:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobby_UK

AAARGH! gets to the "Put Joystick in Port 2" (after a long time on a white screen)
and then does nothing.
The Addams Family works, but some of the baddies colour cycle a bit.
[...]
ALIEN BREED is all over the shop --- flickery slow-mo and buttons swap functions

See, this is strange. I experience NONE of these problems on my CD32.

Quote:

Main menu often does not appear on warm reset --- Needs full Power Off
Left Mouse Button Boot = Nothing !

So yeah,it can't be that everybody has a broken CD32. There must be a problem with CD image authoring that causes this and all the "unable to initialize CD drive" problems.

Amiga1992 · 25 March 2016, 06:11

Only a few more tests tonight, got up to "Elfmania" and posted my findings in the spreadsheet. It's been a long day :/

I have skipped a second testing of games giving me a "unable to initialize CD drive" error (like Citadel or Elf), I don't believe this is a CD32Load issue rather an ISO issue. But there's no way I can tell until we can assure 100% the ISO isn't the problem

Usually if I boot again the issue goes away but tonight I am tired and don't really want to waste too much time retrying ater that error.

jotd · 25 March 2016, 06:23

Nobby seems to have the same issues as us (and is testing the same games I tested

)

Alien Breed: the flickering is because there's a sticky "pause" button. A few presses on "play" or any button fixes it and it works fine then.
Aaargh works here.

Time to rebuild another ISO, this time using ISOCD.

Nobby_UK · 25 March 2016, 22:12

ATR = OK
Another World = OK (though I had to look up the codes coz I pressed 'Level Select')
Apano Sin = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (twice) and
(when it looked like it worked) a RED CD32Load Debug = File Read Error: Disk 6 -?
Apidya = Stuck on A.U.D.I.O.S. screen then RED CD32Load Debug = 0005C316: CHK, CHK2 INSTRUCTION?
Aquatic Games = Works but some break-up of sprites
Archon II = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Archon = Brough up a Kick 1.3 boot logo/requestor ???
and a RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive
Arkanoid2 = Gets no further than the Title Screen
or a RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive
Arkanoid = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive
or Demo Plays but cannot get into game followed by a Reset ?!?!
Assassin SE = OK
Assassin = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive
then OK (those dogs will not let go).
Awesome = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive
then OK till end of Level 3 (Ships, Rocks, Monster) then Black Screen.

Amiga1992 · 26 March 2016, 06:07

Nobby you're testing the same games I did and having pretty much the same results.
Look at the Spreadsheet, I got all the way to Elfmania. If you can, test past that.

Nobby_UK · 26 March 2016, 19:31

OK - Will Do :

F-16 = Just a Blue Screen with fuzzy left edge (Blue is normally NO SIGNAL)
Final Fight = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then it Worked until I hit FFWD then it restarted in shades of Blue + Red.
Fire + Brimstone = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Third time = OK
Fire & Ice = Seems OK
First Samurai = Seems OK
Flashback = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Very Slow Loader Then could not get past protection screen without a keyboard (Pressed ALL Buttons)
F1 to Continue ?
Frenetic = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Three Times)
Full Contact = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then Worked with a bit of Glitching then went to RED CD32Load Debug = ILLEGAL INSTRUCTION

Gauntlet 2 = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then it Worked but could not get the game to start (Keyboard ?)
Ghosts n Goblins = Stuck on a White Screen + No Drive Activity
Then RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then back to White Screen + No Drive Activity.
Ghouls + Ghosts = OK (need keyboard to 'Continue' ?)
Global Gladiators = Black Screen + No Drive Activity (+Hard to ReBoot)
Same Again... and Same Again...
Globdule = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Three Times)
Goal = OK until I tried custom teams = FILE READ ERROR = DISK 3 -9.
Gobliiins = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Twice)
Third time = Black screen for a long time then OK (needs Mouse)
GODS = OK
Golden Axe = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Twice)
Then OK
Gravity Force = OK
Great Courts 2 Pro = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then Disc makes horrid sound followed by FILE READ ERROR : PLAYERS.DEF -9
Great Courts Pro Tennis = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive
Then White Screen + No Drive Activity (Twice).

jotd · 26 March 2016, 21:12

protection screens can be passed with "return", i.e. yellow button by defaut with cd32load.

