Pinball Illusions AGA -crashing with WinUAE 2.3.0.

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 14:25

Hi guys.

As per topic title; Pinball Illusions worked absolutely fine, until I updated to WinUAE 2.3.0. The intro loads then game crashes and resets. Tried changing various configurations with no luck.

Anyone had some problem or can recommend configurations so I can re-play this classic game please?

Thanks in advance.

TCD · 15 October 2010, 14:28

ADF (CRC32), IPF, WHDLoad ?

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 14:41

ADF. Sorry. Would help if I provided that information in first place. The four adf files were downloaded from Planet Emulation.

TCD · 15 October 2010, 14:44

You can see the CRC32 of the disks when you open them with WinZip or WinRAR (maybe check the settings to display them). Please post them here and I'll have a look later.

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 14:55

They are:

Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 4) - CRC32: 14A926C1

Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 2 of 4) - CRC32: F6D9452F

Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 3 of 4) - CRC32: 8DD27F27

Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 4 of 4) - CRC32: 5CDC22F2

DH · 15 October 2010, 15:00

Works fine here

Using the A1200 Basic Non-Expanded Config

Disk 1 CRC 3F2CE662
Disk 2 CRC F6D9452F
Disk 3 CRC 8DD27F27
Disk 4 CRC 5CDC22F2

s2325 · 15 October 2010, 15:05

Maybe you should disconnect/connect virtual external floppy drive.

DH · 15 October 2010, 15:06

Seems to me disk 1 is the problem as it's the only one that is different, although your version is the one that's up on the file server, dunno where the hell I got my disk 1 from :s

EDIT: Just tried disk 1 from the file server, which is the same CRC and it works flawlessly, maybe your zip file is damaged?

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 15:25

Hmmm. Now over the years I've used WinUAE, I've always uncompressed the zip files. For some bizarre reason I've just tried Pinball Illusions again, this time, the zipped adf files, and it worked! Seems the latest version of WinUAE doesn't like the uncompressed file. Confused now lol.

btw, thank you for all your advice and help, guys.

DH · 15 October 2010, 15:36

This is very strange, I've just unzipped the File server version, and once again, it ran flawlessly.

Maybe it's because it was an old zip archive (.zip) (although that shouldn't make any difference) as we now use .7z for zipping the .adf's. Other than That, I have no idea :s

TCD · 15 October 2010, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by quahappy

Seems the latest version of WinUAE doesn't like the uncompressed file. Confused now lol.

Downloaded the four disks from Planetemu, extracted the ADFs, used the A1200 non-expanded quickstart with middle-compatibility setting and it worked. It 'hangs' on track 38 for several seconds (maybe 5-10). Please attach both logs (check 'Create log file' on the 'Miscellaneous' panel) for Toni.

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Downloaded the four disks from Planetemu, extracted the ADFs, used the A1200 non-expanded quickstart with middle-compatibility setting and it worked. It 'hangs' on track 38 for several seconds (maybe 5-10). Please attach both logs (check 'Create log file' on the 'Miscellaneous' panel) for Toni.

Ah. You've mentioned "middle-compatibility" settings. I've not tried this and never had to before with previous versions of WinUAE. Will report back and let you know what happens.

Toni Wilen · 15 October 2010, 17:44

Disk one and CRC32 missing. (I am not going to navigate some random site for downloads)

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 17:55

Log file attached. Hope that's all the information required to decipher this.

TCD · 15 October 2010, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Disk one and CRC32 missing. (I am not going to navigate some random site for downloads)

Quote:

Originally Posted by quahappy

They are:

Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 4) - CRC32: 14A926C1
...

The name in the latest TOSEC dat is :
Pinball Illusions v1.5 (1995-01-17)(21st Century)(AGA)(Disk 1 of 4)[cr PDX]

Toni Wilen · 15 October 2010, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by quahappy

Log file attached. Hope that's all the information required to decipher this.

Enable logging in misc panel first, winuaelog.txt is missing.

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 19:42

Oops. Sorry Toni. Both files attached.

I used to have the complete TOSEC collection but got mislaid when I moved. I'm in process of rebuilding my collection. However, I've recently found out about EAB file server so I really should be downloading the adf files from there instead of a third-party website which could be causing my problem.

I've also tried "middle-compatibility" settings (with unzipped adf files) and game still crashed.

In the meantime, I'm going to download Pinball Illusions from EAB file server and fingers crossed, shouldn't have any problem.

quahappy · 15 October 2010, 20:24

Update:

I've downloaded v1.5 from EAB file server. This time around, the intro played but the music was corrupted and then the game crashed. I altered a couple of settings;

Quickstart > Best compatibility
Quickstart > Emulated hardware - configuration: 4MB fast RAM expanded onfiguration*
Chipset > Options: Cycle-exact ticked

*Game crashed with Basic non-expanded configuration (received software error). This is something else I've never had to adjust with PI.

