swap fat agnus with agnus

extralife · 22 July 2008, 17:33

Hey guys, not sure I posted this the right place, coz it's not really a problem, but more a question

Can I just swap the fat agnus from a newer a500 (not a500+) mainboard with the old agnus, or do I have to mod like crazy if I was to do this ?

BippyM · 22 July 2008, 18:59

Why would you want to?

extralife · 22 July 2008, 19:14

well mostly coz I have a couple of "newer" main boards with the fat agnus on, and one with the old agnus, but the one with the agnus had been modded with all kinds of weird stuff and I'm not too sure what that guy have stuffed on it and tinkered with.
allso I would rather have that old agnus in my 500 since I am going to use it for old demos and stuff, that won't run well on my a1200.

rkauer · 22 July 2008, 19:59

All Agnii are the same (software-wise speaking). No need to swap.

Older versions just lack some features and capacity to manage more memory.

But if you still want to downgrade your Amiga, tell us the Agnus you have in there and the motherboard revision for advice.

Toni Wilen · 22 July 2008, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

All Agnii are the same (software-wise speaking). No need to swap.

"If" program is not badly coded

(Double Dragon II first version, Eliminator, many demos..)

rkauer · 22 July 2008, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

"If" program is not badly coded

(Double Dragon II first version, Eliminator, many demos..)

Yeah, you have a valid point!

StingRay · 22 July 2008, 21:50

Damn, Toni beat me.

I was about to write exactly the same.

rkauer: check this thread and you'll know why extralife wants to have an old agnus in his A500

extralife · 22 July 2008, 22:13

yes that's why

Well all 3 mainboards I got is rev. 6a, but one of them looks a little different than the other 2 (thats the one with the old agnus), which is btw numbered 8371, mostly I was just wondering if the guy who owned it before could have changed something, coz its got 2 wires soldered on the mainboard that the other 2 boards haven't, also near the trapdoor there sits a print ontop of a chip turned upside down, is this normal ?? I can't post a picture, since i got no camera sorry

Oh I should allso note that an extra socket was mounted under the even cia and soldered to the board ?? this i took apart, coz im not interested in having all kinds of crap sticking out of my a500, specialy not when i had to butcher the of them just to get this one in good condition....allmost

rkauer · 22 July 2008, 22:22

Hmm...

For the description, I think you have a hacked A500 who have 512kb chip and 512kb fast RAM...

But I could be wrong...

coze · 22 July 2008, 22:31

extra socket under the CIA was probably for booting from df1.

you have to tell us exactly where the two wires are soldered for us to have an opinion. yesss my precioussssss

extralife · 22 July 2008, 23:37

yes coze I think u are right, one of the cases had alot of switches on the back, so that must have been it, also had a reset switch, if i remember correct... anyways one wire is soldered from just above the kickstart at one of the points where it says 1 and and jp2, and attached to where there are like 7 spots on a row, so if spot 1 says c33, then its soldered to the last spot ( did that make any sense at all lol)

the second wire is soldered from just below the paula on the top of the E106 thingie and goes to the print that is hanging upside down next to the trapdoor....

btw its not a ram expansion i think, coz it doesn't show up anywhere

maybe this board is just build a little different, I was mainly just wondering if it was possible to swap the agnuses without further soldering and stuff, thats all

Zetr0 · 23 July 2008, 01:19

@extralife

sounds cool, would you have any pics of the a500 hackery that we could see?

extralife · 23 July 2008, 15:35

sorry i have a correction to make, the wire from e106 thingie is ofcoz near the gary, not the paula, sorry my bad, guess I was getting a little tired last night.
zetro, as i said ealier I don't have a camera, sorry, it would have made things alot easier.
but the first question still stands, can I replace the agnuses or not ?? I mean does one require something hardware wise the other does not ? from what i saw in the first answer, then they are mainly identical, so i'm guessing I can just swap them........
Another question has come up and this one is infact a real problem

when i boot from some DD floppy's my miggy starts asking for the disk while its still in the drive or it says its corrupt even though its fine, whats going on ?? I read about the cia's in the sticky, but i don't think that is the problem, is my drive out of alignment ??, if so here comes the strange part, when i use pc HD floppy's, these problem's are allmost non existent ?? I say allmost, coz I probly need some more testing, but it seems to disappear when HD floppys are used, weird ??
I will try swapping floppy drives with my a1200 to see what is going on. but i have tried 2 500 floppy drives, both acting very weird......note I only tried the HD's in one of them though.