There are a lot of red screens... Psygore said he fixed his routine but now I'm beginning to doubt it.

jotd · 26 March 2016, 23:25

Good news: Using ISOCD the CD is really more stable. I have updated spreadsheet.
Doesn't mean that more games work, but CD boots every time, so Akira you were right.

I hope Patrick our ISO expert can figure out the differences between a hacked mkisofs image and a ISOCD image.

And CD32Load PRELOAD option has been fixed: Archon works for instance.

Edit: Will post a new image on my dropbox ASAP. So far, all "unable to init CD drive" have disappeared !!

On my compilation, buttons have been remapped so you can start games with green, yellow, FWD, RWD...

23 March 2016, 23:37	#1
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	RUGCD available Hi all, My CD32 console is not doing well, that's why I provide you with this fine RUGCD (Rather Untested Game Compilation Disc) which contains a lot of games running with CD32Load and remapped controls. First, when booting, AGS shows up. To skip it and switch back to AmigaGuide Launcher (that I adapted), just hold LMB. Contains latest CD32load 0.21 to be released tonight too. https://www.dropbox.com/s/sbgxprz0hd...games.zip?dl=0 If you can test it on real hardware and tell me which game works and which doesn't (just complete the google sheet in the proper column: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...4LI/edit#gid=0) bye Last edited by jotd; 23 March 2016 at 23:57.

24 March 2016, 00:27	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I'll test right away! [edit1] Hmmmm... I tried to load Argh and it kept accessing disk and wouldnt do anything. Now I resetted it and the menu wont load. [edit2] Power cycled the machine and the menu showed up again. Selected Adams Family and it worked. so i guess Arghh does something weird to the system? [edit 3] Something weird is going on, resetted the machine after playing Addams Family for a while and again the menu doesnt show up. Cd32 keeps trying to access disc but nothing happens. [edit 4] Now Aargh booted, this is strange. And I keep getting problems after reset, most times it locks up, some times the games menu boots fine. [edit 5] I'm getting lockups before the boot menu even after cold boot sometimes. Could this be related to the amount of files on CD? Last edited by Amiga1992; 24 March 2016 at 01:32.

24 March 2016, 23:48	#12
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,600	AAARGH! gets to the "Put Joystick in Port 2" (after a long time on a white screen) and then does nothing. The Addams Family works, but some of the baddies colour cycle a bit. HELP (FWD) + DEL (BWD) whilst Paused (PLAY) brings up the Exit/Continue Screen. AFTER BURNER title screen appears (+ music plays) then does nothing. AGONY works fine - can even skip levels with FWD. ALIEN BREED is all over the shop --- flickery slow-mo and buttons swap functions ALIEN3 seems fine. Main menu often does not appear on warm reset --- Needs full Power Off Left Mouse Button Boot = Nothing ! Last edited by Nobby_UK; 25 March 2016 at 00:17.

26 March 2016, 19:31	#18
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,600	OK - Will Do : F-16 = Just a Blue Screen with fuzzy left edge (Blue is normally NO SIGNAL) Final Fight = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then it Worked until I hit FFWD then it restarted in shades of Blue + Red. Fire + Brimstone = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Third time = OK Fire & Ice = Seems OK First Samurai = Seems OK Flashback = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Very Slow Loader Then could not get past protection screen without a keyboard (Pressed ALL Buttons) F1 to Continue ? Frenetic = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Three Times) Full Contact = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then Worked with a bit of Glitching then went to RED CD32Load Debug = ILLEGAL INSTRUCTION Gauntlet 2 = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then it Worked but could not get the game to start (Keyboard ?) Ghosts n Goblins = Stuck on a White Screen + No Drive Activity Then RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then back to White Screen + No Drive Activity. Ghouls + Ghosts = OK (need keyboard to 'Continue' ?) Global Gladiators = Black Screen + No Drive Activity (+Hard to ReBoot) Same Again... and Same Again... Globdule = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Three Times) Goal = OK until I tried custom teams = FILE READ ERROR = DISK 3 -9. Gobliiins = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Twice) Third time = Black screen for a long time then OK (needs Mouse) GODS = OK Golden Axe = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (Twice) Then OK Gravity Force = OK Great Courts 2 Pro = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then Disc makes horrid sound followed by FILE READ ERROR : PLAYERS.DEF -9 Great Courts Pro Tennis = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Then White Screen + No Drive Activity (Twice). Last edited by Nobby_UK; 12 April 2020 at 23:42.