PI now fully working.

quahappy · 04 November 2010, 10:23

Hmm. PI is working but when in multi-ball mode, the ball images are corrupted - like scan-lines. I've done a search of EAB and noticed this has come up a couple of times. One suggestion was to untick "cycle exact" but made no difference.

Anyone know if this problem was fixed? Or just one of those things? The same issue was mentioned in this topic but remains unresolved.

Toni Wilen · 04 November 2010, 10:45

It is normal, that happens when showing interlaced display modes on non-interlaced screen. (It is not emulation specific, real Amiga + scandoubler + interlaced mode = same artifacts)

"Remove interlace artifacts" option (display panel) may help but it is only 100% compatible with WB modes. Games commonly use all kinds of tricks.

There is no solution that works with all programs. It is impossible.

15 October 2010, 14:25	#1
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	Pinball Illusions AGA -crashing with WinUAE 2.3.0. Hi guys. As per topic title; Pinball Illusions worked absolutely fine, until I updated to WinUAE 2.3.0. The intro loads then game crashes and resets. Tried changing various configurations with no luck. Anyone had some problem or can recommend configurations so I can re-play this classic game please? Thanks in advance.

15 October 2010, 15:00	#6
DH Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Might as well be WORK :( Age: 57 Posts: 4,110	Works fine here Using the A1200 Basic Non-Expanded Config Disk 1 CRC 3F2CE662 Disk 2 CRC F6D9452F Disk 3 CRC 8DD27F27 Disk 4 CRC 5CDC22F2 Last edited by DH; 15 October 2010 at 15:05.

15 October 2010, 15:06	#8
DH Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Might as well be WORK :( Age: 57 Posts: 4,110	Seems to me disk 1 is the problem as it's the only one that is different, although your version is the one that's up on the file server, dunno where the hell I got my disk 1 from :s EDIT: Just tried disk 1 from the file server, which is the same CRC and it works flawlessly, maybe your zip file is damaged? Last edited by DH; 15 October 2010 at 15:22.

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15 October 2010, 14:28	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,996	ADF (CRC32), IPF, WHDLoad ?

15 October 2010, 14:41	#3
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	ADF. Sorry. Would help if I provided that information in first place. The four adf files were downloaded from Planet Emulation.

15 October 2010, 14:44	#4
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,996	You can see the CRC32 of the disks when you open them with WinZip or WinRAR (maybe check the settings to display them). Please post them here and I'll have a look later.

15 October 2010, 14:55	#5
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	They are: Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 1 of 4) - CRC32: 14A926C1 Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 2 of 4) - CRC32: F6D9452F Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 3 of 4) - CRC32: 8DD27F27 Pinball Illusions (1995)(21st Century)(AGA)[cr PDX](Disk 4 of 4) - CRC32: 5CDC22F2

15 October 2010, 15:05	#7
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 44 Posts: 17,789	Maybe you should disconnect/connect virtual external floppy drive.

15 October 2010, 15:25	#9
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	Hmmm. Now over the years I've used WinUAE, I've always uncompressed the zip files. For some bizarre reason I've just tried Pinball Illusions again, this time, the zipped adf files, and it worked! Seems the latest version of WinUAE doesn't like the uncompressed file. Confused now lol. btw, thank you for all your advice and help, guys.

15 October 2010, 15:36	#10
DH Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Might as well be WORK :( Age: 57 Posts: 4,110	This is very strange, I've just unzipped the File server version, and once again, it ran flawlessly. Maybe it's because it was an old zip archive (.zip) (although that shouldn't make any difference) as we now use .7z for zipping the .adf's. Other than That, I have no idea :s

15 October 2010, 17:44	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,573	Disk one and CRC32 missing. (I am not going to navigate some random site for downloads)

15 October 2010, 20:24	#18
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	Update: I've downloaded v1.5 from EAB file server. This time around, the intro played but the music was corrupted and then the game crashed. I altered a couple of settings; Quickstart > Best compatibility Quickstart > Emulated hardware - configuration: 4MB fast RAM expanded onfiguration* Chipset > Options: Cycle-exact ticked *Game crashed with Basic non-expanded configuration (received software error). This is something else I've never had to adjust with PI. PI now fully working.

04 November 2010, 10:23	#19
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 56 Posts: 1,667	Hmm. PI is working but when in multi-ball mode, the ball images are corrupted - like scan-lines. I've done a search of EAB and noticed this has come up a couple of times. One suggestion was to untick "cycle exact" but made no difference. Anyone know if this problem was fixed? Or just one of those things? The same issue was mentioned in this topic but remains unresolved.

04 November 2010, 10:45	#20
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,573	It is normal, that happens when showing interlaced display modes on non-interlaced screen. (It is not emulation specific, real Amiga + scandoubler + interlaced mode = same artifacts) "Remove interlace artifacts" option (display panel) may help but it is only 100% compatible with WB modes. Games commonly use all kinds of tricks. There is no solution that works with all programs. It is impossible.

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