EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Rules Discussion

Graham Humphrey · 21 September 2007, 00:05

Okay, it's been a while coming but we've (me Biscuit and mihcael) been discussing the rules for the Super League, and here's what we've come up with. This was painstakingly typed up by Biscuit on LA and I've just copied and pasted it...

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This is the first draft of potential rules for the new Super League. All three moderators have agreed it's a sound plan. It's quite different to what we're used to. There's a mix of rules from Lemon, EAB and lots of new stuff. So have a good read through and say what you think.

The idea is to give us a big year long season, which has a few breaks to avoid burning out, and offers short term goals for new players.

It's a little long, and hopefully I've managed to make it all clear, but if not ask away.

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Super League Structure
The Super League consists of twelve rounds played across the year in three separate legs.

(2 weeks voting)
Leg 1 = Rounds 1-4 (12 weeks play)
(3 weeks break)
(2 weeks voting)
Leg 2 = Rounds 5-8 (12 weeks play)
(3 weeks break)
(2 weeks voting)
Leg 3 = Rounds 9-12 (12 weeks play)
(4 weeks break)

Each Leg consists of four rounds, one of which is a special round containing two games. Each round lasts for 3 weeks, starting on a Sunday. The round officially starts at 00:01 GMT on the Sunday, and end at 11:59 GMT on the Saturday three weeks later. A thread will appear later in the day to reflect this (obviously we can't all hang around stopping and starting threads on the dot of midnight). Rounds are played back to back with voting taking place alongside in a separate thread.

So that's 5 games, in 4 rounds, played over 12 weeks. x 3.

The first leg begins with two weeks of voting to decide what will be played in round one. After that it's continuous play with simultaneous voting. At the end of the first leg the player with the most points is declared winner, and as a prize given double voting power for the entire second leg. At this point the season breaks for three weeks, then resumes with two weeks voting for the first round of the second leg. Championship points are carried over, but points received during the second leg are kept on a separate tally; so that a second leg winner can be named and receive their prize for the third leg. Again we break for three weeks and repeat the process for the final third leg. At the end of this a winner for the third leg will be named and given double voting power for the first leg of next season. Also a Champion for the whole year, and the winning website are crowned, and showered in glory and jealousy.

The gap between seasons will be four weeks over the New Year period. That's the maths of it.

Voting
Each new Leg will begin with a voting thread for the next round. After this, the voting threads for the next round will be started on the same day as the current round. Voting lasts for two weeks.

Voting is as usual - vote for 5 games.

As a bonus, the winner of the previous leg has double voting power for that leg. (1 = 10 points, 2 = 8 points etc). Note, that when the season changes it is still the winner of the previous leg that gets double voting power, and not the winner of the season. They already get to be smug enough.

The game with the most votes will be played. In the event of a tie the game with the most 5 point votes will win. If it is still tied then the most 4 point votes is looked at and so on.

The rules for voting differ slightly during special rounds. See that section for details.
Once a game has been played it cannot be voted for again.

The Ban List
Some games are just problematic. Either bugs or unmanageable score leeching opportunities have forced us to cruelly ban certain games as follows:

Agony: Infinite score leeching on first level boss.
Bubble Dizzy: Extra lives regenerate when player dies, meaning players can build up scores forever.
Franko: Only a maximum score of 175 which is extremely easy to achieve.
Lotus 2: Different scoring systems for different versions (eg the WHDLoad version has the scores halved for some reason).
Pinball Fantasies (Stones 'n' Bones): table bugged - i.e. random crashing, infinite balls, messed up scores.
Rodland: Infinite score leeching on all the bosses can easily be used to fake the maximum available score.

*We don't like banning games and will avoid it as much as possible. Past experience has shown the trouble some games can bring. Each game is carefully considered before adding it to the list.

Special Rounds
In each leg there will be one special round, in which two games will be played from a narrower list of voting options.

Leg 1 = Round 3
Leg 2 = Round 7
Leg 3 = Round 11

Special Round 3: PD Games
When voting you can only choose games that are listed as either Public Domain, Freeware, Shareware, Coverdisk full games, or even hidden games. Basically anything considered non-commercial. The two games with the most votes will be played.

If you are in doubt about a games status, ask in the thread before you vote, or contact a Moderator. It will be sorted out before the end of voting.

Special Round 7: Sequels
For each voting choice you must pick a game and one of it's sequels. In a series of three games or more you can choose any game you want, you don't have to choose the original if you don't want to. The series with the most votes wins and both games are played. In the event that a series with more than two games wins, and some have voted for 1&2, whilst others have voted for 2&3, the votes for each individual game will be added up and the two with the most votes played. The rejected game(s) will still be eligible for a future round.

