Compactflas as hdd on buddha controller

Chain · 05 June 2007, 17:55

Is it possible to use Buddha flash ide controller and Cf card as bootable drive in a3000? Anyone tried that?

Zetr0 · 05 June 2007, 19:20

@Chain

in a nut shell YEPO!

the CF card (when using an ide adapter) is seen as nothing more than an ATA device. the only thing is the buddha has no DMA, (not that theres much to that on an Amiga) but this will impeed its performance.

Chain · 05 June 2007, 21:21

budha has no dma, and cf cards are not working, now im pretty sure

Chain · 05 June 2007, 21:40

which is really sad

(((

keropi · 05 June 2007, 21:57

what why? DMA is irrelevant to cf acting as HD... a1200 has no DMA on the ide port and I have seen a4000's with cf... I don't see why it won't work on buddha!

Chain · 05 June 2007, 22:10

i know, it isnt working due to non dma transfers

its just not sees any cf card with any adapter

keropi · 05 June 2007, 22:17

ah, so it is an adapter issue... damn!

Chain · 06 June 2007, 07:07

no, is not adapter issue.
buddha cant see cf BECAUSE its 2nd.scsi.device.
same problem as with CF and 4xEIDE on secondary port
it will not work at all

there is one possible solution - new firmware/flash for buddha. Im wonderind if Jens can help us with 7 years old hw/fw

thomas · 06 June 2007, 07:43

Please explain why you think that 2nd.scsi.device is a problem. I have a FastATA which sees its channels as 2nd.scsi.device and 3rd.scsi.device and there is no problem booting from a device connected to either of them.

keropi · 06 June 2007, 07:47

yes, I don't get it either...

Chain · 06 June 2007, 08:21

fastata works really another way than buddha (based on old alf controller)
im just guessin - cf didnt work on 4xeide on secondary port, and buddha have similar problem.

just for clear it, there isnt any problem with booting from 2nd scsi device. problem is with detecting CF here

Zetr0 · 06 June 2007, 09:00

@Chain

I have just test this on my a600.

I put my 4GB CF card onto the 2nd channel of the IDEfix97 buffered interface and the DVD/CDRW onto the 1st channel.

The A600 booted but idefixprefs complained about the ROM not being where it was expected.

I tried this also on a 1200 (with another buffered IDE interface) and got the same result.

Although I am not 100% positive I believe, as keropi suggests, that it may well be your adapter that is at fault. as you may know some adapters are not 100% ATA compliant, and since the Amiga IDE systems are old and have a very limmited inteligence cannot work arround the device inquire of these adapters.

If i could suggest anything, before commiting either the compact flash or ide adapter to the bin / trash or worse. is there another amiga you could test it on?

In fact, if you wish I do have a spare adapter that I know work as well as pre-installed OS3.5 CF card. I can send these to you to test out you buddha (as long as you send 'em back

) PM me

Chain · 06 June 2007, 09:19

ive tried 4 different cards on 3 different adapters, they are working fine in A1200 onboard controller, A600 onboard etc. so i tihing they are not faulty

tried also prepared bootable Cf with system on it, i got only "insert floppy" screen. led on adapter flashes, but thats all.

amiga ide systems are maybe old, bud buddha is "relatively" new hw

btw there are fuckin 40.070 roms inside, dunno who put it here but not me, and i dont have another 3.1 set for 3000

MrZammler · 06 June 2007, 09:46

Strange... it should work, I'll try this on my A3000 with budhha and let you know (however it might take a while, I need a CF and an adapter first).

BinoX · 06 June 2007, 10:44

I just chucked a CF card and adapter onto the buddha in my A2000 machine and it works on there...

Chain · 06 June 2007, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by BinoX

I just chucked a CF card and adapter onto the buddha in my A2000 machine and it works on there...

gah, so it need another type of adapter/cf card? Please can you tell me which adapter and cf are you using?

Chain · 06 June 2007, 11:20

I also got a reply from Jens Schönfeld.
quote (hope he doesnt mind):

I have a few customers who are using the
Transcend IDE flash modules, which are basically
CF cards in true IDE mode and a nice
IDE-connector-like case. You might want to check
the adapter and try a different card, because in
general, the Buddha works fine with CF cards.

ciao,
--
Jens Schönfeld

Chain · 06 June 2007, 14:12

Need to measure WORKING CF adapter (and i mean working with buddha). come on, its only two connectors and wiring inbetween.
can someone do it?

