SAS/C 6.58 on 1.3

[marduk_kurios]

Hello,

I'm using SAS/C with KS 34 and it runs very well but I have some trouble setting up the environment correctly. I realize this isn't a coding question as such but I figured if anyone would know how to configure this correctly, it would be you guys.

So, my startup-sequence contains the following:

Assign ENVARC: sys:prefs/env-archive
Assign ENV: RAM:ENV
copy >nil: ENVARC: ram:env all quiet
Makedir env:sc

[...]

assign sc: gary:devel/c/sasc
assign lib: sc:lib
assign include: sc:include
assign cxxinclude: sc:cxxinclude

The problem is that the editor (se) does not want to keep its configuration. No matter whether I save, after the next reboot the settings are gone. Also, I cannot load any configuration. Whenever I am in configuration screen and choose Project->Open, nothing happens.

I think this has to do with the ENV/ENVARC settings as this is actually for 2.0. However, I was told this should work in 1.3 as well, but I don't know how

[emufan]

i think wb/ks 1.3 does not know about ENVARC: / ENV: at all.
in the binary of the SE tool you can see ENV: and ENV:SC only
since you assign ENV: to ram:env , all your setting are gone, after a reset.

maybe try this - just once in a shell/cli:

makedir sys:prefs/env-archive/sc
copy  gary:devel/c/sasc/env/se.dat sys:prefs/env-archive/sc/
copy  gary:devel/c/sasc/env/se.msg sys:prefs/env-archive/sc/

so the default files for se are now in your ENVARC:sc

in startup-sequence:

Assign ENVARC: sys:prefs/env-archive
Assign ENV: ENVARC:
;Assign ENV: RAM:ENV
;copy >nil: ENVARC: ram:env all quiet
;Makedir env:sc

so the SE program can now find env:sc and env:
files changes inside them will survive a reset.

assign sc: gary:devel/c/sasc
assign lib: sc:lib
assign include: sc:include
assign cxxinclude: sc:cxxinclude
path sc:c add

just add the path command, maybe usefull.

about the file loading - in the se binary you can read "asl.library" - this file-requester library
exists only for wb/ks 2.0 or greater. so i think you wont see a file-requester on wb/ks1.3

at the lower part of the SE window, i saw something like "enter filename at cursor position"
made me some headache, so i gave up for now

[marduk_kurios]

Ahhhh!

And now it all makes sense. This works like a charm. Thank you very much; now SAS/C is running perfectly.

On another note: 1.3 does know about ENV: (RAM:ENV is created by the default workbench startup-sequence). Would it make sense to use ram:env BUT before powering off/rebooting saving it to env-archive which will be loaded back into RAM: on next boot?

However, I am not sure it would make any difference in terms of performance, even though sys: is mounted as a static .hdf file.

[emufan]

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

Ahhhh!

And now it all makes sense. This works like a charm. Thank you very much; now SAS/C is running perfectly.

cool

On another note: 1.3 does know about ENV: (RAM:ENV is created by the default workbench startup-sequence). Would it make sense to use ram:env BUT before powering off/rebooting saving it to env-archive which will be loaded back into RAM: on next boot?

the amiga does not have a power-down facility, like we know from unix or windows machines. so accidentally you would destroy your profiles in ram:env, once you are in hurry or things.
I was not sure about env: on Wb1.3 - there must be some kind of mechanic, the "env-handler" writes back entries from env: to envarc: once files get manipulated in env: - maybe this does not work correct in wb1.3 . no clue here.
performance wise it would not make big difference, i think.

[marduk_kurios]

I am aware of that. I was thinking of manually playing back the files.

Like making a shutdown.sh script that does that. But we're off-topic here. Thanks for your help!

[emufan]

you can basicaly do something like this in a script (shutdown.sh):

copy >nil: ram:env sys:prefs/env-archive all quiet
or
copy >nil: env: envarc: all quiet
echo "done, shutdown now :)"

in a shell type: execute shutdown.sh

before this you should undo the startup-sequence changes:

Assign ENVARC: sys:prefs/env-archive
Assign ENV: RAM:ENV
copy >nil: ENVARC: ram:env all quiet

with copy ... ALL QUIET , even subfolders should be copied, so no worry about "env/sc" folder anymore.

not a masterpiece script, but something you can develop

[marduk_kurios]

Yes, I was thinking about something like this.