Special Round 11: ?Undecided
Provisionally a second round of PD games. Any better ideas are up for discussion.

*In a special round there are two sets of championship points available. One for each game. With the special round being the penultimate round in each leg, it's more likely there will be a big shake up on the leader board with only one round to go.

Scoring
For each game played championship points will be given to the top 12 scorers.

1st = 15 pts
2nd = 12 pts
3rd = 10 pts
4th = 9 pts
5th = 8 pts
6th = 7 pts
7th = 6 pts
8th = 5 pts
9th = 4 pts
10th = 3 pts
11th = 2 pts
12th = 1pts
Lower = 0 pts

Lemon vs EAB
For each game played the points of the players from each site will be averaged. The highest average score will be declared winner of that game and a point given. The site with the most points at the end of the year is declared the champion (best of 15 games).

Additional Rules
Pinball Games: All tables will be played during a single round.
No score leeching, cheating etc.

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Equivalent Lemon Amiga thread: http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4273

Feedback/suggestions etc. welcome!

ppill · 21 September 2007, 00:22

Quote:

Special Round 11: ?Undecided
Provisionally a second round of PD games. Any better ideas are up for discussion.

I always find that too little logical/puzzle games are included in the voting rounds. There are plenty of great brain teasers on the miggy. Why not make a puzzle/logical games only round?

Graham Humphrey · 21 September 2007, 00:30

Awesome! I'll run it by the other guys and see what they think...

Graham Humphrey · 21 September 2007, 10:10

By the way, if anyone else has got any ideas for a special round, do say...

22 September 2007, 06:21

Quote:

a second leg winner can be named and receive their prize for the third leg.

did somebody say prize..?? heheheh

it's looking great, cheers for the top work you guys

the special rounds are a cool idea. Here's some ideas:
-Ancient Relic round.. games released pre 87..
-o round.. Terror Liner, Party Games etc.. lol

-Special pinball round.. A pinball game is chosen and ALL the tables in that game are played. Scores for all tables are added together for a winning total

Graham Humphrey · 22 September 2007, 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by VermillioN

the special rounds are a cool idea. Here's some ideas:
-Ancient Relic round.. games released pre 87..

Intriguing

Quote:

-o round.. Terror Liner, Party Games etc.. lol

Hmm, I think I'll pass on that one

Quote:

-Special pinball round.. A pinball game is chosen and ALL the tables in that game are played. Scores for all tables are added together for a winning total

Actually this is what we're doing with pinball games now anyway so there's no need for a special round for this.

Thanks for the input

Biscuit · 22 September 2007, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by VermillioN

-o round.. Terror Liner, Party Games etc.. lol

I tried to convince Graham to make it a Strip Poker round where we all had to send in photographic evidence that we played properly. He wasn't very pleased.

Graham Humphrey · 22 September 2007, 15:05

I knew you were going to bring that one up

Biscuit · 22 September 2007, 15:13

They might out vote you yet!!!

Graham Humphrey · 22 September 2007, 15:15

Don't encourage them please

23 September 2007, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biscuit

I tried to convince Graham to make it a Strip Poker round where we all had to send in photographic evidence that we played properly. He wasn't very pleased.

hahaha

Well if there were more female competitors I'd prolly start a protest

girv · 24 September 2007, 02:10

For the special rounds, how about voting on games from a particular developer, or ones that starts with a particular letter of the alphabet?

Graham Humphrey · 24 September 2007, 09:20

Thanks girv, that's four ideas we've got for the remaining special round now. You lot are more creative than we are

CHook/OTT · 24 September 2007, 19:57

RE: Game voting.

Would it be too much work to make the winning game blind via a poll?

At the moment you can work out the next game easy enough if you are that bothered by viewing the thread.

My idea would be for everyone wishing to participate to nominate 5 games as it is currently then all games brought up then go to a (hidden) poll (then if it's possible) you vote with a 1-5 preference/rating but you AREN'T allowed to vote for any of the games you nominate. No-one will know what the game will be until the start date and chances of it being one you like/are good at might be slim.

Opinions???

Graham Humphrey · 24 September 2007, 20:24

That's an interesting idea for sure and there is a lot of merit to it, but I'm not sure how practical it would be to implement, it would be more complicated then it is now. However I would be interested to hear what other people make of this. Do tell...