26 March 2016, 23:25	#20
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	Good news: Using ISOCD the CD is really more stable. I have updated spreadsheet. Doesn't mean that more games work, but CD boots every time, so Akira you were right. I hope Patrick our ISO expert can figure out the differences between a hacked mkisofs image and a ISOCD image. And CD32Load PRELOAD option has been fixed: Archon works for instance. Edit: Will post a new image on my dropbox ASAP. So far, all "unable to init CD drive" have disappeared !! On my compilation, buttons have been remapped so you can start games with green, yellow, FWD, RWD... Last edited by jotd; 26 March 2016 at 23:51.

24 March 2016, 06:14	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	OK guys, I got all the way to "Chuck Rock 2". I added my findings in the database. Someone take over for a bit, I gotta sleep! WARNING: Cannon Fodder 2 almost? maybe? kills my CD drive, made an awful noise of banging the CD head against its limits or something??? No idea. Never heard this shit happen ever before. It was GRINDING. I wouldn't try it. Dunno which other slave can cause this reaction, be careful Can you look into that jotd? I don't want to kill my CD32 drive testing stuff. I still run onto erratic behavior of the compilation, with it hanging when reset. I figured out that if I let the CD go to the Amiga CD 32 spinning disc anim, chances the menu will show up are better. but sometimes this trick doesn't work. I have no idea why it does this, this is the only disc that behaves this way.

24 March 2016, 11:20	#4
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	Funny Akira, I have the same problems here (grinding and stuff). It's random and can happen to any game really. Both happens with RN loader and Psygore loader. Maybe your drive has a problem just like mine. Because even with standard bootup it sometimes lockup (on normal AmigaOS CD access!) (not my fault if startup sequence won't load, I think CD32 drives are not designed to last 25+ years) BTW you can access an alternate menu by holding LMB. Try that too.

24 March 2016, 16:17	#10
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I dunno, I don't want it to be doing that. I was just thinking, there was ample talk in this thread about loading times optimization for CD32. It was said that if your data is on the outside rim of the disc, it'd be accessed faster. I am wondering, because I see this disc is all in the inner half of it, if it would be better to put a dummyfile at the beginning of the disc, to fill it all up, and put the menu files all the way n the outer rim. Perhaps this is why there are access issues all around.

25 March 2016, 06:11	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Only a few more tests tonight, got up to "Elfmania" and posted my findings in the spreadsheet. It's been a long day :/ I have skipped a second testing of games giving me a "unable to initialize CD drive" error (like Citadel or Elf), I don't believe this is a CD32Load issue rather an ISO issue. But there's no way I can tell until we can assure 100% the ISO isn't the problem Usually if I boot again the issue goes away but tonight I am tired and don't really want to waste too much time retrying ater that error.

25 March 2016, 06:23	#15
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	Nobby seems to have the same issues as us (and is testing the same games I tested ) Alien Breed: the flickering is because there's a sticky "pause" button. A few presses on "play" or any button fixes it and it works fine then. Aaargh works here. Time to rebuild another ISO, this time using ISOCD.

25 March 2016, 22:12	#16
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,600	ATR = OK Another World = OK (though I had to look up the codes coz I pressed 'Level Select') Apano Sin = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive (twice) and (when it looked like it worked) a RED CD32Load Debug = File Read Error: Disk 6 -? Apidya = Stuck on A.U.D.I.O.S. screen then RED CD32Load Debug = 0005C316: CHK, CHK2 INSTRUCTION? Aquatic Games = Works but some break-up of sprites Archon II = RED CD32Load Debug = Unable to Initialize Drive Archon = Brough up a Kick 1.3 boot logo/requestor ??? and a RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive Arkanoid2 = Gets no further than the Title Screen or a RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive Arkanoid = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive or Demo Plays but cannot get into game followed by a Reset ?!?! Assassin SE = OK Assassin = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive then OK (those dogs will not let go). Awesome = RED CD32Load Debug Screen = Unable to Initialize Drive then OK till end of Level 3 (Ships, Rocks, Monster) then Black Screen.

26 March 2016, 06:07	#17
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Nobby you're testing the same games I did and having pretty much the same results. Look at the Spreadsheet, I got all the way to Elfmania. If you can, test past that.

26 March 2016, 21:12	#19
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,360	protection screens can be passed with "return", i.e. yellow button by defaut with cd32load. There are a lot of red screens... Psygore said he fixed his routine but now I'm beginning to doubt it.

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