Gods with Kickstart 3.1

09 June 2013, 18:00

Hey Guys,

I recently upgraded my A1200 (68020) to kickstart 3.1. Now I can't play the game Gods.

I can load the game up to the start screen but when I try to start playing the game won't go beyond the "Loading Level 1" screen. It just stays there forever. I'm loading the game from floppies, btw.

I tried loading it using Relokick 1.3 but it's just the same.

Tried the same settings with WinUAE and the behaviour is the same, once again.

If I use kickstart 3.0 the game loads fine. I can't use Whdload because I ain't got enough RAM.

Please help, I'd really like to play this game...

lukassid · 09 June 2013, 20:16

Why do you need 3.1 kick if you havn't got ram to run WHDL?
If you upgrading you got to keep going otherwise keep machine in original spec I think. I can't think of anything else than ACA with maprom for you.

TjLaZer · 09 June 2013, 20:21

Kickstart 3.1 is not that different from Kickstart 3.0. Something else is wrong. Try a different ADF or use WHDLoad. (it's not like he went from Kickstart 1.3 to 3.1!)

Retro-Nerd · 09 June 2013, 20:24

Quote:

Soundtracker playback fixed. Drive accesses removed. Cache problem fixed. Bug not running with Kick3.1 fixed. Byte write to custom.aud1vol fixed. Highscores saving redirected to harddisk. Little trainer added, press HELP in the shop (but highscores wont be saved once used).

The WHDLoad version had problems with Kickstart 3.1 too, ages ago.

10 June 2013, 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukassid

Why do you need 3.1 kick if you havn't got ram to run WHDL?

I'm upgrading my machine. I'll get a memory upgrade really soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TjLaZer

Kickstart 3.1 is not that different from Kickstart 3.0. Something else is wrong. Try a different ADF or use WHDLoad. (it's not like he went from Kickstart 1.3 to 3.1!)

@TjLaZer, I've tried different adf's and whdload and couldn't get Gods to load like I did with 3.0.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The WHDLoad version had problems with Kickstart 3.1 too, ages ago.

I read that to, @Retro-Nerd, but it still has problems I guess.

Was any of you able to successfully load Gods with a 3.1 kickstart?

Sandro · 10 June 2013, 06:56

kickstart 3.1 is very buggy and lot of floppy games like Gods don't work on it
even kickstart 3,1 have all pcmcia bugs while Kickstart 3.0 is bugfree

it is always better to stay with Kickstart 3.0 on the A1200
in my case I returned to Kickstart 3.0 after I discovered tons of bugs, ( I sold the kick 3.1 romkit)

modrobert · 10 June 2013, 06:57

How about holding down both mouse buttons during power up of your A1200, then in the menu disable CPU cache, AGA settings, and select kick v1.3?

Maybe that's what you mean by "Relokick 1.3", not sure.

10 June 2013, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by modrobert

How about holding down both mouse buttons during power up of your A1200, then in the menu disable CPU cache, AGA settings, and select kick v1.3?

@modrobert, I just tried that (disabling the CPU cache and the AGA chip) but I still have the same problem... it sucks

modrobert · 10 June 2013, 14:06

Indeed, gods is a great game, but it was hard IIRC.

dlfrsilver · 10 June 2013, 14:17

kickstart 3.1 is not "buggy". Many games were not coded to run with it along side. Gods is a kickstart 1.3 game.

Djay · 10 June 2013, 14:37

I had this problem with an original copy of the game (i also tried cracked copies too) and kickstart 3.1 (Amiga Technologies)

but WHDLoad version worked fine (of course you'll need a HD for that)

11 June 2013, 14:23

I've tried running it from whdload but it crashes after the first screen.

TjLaZer · 13 June 2013, 05:24

Try PAL and nocache tool types

StingRay · 13 June 2013, 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

kickstart 3.1 is very buggy
while Kickstart 3.0 is bugfree

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

it is always better to stay with Kickstart 3.0 on the A1200

This too!

daxb · 13 June 2013, 13:46

Until you get your ram upgrade you could try Gods WHDLoad version with tooltype "ExpChip" what should use chipram then instead of other ram. Here it doesn`t work but it may for you.

emufan · 13 June 2013, 14:55

@MadHatt3r: you can try the hd-installer of gods by Jean-François Fabre - do you have a hd running, i guess?

you need lzx from aminet to uncompress the installer archive.
lha you will need too, from aminet.

and you need latest jst (v4.8) for using Fabre's patches.
readme of the gods installer says, it is running on kickstart 3.1 .
it also says:
To run the game on a A1200/NoFast computer, either boot without startup-sequence
and set HDLOAD option or set LOWMEM option.

Edit: readme also says: "This installer requires the Gods original disks (there are 2)."
what version is he refering to - which version does work with Fabre's installer, anyone?

answer: installation was successfully using the CAPS version - want more info on CAPS-image - msg me.
------

edit: i uploaded an installed version i made using winuae . look into the zone - join the zone-group,
then you see a new button "The Zone!" near the "logout" button.

download "Gods-JST-installed.lha" and extract elsewher on your hdd.
open a shell/cli and type:

lha x Gods-JST-installed.lha

ensure you have installed jst 4.8 as described above.

change the tooltype inforation of the GodsHD icon
( in workbench , select GodsHD icon -> workbench menu: icon->information )
SAVEDIR=s:
LOWMEM

the tooltype lines must look like above, without the brackets "()".

read the readme file for more instructions - just try

Edit: added SNX-GODS.LHA , another HD installation, just extract and start the game.

mai · 13 June 2013, 17:52

"Sanxion" HD-version works under KS3.1 too, its worth a try.
Looks good to me, you can even quit back to WB.

emufan · 13 June 2013, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mai

"Sanxion" HD-version works under KS3.1 too, its worth a try.
Looks good to me, you can even quit back to WB.

is there a hd-installer collection? i cannot find it. same goes for Universe "the sentinal" installer?
are they on the fileserver?

mai · 13 June 2013, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

is there a hd-installer collection? i cannot find it.