Thanks for that suggestion, given me something to think about

(Oh, and about the whole "working out what game is winning by looking at the thread" thing - that's very true but we had one incident in round 3 (I think) where two people were adding up the scores, both came to different conclusions but were both wrong anyway!)

Graham Humphrey · 30 September 2007, 23:27

So, any other ideas/comments? Are we happy with these rules?

Graham Humphrey · 04 October 2007, 23:53

Small update - we've decided on girv's idea of a special round where only games beginning with a certain letter can be voted for. The winner of Round 9 will get to choose what letter they want (a letter can only ever be chosen once). Games beginning with "The" are not considered to be beginning with "T" (e.g. The Great Giana Sisters begins with "G").

girv · 04 October 2007, 23:57

Woo-hoo !

Biscuit · 05 October 2007, 00:58

Cheers for the suggestions everyone. Exactly what we needed.

turrican3 · 05 October 2007, 01:05

great idea graham

21 September 2007, 00:05	#1
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League Rules Discussion Okay, it's been a while coming but we've (me Biscuit and mihcael) been discussing the rules for the Super League, and here's what we've come up with. This was painstakingly typed up by Biscuit on LA and I've just copied and pasted it... ----------------- This is the first draft of potential rules for the new Super League. All three moderators have agreed it's a sound plan. It's quite different to what we're used to. There's a mix of rules from Lemon, EAB and lots of new stuff. So have a good read through and say what you think. The idea is to give us a big year long season, which has a few breaks to avoid burning out, and offers short term goals for new players. It's a little long, and hopefully I've managed to make it all clear, but if not ask away. **** Super League Structure The Super League consists of twelve rounds played across the year in three separate legs. (2 weeks voting) Leg 1 = Rounds 1-4 (12 weeks play) (3 weeks break) (2 weeks voting) Leg 2 = Rounds 5-8 (12 weeks play) (3 weeks break) (2 weeks voting) Leg 3 = Rounds 9-12 (12 weeks play) (4 weeks break) Each Leg consists of four rounds, one of which is a special round containing two games. Each round lasts for 3 weeks, starting on a Sunday. The round officially starts at 00:01 GMT on the Sunday, and end at 11:59 GMT on the Saturday three weeks later. A thread will appear later in the day to reflect this (obviously we can't all hang around stopping and starting threads on the dot of midnight). Rounds are played back to back with voting taking place alongside in a separate thread. So that's 5 games, in 4 rounds, played over 12 weeks. x 3. The first leg begins with two weeks of voting to decide what will be played in round one. After that it's continuous play with simultaneous voting. At the end of the first leg the player with the most points is declared winner, and as a prize given double voting power for the entire second leg. At this point the season breaks for three weeks, then resumes with two weeks voting for the first round of the second leg. Championship points are carried over, but points received during the second leg are kept on a separate tally; so that a second leg winner can be named and receive their prize for the third leg. Again we break for three weeks and repeat the process for the final third leg. At the end of this a winner for the third leg will be named and given double voting power for the first leg of next season. Also a Champion for the whole year, and the winning website are crowned, and showered in glory and jealousy. The gap between seasons will be four weeks over the New Year period. That's the maths of it. Voting** Each new Leg will begin with a voting thread for the next round. After this, the voting threads for the next round will be started on the same day as the current round. Voting lasts for two weeks. Voting is as usual - vote for 5 games. As a bonus, the winner of the previous leg has double voting power for that leg. (1 = 10 points, 2 = 8 points etc). Note, that when the season changes it is still the winner of the previous leg that gets double voting power, and not the winner of the season. They already get to be smug enough. The game with the most votes will be played. In the event of a tie the game with the most 5 point votes will win. If it is still tied then the most 4 point votes is looked at and so on. The rules for voting differ slightly during special rounds. See that section for details. Once a game has been played it cannot be voted for again. The Ban List Some games are just problematic. Either bugs or unmanageable score leeching opportunities have forced us to cruelly ban certain games as follows: Agony: Infinite score leeching on first level boss. Bubble Dizzy: Extra lives regenerate when player dies, meaning players can build up scores forever. Franko: Only a maximum score of 175 which is extremely easy to achieve. Lotus 2: Different scoring systems for different versions (eg the WHDLoad version has the scores halved for some reason). Pinball Fantasies (Stones 'n' Bones): table bugged - i.e. random crashing, infinite balls, messed up scores. Rodland: Infinite score leeching on all the bosses can easily be used to fake the maximum available score. We don't like banning games and will avoid it as much as possible. Past experience has shown the trouble some games can bring. Each game is carefully considered before adding it to the list. Special Rounds* In each leg there will be one special round, in which two games will be played from a narrower list of voting options. Leg 1 = Round 3 Leg 2 = Round 7 Leg 3 = Round 11 Special Round 3: PD Games When voting you can only choose games that are listed as either Public Domain, Freeware, Shareware, Coverdisk full games, or even hidden games. Basically anything considered non-commercial. The two games with the most votes will be played. If you are in doubt about a games status, ask in the thread before you vote, or contact a Moderator. It will be sorted out before the end of voting. Special Round 7: Sequels For each voting choice you must pick a game and one of it's sequels. In a series of three games or more you can choose any game you want, you don't have to choose the original if you don't want to. The series with the most votes wins and both games are played. In the event that a series with more than two games wins, and some have voted for 1&2, whilst others have voted for 2&3, the votes for each individual game will be added up and the two with the most votes played. The rejected game(s) will still be eligible for a future round. Special Round 11: ?Undecided Provisionally a second round of PD games. Any better ideas are up for discussion. In a special round there are two sets of championship points available. One for each game. With the special round being the penultimate round in each leg, it's more likely there will be a big shake up on the leader board with only one round to go. Scoring* For each game played championship points will be given to the top 12 scorers. 1st = 15 pts 2nd = 12 pts 3rd = 10 pts 4th = 9 pts 5th = 8 pts 6th = 7 pts 7th = 6 pts 8th = 5 pts 9th = 4 pts 10th = 3 pts 11th = 2 pts 12th = 1pts Lower = 0 pts Lemon vs EAB For each game played the points of the players from each site will be averaged. The highest average score will be declared winner of that game and a point given. The site with the most points at the end of the year is declared the champion (best of 15 games). Additional Rules Pinball Games: All tables will be played during a single round. No score leeching, cheating etc. ----------------- Equivalent Lemon Amiga thread: http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4273 Feedback/suggestions etc. welcome! Last edited by Graham Humphrey; 21 September 2007 at 00:14.

