Running CD32 games on A1200 via CD image?

Silver · 16 April 2009, 12:39

I've searched the forum for this, but could not quite find the info I was after...

I know you can attach a CD to a A1200 and boot (most?) CD32 games off CD, and I know there are several CD32 games that have been given the WHDload treatment (although this ditches CD audio it appears).

Is it possible to mount a CD image (a la daemon tools on a PC) and run the game? I know there are mounting tools on Aminet - but does this actually work with CD audio? (I will be running an 030 A1200 with extra ram).

And if it does work - what is the best program for running CD32 games on WB3.1? (I don't have a squirrel cd or anything - it's just an IDE cdrom that I would run either through the motherboard IDE or on the scsi chain via a scsi-ide adapter).

Thanks for any tips...

Retro1234 · 16 April 2009, 13:39

Some CD32 games wont run from HD or image because the cd.device/CDROM envirnoment needs to be Simulated -The best tools for this are SimCD32 from the CD32 Devkit or the Demo of Installl2001.
But CD Audio wont work and Probably no games that use RNC IDE loader.

Unless you do connect a IDE cdrom drive - CD audio should be ok - Using the squirrel CD32 emulator.

Silver · 16 April 2009, 19:36

So the only way to get cd audio is to play from cd? I'm surprised mounting an image does not work.

And a SCSI cd is worse than IDE for compatibility?

musashi5150 · 16 April 2009, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

games that use RNC CD32 loader

Let's nip this in the bud. It's not IDE

Or we will have a raft of "I want to replace the drive in my CD32" posts

But good point.

Gordon · 16 April 2009, 19:50

I want to replace the drive in my CD32, how do i do it? Thanks

musashi5150 · 16 April 2009, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

I want to replace the drive in my CD32, how do i do it? Thanks

Retro1234 · 16 April 2009, 21:01

Ok its not IDE

but what a shame it would be nice to rehouse the CD32 and put in a IDE CD-Rom.

Games that uses the RNC CD32 loader probably wont work, there pure shovelware with only difference some keys remapped.

Paul_s · 17 April 2009, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

I want to replace the drive in my CD32, how do i do it? Thanks

Pull the drive out and search on google with the part numbers. There are still suppliers who sell the Sony drive the CD32 uses.

As has been said the interface/electronics are all bespoke Chinon/Commodore (non-IDE)

What about the Emulation of Akiko when it comes to running games on the 1200 designed for the CD32? I know C= originally planned a CD32 drive for the 1200 which never appeared but I was reading last night that their adapter was also designed to use the CPU slot (expansion card underneath).

Amiga1992 · 17 April 2009, 17:16

Tools like CD32 emu take care of Akiko as far as I can tell.
Hey, weren't there tools like ToolsDaemon for PC available for Amiga? Why would these not work?

Someone should code a proper CD32 em00...

Retro1234 · 17 April 2009, 18:40

Zool,Microcosm and others that access the cd.device probably wont work with tools like ToolsDaemon.

Silver · 18 April 2009, 08:38

Is there a list anywhere of which cd32 games use what access method, or which security?

It seems several games should work but it's not clear how many or which ones etc...

FOL · 18 April 2009, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver

Is there a list anywhere of which cd32 games use what access method, or which security?

It seems several games should work but it's not clear how many or which ones etc...

Using SimCD32, they should all work.

If you have a CDROM, then power computing's CD32 EMU. Does the CDDA tracks to,

.

Doc Mindie · 23 April 2009, 09:56

"toolsdaemon"? wasn't that just for menu-items on the WB? DaemonTools on the other hand, is a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM emulation pack for a tiny OS shippiong out from Redmond. Noone has prolly even heard of it :look

Silver · 24 April 2009, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Using SimCD32, they should all work.

If you have a CDROM, then power computing's CD32 EMU. Does the CDDA tracks to,

.

Thanks for into.... So SimCD32 should work with all games, and runs CD images? Does it play CDDA?

FOL · 24 April 2009, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver

Thanks for into.... So SimCD32 should work with all games, and runs CD images? Does it play CDDA?