Chain · 06 June 2007, 17:49

It didnt work with microdrive too :/

Zetr0 · 06 June 2007, 19:43

I am begining to wonder if your buddha could be at fault.

05 June 2007, 17:55	#1
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05 June 2007, 19:20	#2
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Chain in a nut shell YEPO! the CF card (when using an ide adapter) is seen as nothing more than an ATA device. the only thing is the buddha has no DMA, (not that theres much to that on an Amiga) but this will impeed its performance.

05 June 2007, 21:21	#3
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	budha has no dma, and cf cards are not working, now im pretty sure

05 June 2007, 21:40	#4
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	which is really sad (((

05 June 2007, 21:57	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	what why? DMA is irrelevant to cf acting as HD... a1200 has no DMA on the ide port and I have seen a4000's with cf... I don't see why it won't work on buddha!

05 June 2007, 22:10	#6
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	i know, it isnt working due to non dma transfers its just not sees any cf card with any adapter

05 June 2007, 22:17	#7
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ah, so it is an adapter issue... damn!

06 June 2007, 07:07	#8
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	no, is not adapter issue. buddha cant see cf BECAUSE its 2nd.scsi.device. same problem as with CF and 4xEIDE on secondary port it will not work at all there is one possible solution - new firmware/flash for buddha. Im wonderind if Jens can help us with 7 years old hw/fw

06 June 2007, 07:43	#9
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,025	Please explain why you think that 2nd.scsi.device is a problem. I have a FastATA which sees its channels as 2nd.scsi.device and 3rd.scsi.device and there is no problem booting from a device connected to either of them.

06 June 2007, 07:47	#10
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yes, I don't get it either...

06 June 2007, 08:21	#11
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	fastata works really another way than buddha (based on old alf controller) im just guessin - cf didnt work on 4xeide on secondary port, and buddha have similar problem. just for clear it, there isnt any problem with booting from 2nd scsi device. problem is with detecting CF here

06 June 2007, 09:00	#12
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Chain I have just test this on my a600. I put my 4GB CF card onto the 2nd channel of the IDEfix97 buffered interface and the DVD/CDRW onto the 1st channel. The A600 booted but idefixprefs complained about the ROM not being where it was expected. I tried this also on a 1200 (with another buffered IDE interface) and got the same result. Although I am not 100% positive I believe, as keropi suggests, that it may well be your adapter that is at fault. as you may know some adapters are not 100% ATA compliant, and since the Amiga IDE systems are old and have a very limmited inteligence cannot work arround the device inquire of these adapters. If i could suggest anything, before commiting either the compact flash or ide adapter to the bin / trash or worse. is there another amiga you could test it on? In fact, if you wish I do have a spare adapter that I know work as well as pre-installed OS3.5 CF card. I can send these to you to test out you buddha (as long as you send 'em back ) PM me

06 June 2007, 09:19	#13
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	ive tried 4 different cards on 3 different adapters, they are working fine in A1200 onboard controller, A600 onboard etc. so i tihing they are not faulty tried also prepared bootable Cf with system on it, i got only "insert floppy" screen. led on adapter flashes, but thats all. amiga ide systems are maybe old, bud buddha is "relatively" new hw btw there are fuckin 40.070 roms inside, dunno who put it here but not me, and i dont have another 3.1 set for 3000

06 June 2007, 09:46	#14
MrZammler Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Crete Age: 46 Posts: 191	Strange... it should work, I'll try this on my A3000 with budhha and let you know (however it might take a while, I need a CF and an adapter first).

06 June 2007, 10:44	#15
BinoX Miggy Man Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cornwall, United Kingdom Age: 40 Posts: 831	I just chucked a CF card and adapter onto the buddha in my A2000 machine and it works on there...

06 June 2007, 11:20	#17
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	I also got a reply from Jens Schönfeld. quote (hope he doesnt mind): I have a few customers who are using the Transcend IDE flash modules, which are basically CF cards in true IDE mode and a nice IDE-connector-like case. You might want to check the adapter and try a different card, because in general, the Buddha works fine with CF cards. ciao, -- Jens Schönfeld

06 June 2007, 14:12	#18
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	Need to measure WORKING CF adapter (and i mean working with buddha). come on, its only two connectors and wiring inbetween. can someone do it?

06 June 2007, 17:49	#19
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	It didnt work with microdrive too :/

06 June 2007, 19:43	#20
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	I am begining to wonder if your buddha could be at fault.

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