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21 September 2007, 00:30	#3
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	Awesome! I'll run it by the other guys and see what they think...

21 September 2007, 10:10	#4
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	By the way, if anyone else has got any ideas for a special round, do say...

22 September 2007, 15:05	#8
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	I knew you were going to bring that one up

22 September 2007, 15:13	#9
Biscuit Baked Produce Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Age: 43 Posts: 1,197	They might out vote you yet!!!

22 September 2007, 15:15	#10
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	Don't encourage them please

24 September 2007, 02:10	#12
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	For the special rounds, how about voting on games from a particular developer, or ones that starts with a particular letter of the alphabet?

24 September 2007, 09:20	#13
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	Thanks girv, that's four ideas we've got for the remaining special round now. You lot are more creative than we are

24 September 2007, 19:57	#14
CHook/OTT Super Hang-On King Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester Age: 48 Posts: 364	RE: Game voting. Would it be too much work to make the winning game blind via a poll? At the moment you can work out the next game easy enough if you are that bothered by viewing the thread. My idea would be for everyone wishing to participate to nominate 5 games as it is currently then all games brought up then go to a (hidden) poll (then if it's possible) you vote with a 1-5 preference/rating but you AREN'T allowed to vote for any of the games you nominate. No-one will know what the game will be until the start date and chances of it being one you like/are good at might be slim. Opinions???

24 September 2007, 20:24	#15
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	That's an interesting idea for sure and there is a lot of merit to it, but I'm not sure how practical it would be to implement, it would be more complicated then it is now. However I would be interested to hear what other people make of this. Do tell... Thanks for that suggestion, given me something to think about (Oh, and about the whole "working out what game is winning by looking at the thread" thing - that's very true but we had one incident in round 3 (I think) where two people were adding up the scores, both came to different conclusions but were both wrong anyway!)

30 September 2007, 23:27	#16
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	So, any other ideas/comments? Are we happy with these rules?

04 October 2007, 23:53	#17
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	Small update - we've decided on girv's idea of a special round where only games beginning with a certain letter can be voted for. The winner of Round 9 will get to choose what letter they want (a letter can only ever be chosen once). Games beginning with "The" are not considered to be beginning with "T" (e.g. The Great Giana Sisters begins with "G").

04 October 2007, 23:57	#18
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	Woo-hoo !

05 October 2007, 00:58	#19
Biscuit Baked Produce Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Age: 43 Posts: 1,197	Cheers for the suggestions everyone. Exactly what we needed.

05 October 2007, 01:05	#20
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	great idea graham

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