Amiga questions you've always been too embarrassed to ask - Page 93

Amiga1992 · 07 May 2018, 16:05

Yeah, not using the >NIL: redirection on the startup-sequence will give you an iPrefs error regarding it being able to change screen because the Shell window is open. Do not remove it.

DaveTaylor · 12 May 2018, 11:27

Thank you all for explanation.

I have further questions regarding startup-sequences.
(Hard to find explanations online.)

1. What is "T:"?
(Maybe for temporary files?)

2. What is "ENV:"?

3. What is the effect of "Setpatch"?

Looking forward to your replies.

DamienD · 12 May 2018, 11:59

Probably better if some expert answers these, my responses will be basic:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveTaylor

1. What is "T:"?
(Maybe for temporary files?)

Yeah, it's a temporary location. Usually when you execute a script it will output a log to RAM:T.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveTaylor

2. What is "ENV:"?

I believe it's where environment settings go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveTaylor

3. What is the effect of "Setpatch"?

I believe it patches stuff loaded from the ROM / OS.

DaveTaylor · 14 May 2018, 06:06

Thank you Damien.

Please, someone of the coders or experts, I like to have more detailed information about questions 2 and 3. Question 1 is done.

ajk · 14 May 2018, 06:19

The workings of ENV: are explained in the manual. Basically, it is a copy of SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive on the RAM disk and holds various settings. Any changes within ENV: are wiped after a reboot, for permanent changes the assign ENVARC: points to the hard drive.

SetPatch works as Damian said. The Kickstart ROM itself can not be updated (except of course by physically swapping it out), but once the system has booted, patches can be loaded into RAM and they override the old functions in the ROM.

DaveTaylor · 14 May 2018, 07:26

Question 2 done. Thank you.

Should I use the Setpatch command generally in every startup-sequence at all events?

ajk · 14 May 2018, 07:35

If you don't need the functionality added / fixed by SetPatch, you don't need to use it. Generally won't make any difference with a game, for example.

Daedalus · 14 May 2018, 09:32

For general use though, Setpatch is a good idea. Some updates are important, for example the scsi.device updates from OS 3.9 (if not taken care of elsewhere), and it also performs other functions like enabling AGA screenmodes for system-friendly apps (though games don't need it to use AGA as they bang the hardware) and loading CPU-specific libraries if you have an '040 or '060.

Amiga1992 · 14 May 2018, 15:26

Yes, Setpatch is usually a good idea.
When I first moved to 3.x I also thought "what is this this is useless I'm gonna axe it" but then I realized that was a foolish thing to do

DaveTaylor · 14 May 2018, 19:49

Now I know what to do. Thank you for explanations.

DaveTaylor · 14 May 2018, 19:52

And the next question. This time another topic.

I know Tosec naming convention, but couldnt find the answer.

Some ADF games have "M3" or "M4" or "M5" in their names.

What does it mean?

-Acid- · 14 May 2018, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveTaylor

And the next question. This time another topic.

I know Tosec naming convention, but couldnt find the answer.

Some ADF games have "M3" or "M4" or "M5" in their names.

What does it mean?

Irrc it indicates how many languages are available in game. So M5 has 5 selectable languages in that release.

DaveTaylor · 14 May 2018, 21:04

I didnt expect that. But now its clear to me.

No further questions. Thank you all.

DamienD · 15 May 2018, 17:03

TOSEC Naming Convention

ransom1122 · 20 May 2018, 09:57

What do the little blue worms say at the start of the game Stormlord?

is it "I don't care" ?

Leffmann · 20 May 2018, 11:02

To me it sounds like "oh yeah". It could also be "yanny" or "laurel".

ransom1122 · 20 May 2018, 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

It could also be "yanny" or "laurel".

lilalurl · 20 May 2018, 11:55

I hear something like "Oh, you" or "Oh, ew"
But I have the feeling there is something else at the end. "Oh, youth" maybe?

I have put the sample, the sample slowed down to 75% and to 50% in the Zone in case some other people want to take a guess. In case we get a lot of answers we will be moving these to another thread.

turrican3 · 17 August 2018, 18:45

It's more a question for the coders.
You did an amazing job with reverse engineering !!!
Porting eotb 1 and 2 to the aga machines !!!
aerok did amazing job with cd32 conversions !!!
All of those stuff are amazing !!!
I can't thank you enough, you keep the amiga spirit alive with new stuffs to
enjoy, really !!
But i have just one question with all that hard work and really hard work what is it so hard to cut music in a game and replace it with cdda ??
If it's for the love of paula i understand but some games doesn't have even music, it could be great to make cd32 cdda versions ?? no ?
Why it seems so hard ?? When, so many things, and some, we thought nearly impossible were done... Perhaps whdload could make it in the future in a easy way to patch the games.
It's not a critic, it's really a question ??
Is it because : the way to launch cdda is badly documented ?? what's the stone in front of the path ?