However, considering I run this in WinUAE, would it be worth it? I would think the access time to read/write from the .hdf is inconsiderably longer than from ram:

[emufan]

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

Yes, I was thinking about something like this.

However, considering I run this in WinUAE, would it be worth it? I would think the access time to read/write from the .hdf is inconsiderably longer than from ram:

it's more about learning alternatives

[marduk_kurios]

This should probably be moved into the general coders forum.

Anyway, I certainly agree.

I'm working on setting up a HDF image with 1.3 OS that has all kinds of programming/developing software. So far I got:

C/C++:

SAS/C 6.58
Lattice C 5.04
Aztec C 5.0a
DICE 3.1
Maxxon C++ 1.01.6

Assembly:

a68k 2.71
ASM-One 1.02 (Max)
ASM-One 1.05 (TFA)
ASM-One 1.06 (TFA)
ASM-One 1.15 (TFA)
ASM-One 1.20 (TFA)
AssemPro
Devpac 2.04
Devpac 3.0
Kick-Ass 1.95
Masterseka 1.8
Maxon Assembler 1.2
SEKA 2.0
SEKA 3.20
Trash'm-ONE 1.6
Trash'm-ONE 1.7

Other:

BlitzBasic
Hisoft Basic
HiSoft Pascal
Maxon Pascal
AMOS 2.0
ARexx


Still looking for stuff, but it's kinda hard to find...

[Yesideez]

I'm presuming you're looking for coding stuff - what are you looking to find, I've got loads of software sat on my PC.

[marduk_kurios]

Basically I am looking for any kind of good/historic/famous software that runs on 1.3. Apart from programming languages and IDEs I also collect useful applications like Dpaint or editors like vim.

There are a lot of setups for games and you can basically find every game you want. For applications though it is harder, thus I am interested in making one nice setup (I am saving the installers as well if they come with one).

Mind if I get in touch via PM?

[demolition]

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

Still looking for stuff, but it's kinda hard to find...

What about Resource? Doesn't that work on 1.3?

[marduk_kurios]

I think ReSource required 2.0+, I think I failed installing it on 1.3 (or at least the version I had)

[emufan]

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

I think ReSource required 2.0+, I think I failed installing it on 1.3 (or at least the version I had)

there is ReSource 3.06 in The Zone (login and join the zone group, the link to it, you find next to the logout-button).
3.06 was made in 1988/89 so it does work on 1.3
there is also the eab fileserver - using it's search engine, you may find other goods

[marduk_kurios]

Ahh, that's how The Zone works. Thanks, much appreciated. I'll parse through it and add what I think makes sense.

FWIW, I'll ofc share the .hdf if anyone is interested. But it's still WIP atm. It does have the new 2.0 Filesystem, too (which works for 1.3).

[emufan]

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

Ahh, that's how The Zone works. Thanks, much appreciated. I'll parse through it and add what I think makes sense.

np. the zone holds files for 60 days only - but they also get backuped on the
eab fileserver - only the search for backuped-zone-files does not work as expected
(they do not appear on webbased search results - i reported this already).

Originally Posted by marduk_kurios

FWIW, I'll ofc share the .hdf if anyone is interested. But it's still WIP atm. It does have the new 2.0 Filesystem, too (which works for 1.3).

those ready-to-use hdd would be usefull for sure

[mark_k]

ReSource version 5 should work on Kickstart 1.3. 5.10 is the latest 5.x version I have.

[marduk_kurios]

hmm, would gladly make sure that it does work

EDIT: 3.06 works fine, thanks
EDIT2: Thx Mark, adding 5.10 as well

[Yesideez]

sure, if ypou weant to PM go ahead

Apologies fo typos I'vegiven up editing my text as there are too many any this morrphine /diazepam is to blame and without it
I'll be in agony.

[marduk_kurios]

Ooops. I hope you are okay... :S