Magazine coverdisks?

Galaxy · 07 April 2007, 23:40

Is there any interested in converting coverdisks?

I have lots, and most are going to be DOS so should be easy to convert? or at least easy to tell if they are unmodified?

Codetapper · 07 April 2007, 23:43

I agree! If Amiga disks are really going to die due to bitrot, then SPS should be obtaining dumps of all coverdisks ASAP!

I would guess about 95% of disks would be normal AmigaDos format so that is a tonne of disks that could be preserved without any extra formats being required! How about it SPS lads?

IFW · 08 April 2007, 00:07

There have been talks of this and we said we would, but haven't received any dumps afterwards.

Still, real games have priority, but yes coverdisks are fine.

Mad-Matt · 08 April 2007, 01:16

You need to spread the word and update the website and show that sps isnt as dead as it looks. Issue the call and the dumps will come !

for SPARTA !!!!

IFW · 08 April 2007, 01:32

sps isn't dead at all.
Website updates are

killergorilla · 08 April 2007, 03:30

Well surely there must be some kind of way of employing someone else to help?

It's really quite annoying having such a great project have such a poor turn around in having information supplied to us.

If you are so keen on having people contribute then maybe someone could help advertise the fact. It has been seemingly dead for a while now. Yes there were more files released but there wasn't even a news item about it.

Zetr0 · 08 April 2007, 03:39

lets not forget the CDROMS, there must be away to preserve the data there too... scratches are more frequent than magnetic polar fluctuation's!

okay.... you got me.... i juat wanna see these hosted with AMR as well.....

killergorilla · 08 April 2007, 03:42

Well it's easier for us lot to preserve the CDs. The floppy's actually have copy protection, CD32/CDTV/AmigaCD games never did.

The TOSEC CD project creates awesome copiess, with 100% WAV files from the audio.

IFW · 08 April 2007, 05:59

Quick stats, games released last year: 2601-2766

That is 166 games, many of them are on multiple disks.
It's about one game per every second day.

It'd really like to see a project with more. Especially from such a small active community that is not mainstream.

Yes, this is not comparable to 400 games in a few weeks during the first year but those times are over; loads of things that we need now are uncommon - if they weren't they'd have been preserved already.

If the community started an effort to find and dump all undumped games (like the arcade community does, like snes community does, like mgd collectors do etc) we could release the rest. This however is not something that is achievable without support.

Galaxy · 08 April 2007, 06:13

Yeah plenty of people who want everything, but aren't prepared to contribute in any way.

The SPS team does a fine job and most of us appreciate the effort you guys put in.

IFW · 08 April 2007, 07:56

btw: check the logs Galaxy - and discuss everything with CT, I am getting a bit tired after 7 hours of typing

killergorilla · 08 April 2007, 12:17

I know SPS has done a hell of a lot and I consider SPS and WHDLoad two of the best Amiga projects going. I've contributed a lot to SPS over the years and I'm very grateful to everyone else who has too, as without them the project would be dead.

I was just suggesting that maybe someone could be employed (not as in paid) to at least update the news page and update the xml files on the site? I'm not expecting a news item every couple of days but there was quite a release recently but we were never told about it.

Also, is there anyway of knowing which games have had successful dumps but have unsupported disk formats? That'd help us narrow down which games still need dumping.

Galaxy · 08 April 2007, 12:49

I wasn't having a go at you KG - you do plenty for the Amiga community (much more than most), but rather replying to IFWs post.

killergorilla · 08 April 2007, 12:51

Just wanted to make sure there was no bad feeling

anyway... this was about coverdisks... hopefully AMR will now let us whittle out which disks are actually protected so we can go about getting them submitted to SPS sooner rather than later.

Mad-Matt · 08 April 2007, 13:20

I have the protected CU amiga primal rage demo and amiga format Uridium2 demo disks at hand when the time comes

also the amiga acton quick the thunder rabbit.

Galaxy · 08 April 2007, 14:24

Yeah I have the CU and AF disks too (not Quik though)

MethodGit · 09 April 2007, 04:39

I hope someone still has coverdisks from The One like Cannon Fodder, Uridium 2 and Trex Warrior as they really need to be preserved!

And let's not forget AP13's Sensible disk....

Calgor · 09 April 2007, 05:32

Guys, is there some list which says:
1. Everything that has already been dumped (SPS has games, nothing for coverdisks on SPS?)
2. Things that have not been dumped, but already have the disks waiting to be dumped (tho dumping all disks may find different versions)
3. Things which are known to be missing (could be obtained from points 1 and 2 above, but a list would give indication of completeness even tho u can never be sure of all u r missing, and can help with searching)

I know that someone would need to spend the time to maintain the above.

And as for dumping coverdisks, what program should we use? (I know that SPS has a specific tool, but if it is not protected, do we still use that tool for ultimate accuracy and consistency?)

alexh · 09 April 2007, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

I hope someone still has coverdisks from The One like Cannon Fodder, Uridium 2 and Trex Warrior as they really need to be preserved!

And let's not forget AP13's Sensible disk....