22 July 2008, 17:33	#1
extralife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 268	swap fat agnus with agnus Hey guys, not sure I posted this the right place, coz it's not really a problem, but more a question Can I just swap the fat agnus from a newer a500 (not a500+) mainboard with the old agnus, or do I have to mod like crazy if I was to do this ?

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22 July 2008, 18:59	#2
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Why would you want to?

22 July 2008, 19:14	#3
extralife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 268	well mostly coz I have a couple of "newer" main boards with the fat agnus on, and one with the old agnus, but the one with the agnus had been modded with all kinds of weird stuff and I'm not too sure what that guy have stuffed on it and tinkered with. allso I would rather have that old agnus in my 500 since I am going to use it for old demos and stuff, that won't run well on my a1200.

22 July 2008, 19:59	#4
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	All Agnii are the same (software-wise speaking). No need to swap. Older versions just lack some features and capacity to manage more memory. But if you still want to downgrade your Amiga, tell us the Agnus you have in there and the motherboard revision for advice.

22 July 2008, 21:50	#7
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Damn, Toni beat me. I was about to write exactly the same. rkauer: check this thread and you'll know why extralife wants to have an old agnus in his A500

22 July 2008, 22:13	#8
extralife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 268	yes that's why Well all 3 mainboards I got is rev. 6a, but one of them looks a little different than the other 2 (thats the one with the old agnus), which is btw numbered 8371, mostly I was just wondering if the guy who owned it before could have changed something, coz its got 2 wires soldered on the mainboard that the other 2 boards haven't, also near the trapdoor there sits a print ontop of a chip turned upside down, is this normal ?? I can't post a picture, since i got no camera sorry Oh I should allso note that an extra socket was mounted under the even cia and soldered to the board ?? this i took apart, coz im not interested in having all kinds of crap sticking out of my a500, specialy not when i had to butcher the of them just to get this one in good condition....allmost

22 July 2008, 22:22	#9
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Hmm... For the description, I think you have a hacked A500 who have 512kb chip and 512kb fast RAM... But I could be wrong...

22 July 2008, 22:31	#10
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	extra socket under the CIA was probably for booting from df1. you have to tell us exactly where the two wires are soldered for us to have an opinion. yesss my precioussssss

22 July 2008, 23:37	#11
extralife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 268	yes coze I think u are right, one of the cases had alot of switches on the back, so that must have been it, also had a reset switch, if i remember correct... anyways one wire is soldered from just above the kickstart at one of the points where it says 1 and and jp2, and attached to where there are like 7 spots on a row, so if spot 1 says c33, then its soldered to the last spot ( did that make any sense at all lol) the second wire is soldered from just below the paula on the top of the E106 thingie and goes to the print that is hanging upside down next to the trapdoor.... btw its not a ram expansion i think, coz it doesn't show up anywhere maybe this board is just build a little different, I was mainly just wondering if it was possible to swap the agnuses without further soldering and stuff, thats all

23 July 2008, 01:19	#12
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@extralife sounds cool, would you have any pics of the a500 hackery that we could see?

23 July 2008, 15:35	#13
extralife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 268	sorry i have a correction to make, the wire from e106 thingie is ofcoz near the gary, not the paula, sorry my bad, guess I was getting a little tired last night. zetro, as i said ealier I don't have a camera, sorry, it would have made things alot easier. but the first question still stands, can I replace the agnuses or not ?? I mean does one require something hardware wise the other does not ? from what i saw in the first answer, then they are mainly identical, so i'm guessing I can just swap them........ Another question has come up and this one is infact a real problem when i boot from some DD floppy's my miggy starts asking for the disk while its still in the drive or it says its corrupt even though its fine, whats going on ?? I read about the cia's in the sticky, but i don't think that is the problem, is my drive out of alignment ??, if so here comes the strange part, when i use pc HD floppy's, these problem's are allmost non existent ?? I say allmost, coz I probly need some more testing, but it seems to disappear when HD floppys are used, weird ?? I will try swapping floppy drives with my a1200 to see what is going on. but i have tried 2 500 floppy drives, both acting very weird......note I only tried the HD's in one of them though.

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