AmiQuake new 68k Quake Port for AGA/RTG

[str0m]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

What is the fastest 68K quake version that has support for extended map size etc..?
While vanilla quake is nice for nostalgia most new maps produced by the community for the last 15 years or so really require a pimped up engine as opposed to the vanilla engine.

So ok, tweaking the fps on the Amiga for historical/nostalgical purposes is a thing, but wouldn't it be nice if you could play something else than timedemo ;-)

Btw @Str0m, this is another fella that likes to hurt himself ;-)
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(Quake on a 386)

That was way quicker than my 030 50mhz CD32. Definitely playable on that 386!!

[James]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

What is the fastest 68K quake version that has support for extended map size etc..?

Cowcat's blitzquake engine requires 3D hardware that most still don't have, apart from that I only know of the experimental Quakefpcoord that came with Qbreed, and I'm not sure that works at all.

http://aminet.net/package/game/data/Qbreed

Originally Posted by eXeler0

While vanilla quake is nice for nostalgia most new maps produced by the community for the last 15 years or so really require a pimped up engine as opposed to the vanilla engine.

That is only really true of more recent years, you would be surprised how many newer maps and mods still run on vanilla. Larger maps are also more demanding so until the Vampire gets 3D support it's not really possible outside of emulation, or the lucky few that can use a Voodoo3.

Originally Posted by eXeler0

So ok, tweaking the fps on the Amiga for historical/nostalgical purposes is a thing, but wouldn't it be nice if you could play something else than timedemo ;-)

Hopefully this will change when I finally release my Quake collection.
Coming soon!

[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by James

Cowcat's blitzquake engine requires 3D hardware that most still don't have, apart from that I only know of the experimental Quakefpcoord that came with Qbreed, and I'm not sure that works at all.

http://aminet.net/package/game/data/Qbreed



That is only really true of more recent years, you would be surprised how many newer maps and mods still run on vanilla. Larger maps are also more demanding so until the Vampire gets 3D support it's not really possible outside of emulation, or the lucky few that can use a Voodoo3.



Hopefully this will change when I finally release my Quake collection.
Coming soon!

Don't wanna hijack this AmiQuake thread - and I love AmiQUake for what it is . kudos to Novacoder for his work.. really!
...but yea, Cowcat was actually very helpful by testing my maps on his engine.
One of my small testmaps worked but the bigger maps I've released DEFINITELY don't run. (Download here if you're curious)
https://www.exretro.com/downloads/qmaps/qmaps_dl.html

But its not due to some fancy OpenGL features or other blending tricks.. Its mostly due to map size and number of brushes/objects etc. There are some early Quake engines that removed mostly those limits, but not necessarily adding moderns stuff that would require 3d accelerators.
Tbh it would probably be easier to optimize a Quake2 port and Novacoder actually proved its possible, but really, right now it really limits the userbase to those with highly overclocked 060s. (~100MHz) Luckily, if the Warp 1260 picks up and we get a larger user base of 100MHz 060 ppl AND RTG then Q2 could be the way to go forward for more complex maps.

[VladR]

Originally Posted by str0m

That was way quicker than my 030 50mhz CD32. Definitely playable on that 386!!

Sarcasm aside, the 386 DX40 can absolutely do much better than that. Easily 150-300% better framerate, assuming the nonsensical FPU code would be ported to Integer (and single pipe). Abrash himself confessed FP is expensive, and was chosen mostly to save money by not having to mess with fixed-point math, because "hey, why bother if it's there?".

I find it criminally offensive that iD didn't hire some random dude off the street 3 months before the end of the project to port the most critical parts of the pipeline to hand-optimized Integer single-pipeline codepath.

It wouldn't take him more than 6 months, for sure. Just imagine the heaps of cash they were swimming in.

Even if they were cheap, there is no scenario where they would approach the publisher and say -"look, we wanna go play with next-gen tech, but if you hire some dude for 3-6 months, you will get more sales from 486 segment" with the said publisher saying "nah, not worth the $30k".


Not to mention that everybody and their cat was fluent in ASM those days. You could literally go to a supermarket, pick random dude from the crowd and he could do it.

Just

[abu_the_monkey]

Originally Posted by James

Cowcat's blitzquake engine requires 3D hardware that most still don't have, apart from that I only know of the experimental Quakefpcoord that came with Qbreed, and I'm not sure that works at all.

http://aminet.net/package/game/data/Qbreed



That is only really true of more recent years, you would be surprised how many newer maps and mods still run on vanilla. Larger maps are also more demanding so until the Vampire gets 3D support it's not really possible outside of emulation, or the lucky few that can use a Voodoo3.



Hopefully this will change when I finally release my Quake collection.
Coming soon!

With regards to the experimental Quakefpcoord included with Qbreed on Aminet, I had exactly ZERO feedback as to if it worked for anyone other than me, on my setup at the time. it should allow for a larger map in terms of play area, but, it does not improve on the amount of stuff (brushes/entities) that the original could handle.

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[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

With regards to the experimental Quakefpcoord included with Qbreed on Aminet, I had exactly ZERO feedback as to if it worked for anyone other than me, on my setup at the time. it should allow for a larger map in terms of play area, but, it does not improve on the amount of stuff (brushes/entities) that the original could handle.