Paulee_Bow · 17 August 2018, 19:25

1. Please give me a brief desecription of exactly what ARexx is...
2. Why can the Amiga only address 2MB Chip RAM, not enough traces on the motherboard?
3. How is it possible to format an Amiga CF card on WinUAE through a USB CF hub? That blows my mind...I know hard drive formatting is kind of OS controlled, but why does it work? The Emulator is talking through a USB hub on Windows...I just can’t compute...
4. From a theoretical point of view, could a aoundcard be built with 4 or 8 Paula’s on it? Would anyone besides me want this crazy thing?

Thanks!

17 August 2018, 18:45	#1859
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	It's more a question for the coders. You did an amazing job with reverse engineering !!! Porting eotb 1 and 2 to the aga machines !!! aerok did amazing job with cd32 conversions !!! All of those stuff are amazing !!! I can't thank you enough, you keep the amiga spirit alive with new stuffs to enjoy, really !! But i have just one question with all that hard work and really hard work what is it so hard to cut music in a game and replace it with cdda ?? If it's for the love of paula i understand but some games doesn't have even music, it could be great to make cd32 cdda versions ?? no ? Why it seems so hard ?? When, so many things, and some, we thought nearly impossible were done... Perhaps whdload could make it in the future in a easy way to patch the games. It's not a critic, it's really a question ?? Is it because : the way to launch cdda is badly documented ?? what's the stone in front of the path ? Last edited by turrican3; 17 August 2018 at 18:57.

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07 May 2018, 16:05	#1841
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Yeah, not using the >NIL: redirection on the startup-sequence will give you an iPrefs error regarding it being able to change screen because the Shell window is open. Do not remove it.

12 May 2018, 11:27	#1842
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	Thank you all for explanation. I have further questions regarding startup-sequences. (Hard to find explanations online.) 1. What is "T:"? (Maybe for temporary files?) 2. What is "ENV:"? 3. What is the effect of "Setpatch"? Looking forward to your replies.

14 May 2018, 06:06	#1844
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	Thank you Damien. Please, someone of the coders or experts, I like to have more detailed information about questions 2 and 3. Question 1 is done.

14 May 2018, 06:19	#1845
ajk Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,341	The workings of ENV: are explained in the manual. Basically, it is a copy of SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive on the RAM disk and holds various settings. Any changes within ENV: are wiped after a reboot, for permanent changes the assign ENVARC: points to the hard drive. SetPatch works as Damian said. The Kickstart ROM itself can not be updated (except of course by physically swapping it out), but once the system has booted, patches can be loaded into RAM and they override the old functions in the ROM.

14 May 2018, 07:26	#1846
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	Question 2 done. Thank you. Should I use the Setpatch command generally in every startup-sequence at all events?

14 May 2018, 07:35	#1847
ajk Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1,341	If you don't need the functionality added / fixed by SetPatch, you don't need to use it. Generally won't make any difference with a game, for example.

14 May 2018, 09:32	#1848
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,369	For general use though, Setpatch is a good idea. Some updates are important, for example the scsi.device updates from OS 3.9 (if not taken care of elsewhere), and it also performs other functions like enabling AGA screenmodes for system-friendly apps (though games don't need it to use AGA as they bang the hardware) and loading CPU-specific libraries if you have an '040 or '060.

14 May 2018, 15:26	#1849
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Yes, Setpatch is usually a good idea. When I first moved to 3.x I also thought "what is this this is useless I'm gonna axe it" but then I realized that was a foolish thing to do

14 May 2018, 19:49	#1850
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	Now I know what to do. Thank you for explanations.

14 May 2018, 19:52	#1851
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	And the next question. This time another topic. I know Tosec naming convention, but couldnt find the answer. Some ADF games have "M3" or "M4" or "M5" in their names. What does it mean?

14 May 2018, 21:04	#1853
DaveTaylor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 102	I didnt expect that. But now its clear to me. No further questions. Thank you all.

15 May 2018, 17:03	#1854
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	TOSEC Naming Convention

20 May 2018, 09:57	#1855
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,850	What do the little blue worms say at the start of the game Stormlord? is it *"I don't care*" ?

20 May 2018, 11:02	#1856
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	To me it sounds like "oh yeah". It could also be "yanny" or "laurel".

20 May 2018, 11:55	#1858
lilalurl Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 3,289	I hear something like "Oh, you" or "Oh, ew" But I have the feeling there is something else at the end. "Oh, youth" maybe? I have put the sample, the sample slowed down to 75% and to 50% in the Zone in case some other people want to take a guess. In case we get a lot of answers we will be moving these to another thread.

17 August 2018, 19:25	#1860
Paulee_Bow Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 185	1. Please give me a brief desecription of exactly what ARexx is... 2. Why can the Amiga only address 2MB Chip RAM, not enough traces on the motherboard? 3. How is it possible to format an Amiga CF card on WinUAE through a USB CF hub? That blows my mind...I know hard drive formatting is kind of OS controlled, but why does it work? The Emulator is talking through a USB hub on Windows...I just can’t compute... 4. From a theoretical point of view, could a aoundcard be built with 4 or 8 Paula’s on it? Would anyone besides me want this crazy thing? Thanks!

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