You would have to try it, aint gone that deep into it.

Retro1234 · 24 April 2009, 11:39

Can someone just confirm can an ISO store Audio I think an NRG image can but not sure about ISO?

Silver · 24 April 2009, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Can someone just confirm can an ISO store Audio I think an NRG image can but not sure about ISO?

No Isos just store the data track. If there is proper CD audio on the disc, an Iso wont carry it.

A huge number of other image formats will.

Retro1234 · 24 April 2009, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver

No Isos just store the data track. If there is proper CD audio on the disc, an Iso wont carry it.

A huge number of other image formats will.

Ok im a little intrested now. But I have no information about how Audio is played back on an Amiga from CD.

As posted by xpect diskimage.device for OS3.x might be worth a look .nrg and CloneCd img support -Ive not had a chance to look yet
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43588

Silver · 27 April 2009, 01:31

That looks interesting - nero/alcohol/ccd support on the amiga.

Need to test if it works with cd audio in cd32 games...

16 April 2009, 12:39	#1
Silver Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Age: 46 Posts: 118	Running CD32 games on A1200 via CD image? I've searched the forum for this, but could not quite find the info I was after... I know you can attach a CD to a A1200 and boot (most?) CD32 games off CD, and I know there are several CD32 games that have been given the WHDload treatment (although this ditches CD audio it appears). Is it possible to mount a CD image (a la daemon tools on a PC) and run the game? I know there are mounting tools on Aminet - but does this actually work with CD audio? (I will be running an 030 A1200 with extra ram). And if it does work - what is the best program for running CD32 games on WB3.1? (I don't have a squirrel cd or anything - it's just an IDE cdrom that I would run either through the motherboard IDE or on the scsi chain via a scsi-ide adapter). Thanks for any tips...

16 April 2009, 13:39	#2
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,777	Some CD32 games wont run from HD or image because the cd.device/CDROM envirnoment needs to be Simulated -The best tools for this are SimCD32 from the CD32 Devkit or the Demo of Installl2001. But CD Audio wont work and Probably no games that use RNC IDE loader. Unless you do connect a IDE cdrom drive - CD audio should be ok - Using the squirrel CD32 emulator. Last edited by Retro1234; 16 April 2009 at 13:52.

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16 April 2009, 19:36	#3
Silver Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Age: 46 Posts: 118	So the only way to get cd audio is to play from cd? I'm surprised mounting an image does not work. And a SCSI cd is worse than IDE for compatibility?

16 April 2009, 19:50	#5
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I want to replace the drive in my CD32, how do i do it? Thanks

16 April 2009, 21:01	#7
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,777	Ok its not IDE but what a shame it would be nice to rehouse the CD32 and put in a IDE CD-Rom. Games that uses the RNC CD32 loader probably wont work, there pure shovelware with only difference some keys remapped.

17 April 2009, 17:16	#9
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Tools like CD32 emu take care of Akiko as far as I can tell. Hey, weren't there tools like ToolsDaemon for PC available for Amiga? Why would these not work? Someone should code a proper CD32 em00...

17 April 2009, 18:40	#10
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,777	Zool,Microcosm and others that access the cd.device probably wont work with tools like ToolsDaemon.

18 April 2009, 08:38	#11
Silver Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Age: 46 Posts: 118	Is there a list anywhere of which cd32 games use what access method, or which security? It seems several games should work but it's not clear how many or which ones etc...

23 April 2009, 09:56	#13
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 51 Posts: 841	"toolsdaemon"? wasn't that just for menu-items on the WB? DaemonTools on the other hand, is a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM emulation pack for a tiny OS shippiong out from Redmond. Noone has prolly even heard of it :look

24 April 2009, 11:39	#16
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,777	Can someone just confirm can an ISO store Audio I think an NRG image can but not sure about ISO?

27 April 2009, 01:31	#19
Silver Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Age: 46 Posts: 118	That looks interesting - nero/alcohol/ccd support on the amiga. Need to test if it works with cd audio in cd32 games...

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