Dont forget Atomix from "The One for Amiga games" issue 34

Galaxy · 09 April 2007, 10:34

Atomix from the One was already submitted to SPS a while back - I think it was the same as retail version.

07 April 2007, 23:40	#1
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 1,417	Magazine coverdisks? Is there any interested in converting coverdisks? I have lots, and most are going to be DOS so should be easy to convert? or at least easy to tell if they are unmodified?

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07 April 2007, 23:43	#2
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	I agree! If Amiga disks are really going to die due to bitrot, then SPS should be obtaining dumps of all coverdisks ASAP! I would guess about 95% of disks would be normal AmigaDos format so that is a tonne of disks that could be preserved without any extra formats being required! How about it SPS lads?

08 April 2007, 00:07	#3
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	There have been talks of this and we said we would, but haven't received any dumps afterwards. Still, real games have priority, but yes coverdisks are fine.

08 April 2007, 01:16	#4
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,853	You need to spread the word and update the website and show that sps isnt as dead as it looks. Issue the call and the dumps will come ! for SPARTA !!!!

08 April 2007, 01:32	#5
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	sps isn't dead at all. Website updates are

08 April 2007, 03:30	#6
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Well surely there must be some kind of way of employing someone else to help? It's really quite annoying having such a great project have such a poor turn around in having information supplied to us. If you are so keen on having people contribute then maybe someone could help advertise the fact. It has been seemingly dead for a while now. Yes there were more files released but there wasn't even a news item about it.

08 April 2007, 03:39	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	lets not forget the CDROMS, there must be away to preserve the data there too... scratches are more frequent than magnetic polar fluctuation's! okay.... you got me.... i juat wanna see these hosted with AMR as well.....

08 April 2007, 03:42	#8
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Well it's easier for us lot to preserve the CDs. The floppy's actually have copy protection, CD32/CDTV/AmigaCD games never did. The TOSEC CD project creates awesome copiess, with 100% WAV files from the audio.

08 April 2007, 05:59	#9
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Quick stats, games released last year: 2601-2766 That is 166 games, many of them are on multiple disks. It's about one game per every second day. It'd really like to see a project with more. Especially from such a small active community that is not mainstream. Yes, this is not comparable to 400 games in a few weeks during the first year but those times are over; loads of things that we need now are uncommon - if they weren't they'd have been preserved already. If the community started an effort to find and dump all undumped games (like the arcade community does, like snes community does, like mgd collectors do etc) we could release the rest. This however is not something that is achievable without support.

08 April 2007, 06:13	#10
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 1,417	Yeah plenty of people who want everything, but aren't prepared to contribute in any way. The SPS team does a fine job and most of us appreciate the effort you guys put in.

08 April 2007, 07:56	#11
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	btw: check the logs Galaxy - and discuss everything with CT, I am getting a bit tired after 7 hours of typing

08 April 2007, 12:17	#12
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I know SPS has done a hell of a lot and I consider SPS and WHDLoad two of the best Amiga projects going. I've contributed a lot to SPS over the years and I'm very grateful to everyone else who has too, as without them the project would be dead. I was just suggesting that maybe someone could be employed (not as in paid) to at least update the news page and update the xml files on the site? I'm not expecting a news item every couple of days but there was quite a release recently but we were never told about it. Also, is there anyway of knowing which games have had successful dumps but have unsupported disk formats? That'd help us narrow down which games still need dumping.

08 April 2007, 12:49	#13
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 1,417	I wasn't having a go at you KG - you do plenty for the Amiga community (much more than most), but rather replying to IFWs post.

08 April 2007, 12:51	#14
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Just wanted to make sure there was no bad feeling anyway... this was about coverdisks... hopefully AMR will now let us whittle out which disks are actually protected so we can go about getting them submitted to SPS sooner rather than later.

08 April 2007, 13:20	#15
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,853	I have the protected CU amiga primal rage demo and amiga format Uridium2 demo disks at hand when the time comes also the amiga acton quick the thunder rabbit.

08 April 2007, 14:24	#16
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 1,417	Yeah I have the CU and AF disks too (not Quik though)

09 April 2007, 04:39	#17
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	I hope someone still has coverdisks from The One like Cannon Fodder, Uridium 2 and Trex Warrior as they really need to be preserved! And let's not forget AP13's Sensible disk....

09 April 2007, 05:32	#18
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	Guys, is there some list which says: 1. Everything that has already been dumped (SPS has games, nothing for coverdisks on SPS?) 2. Things that have not been dumped, but already have the disks waiting to be dumped (tho dumping all disks may find different versions) 3. Things which are known to be missing (could be obtained from points 1 and 2 above, but a list would give indication of completeness even tho u can never be sure of all u r missing, and can help with searching) I know that someone would need to spend the time to maintain the above. And as for dumping coverdisks, what program should we use? (I know that SPS has a specific tool, but if it is not protected, do we still use that tool for ultimate accuracy and consistency?)

09 April 2007, 10:34	#20
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 1,417	Atomix from the One was already submitted to SPS a while back - I think it was the same as retail version.

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