No, i do not own such specific collection.
This version is among my nonTOSEC collection.

emufan · 13 June 2013, 18:10

guess i found it: SNX-GODS.LHA , will test and upload an installed version to the zone.

edit:
added into the zone. extract SNX-GODS.LHA - switch on workbench menu option:
Window -> Show -> All Files ( folder "gods" in the archive has no icon, so you must switch the option, to see it ).

btw: snx installed version is on PGC disk #10 on fileserver folder: Commodore_Amiga/Collection/BBS/ .

10 June 2013, 06:57	#7
modrobert old bearded fool Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangkok Age: 56 Posts: 779	How about holding down both mouse buttons during power up of your A1200, then in the menu disable CPU cache, AGA settings, and select kick v1.3? Maybe that's what you mean by "Relokick 1.3", not sure. Last edited by modrobert; 10 June 2013 at 07:06.

13 June 2013, 14:55	#16
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	@MadHatt3r: you can try the hd-installer of gods by Jean-François Fabre - do you have a hd running, i guess? you need lzx from aminet to uncompress the installer archive. lha you will need too, from aminet. and you need latest jst (v4.8) for using Fabre's patches. readme of the gods installer says, it is running on kickstart 3.1 . it also says: To run the game on a A1200/NoFast computer, either boot without startup-sequence and set HDLOAD option or set LOWMEM option. Edit: readme also says: "This installer requires the Gods original disks (there are 2)." what version is he refering to - which version does work with Fabre's installer, anyone? answer: installation was successfully using the CAPS version - want more info on CAPS-image - msg me. ------ edit: i uploaded an installed version i made using winuae . look into the zone - join the zone-group, then you see a new button "The Zone!" near the "logout" button. download "Gods-JST-installed.lha" and extract elsewher on your hdd. open a shell/cli and type: lha x Gods-JST-installed.lha ensure you have installed jst 4.8 as described above. change the tooltype inforation of the GodsHD icon ( in workbench , select GodsHD icon -> workbench menu: icon->information ) SAVEDIR=s: LOWMEM the tooltype lines must look like above, without the brackets "()". read the readme file for more instructions - just try Edit: added SNX-GODS.LHA , another HD installation, just extract and start the game. Last edited by emufan; 13 June 2013 at 18:28.

13 June 2013, 18:10	#20
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	guess i found it: SNX-GODS.LHA , will test and upload an installed version to the zone. edit: added into the zone. extract SNX-GODS.LHA - switch on workbench menu option: Window -> Show -> All Files ( folder "gods" in the archive has no icon, so you must switch the option, to see it ). btw: snx installed version is on PGC disk #10 on fileserver folder: Commodore_Amiga/Collection/BBS/ . Last edited by emufan; 13 June 2013 at 18:32.

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09 June 2013, 18:00	#1
MadHatt3r Posts: n/a	Gods with Kickstart 3.1 Hey Guys, I recently upgraded my A1200 (68020) to kickstart 3.1. Now I can't play the game Gods. I can load the game up to the start screen but when I try to start playing the game won't go beyond the "Loading Level 1" screen. It just stays there forever. I'm loading the game from floppies, btw. I tried loading it using Relokick 1.3 but it's just the same. Tried the same settings with WinUAE and the behaviour is the same, once again. If I use kickstart 3.0 the game loads fine. I can't use Whdload because I ain't got enough RAM. Please help, I'd really like to play this game...

09 June 2013, 20:16	#2
lukassid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Surrey Posts: 390	Why do you need 3.1 kick if you havn't got ram to run WHDL? If you upgrading you got to keep going otherwise keep machine in original spec I think. I can't think of anything else than ACA with maprom for you.

09 June 2013, 20:21	#3
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,927	Kickstart 3.1 is not that different from Kickstart 3.0. Something else is wrong. Try a different ADF or use WHDLoad. (it's not like he went from Kickstart 1.3 to 3.1!)

10 June 2013, 06:56	#6
Sandro Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: spain Posts: 897	kickstart 3.1 is very buggy and lot of floppy games like Gods don't work on it even kickstart 3,1 have all pcmcia bugs while Kickstart 3.0 is bugfree it is always better to stay with Kickstart 3.0 on the A1200 in my case I returned to Kickstart 3.0 after I discovered tons of bugs, ( I sold the kick 3.1 romkit)

10 June 2013, 14:06	#9
modrobert old bearded fool Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangkok Age: 56 Posts: 779	Indeed, gods is a great game, but it was hard IIRC.

10 June 2013, 14:17	#10
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,507	kickstart 3.1 is not "buggy". Many games were not coded to run with it along side. Gods is a kickstart 1.3 game.

10 June 2013, 14:37	#11
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	I had this problem with an original copy of the game (i also tried cracked copies too) and kickstart 3.1 (Amiga Technologies) but WHDLoad version worked fine (of course you'll need a HD for that)

11 June 2013, 14:23	#12
MadHatt3r Posts: n/a	I've tried running it from whdload but it crashes after the first screen.

13 June 2013, 05:24	#13
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,927	Try PAL and nocache tool types

13 June 2013, 13:46	#15
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,307	Until you get your ram upgrade you could try Gods WHDLoad version with tooltype "ExpChip" what should use chipram then instead of other ram. Here it doesn`t work but it may for you.

13 June 2013, 17:52	#17
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	"Sanxion" HD-version works under KS3.1 too, its worth a try. Looks good to me, you can even quit back to WB.

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