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Howdy @abu_the_monkey, only 9 years later I read the readme for v0.4

Says:
Todo: compile a Quake replacement engine with extended coord system for 68k amigas (works but needs work)

history

v0.4 11/11 forth upload containing a new (experimental) game engine based on Quake68k by Frank Wille, (which requires MUI and a 68040/060) has extended coords thanks to code from John Fitz

It sucks to not get feedback you spend time on something but was there ever any further development of this experimental engine?
For the record, I asked this same question 6 years ago, and YouTube proves it :-)
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[eXeler0]

Around xmas I usually mess around with Trenchbroom and make Quake maps,
I's really want to do one that works with AmiQuake. (Or at least the Breed Engine)

What are the limits in AmiQuake for the following:
*Map size in units:
Number of...
*faces
*marksurfaces
*visleafs
*models
*lightmaps
byte packet
visedicts

Or could I simply look at the values listed under "Normal limit"?
https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Engine_Limits

NVM Ill just assume its *identical* to whatever limits winquake 1.09 has ;-))

[abu_the_monkey]

@eXeler0

I have just uploaded the most recent build of the 68k Quake engine I modified for Qbreed. it should show up in a day or so if i did it right (its been a long time)

also here is a screen shot of the map you linked in your post running on it (in winuae) seems to work ok.

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[kriz]

Nice, its online now:http://aminet.net/package/game/data/Qbreed

[amiman99]

Originally Posted by str0m

That was way quicker than my 030 50mhz CD32. Definitely playable on that 386!!

I saw that many years ago (looks like 7 years ago) and posted this comment:
"As a comparison, I run a timedemo on my Commodore Amiga 1200 with 68030/68882 50MHz (the CPU is comparable to 386s) and I got 1.46FPS"

I did it to test my new 50MHz FPU.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

@eXeler0

I have just uploaded the most recent build of the 68k Quake engine I modified for Qbreed. it should show up in a day or so if i did it right (its been a long time)

also here is a screen shot of the map you linked in your post running on it (in winuae) seems to work ok.

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I tested Quake Breed and I must say it has a nice graphic look, lights and transparency.

The engine is a bit unstable on some configurations with GURU 800000004/80000000B works better on RTG Screens even if every now and then a Guru appears.

Video Test with AfA One 1024x768: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qc3...ew?usp=sharing

[eXeler0]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

@eXeler0

I have just uploaded the most recent build of the 68k Quake engine I modified for Qbreed. it should show up in a day or so if i did it right (its been a long time)

also here is a screen shot of the map you linked in your post running on it (in winuae) seems to work ok.

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Wow, this is great!

[James]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

I have just uploaded the most recent build of the 68k Quake engine I modified for Qbreed.

Wow, this is a nice surprise, apart from increased map sizes, the fullscreen HUD and viewable player model in chase mode make this the best looking software Quake engine on the Amiga.
Frikbot PerQuake, Quake1Arena and Codename Envenom all work really well.
Shame that the crashes mentioned by AMIGASYSTEM have prevented me running some mods so far (like the Quake 2 mod).
The only other problem I've noticed is that models disappear when over liquids.

[Weaselrama]

Originally Posted by James

Wow, this is a nice surprise, apart from increased map sizes, the fullscreen HUD and viewable player model in chase mode make this the best looking software Quake engine on the Amiga.
Frikbot PerQuake, Quake1Arena and Codename Envenom all work really well.
Shame that the crashes mentioned by AMIGASYSTEM have prevented me running some mods so far (like the Quake 2 mod).
The only other problem I've noticed is that models disappear when over liquids.

It rocks, it really does. Very enjoyable gameplay in UAE. I've been playing it for months and through at least 2 revisions of AmiQuake itself.

[abu_the_monkey]

@AMIGASYSTEM, glad it works for others, its nice to know . as for the guru not sure what's going on there... does it happen at random or is it always at the same point?

@James, glad you like it . is there a map you can recommend that shows the glitches you have observed. i have only really used the engine for Qbreed so not tested it extensively at all.



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[NovaCoder]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

@AMIGASYSTEM, glad it works for others, its nice to know . as for the guru not sure what's going on there... does it happen at random or is it always at the same point?

Not being funny but this thread is meant for Amiquake discussions and issues, it's better if you create a new thread to discuss your own Quake engine updates.

Thanks

[abu_the_monkey]

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

Not being funny but this thread is meant for Amiquake discussions and issues, it's better if you create a new thread to discuss your own Quake engine updates.

Thanks

yeah, my bad. i did think that after my first post...

your work ROCKS by the by.



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[NovaCoder]

Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

yeah, my bad. i did think that after my first post...

your work ROCKS by the by.



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Thanks mate, good luck with your updates

[James]

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

Not being funny but this thread is meant for Amiquake discussions and issues, it's better if you create a new thread to discuss your own Quake engine updates.

Thanks

Sorry NovaCoder, have started a new thread here:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=104542

[DungeonMaster85]

What is a recommended screen mode to set for picasso96. I always get errors saying that it can't find the correct screen mode, and it won't start :-(