Joystick and network advice

Bloodwych · 06 March 2002, 22:42

I've just moved into a larger room and I can finally have my PC setup next to my Amiga 1200. Guess what this means? Yep, network time!

I've found this site which has the kit I require (I'm in the UK), but which should I go for - the parallel solution or the serial solution?

Parallel solution

Serial solution

The serial seems better because I can still have printers hooked up to the machines, but which has the fastest transfer speed, serial or parallel?

How fast can I transfer files across these cables?

Right, now on to decision number two.

I need another 2 old-school joysticks. I've got currently got 3 cruisers (2 broken, 1 dodgy), 1 zipstick (missing in action, still trying to retrieve from my brothers friend) and 1 gamepad (doesn't feel right in most games).

Here is the line up: Joysticks available

Now I want the most robust, long-life, durable joystick. The cruisers are out because they keep on breaking!

What about the Competition Pro?

Thanks, as always, for your advice.

RetroMan · 06 March 2002, 23:10

If you want a long-life Joystick, be sure to get the Competition Pro

I still got my first one, and it still lives (after 14 years) and WOW I hurted that thing

Bloodwych · 07 March 2002, 00:27

Thanks Retro (or is that boss/guv - congrats on becoming a mod

), one vote chalked up for the old Pro!

I've always liked the classic look of those joysticks.

TikTok · 07 March 2002, 01:03

Quote:

The serial seems better because I can still have printers hooked up to the machines, but which has the fastest transfer speed, serial or parallel?

How fast can I transfer files across these cables?

Parallel will be faster than serial, because it uses several lines in parallel to transfer the data. I use a serial cable between my A600 and PC though, and get speeds of about 115200 bps using TwinExpress.

Amiga1992 · 07 March 2002, 02:02

2 joystick recommendations: Competition Pro 5000, and The Butg
1 pad recommendation: Competition Pro Pad (looks sweet! i will buy one)

about networking... use parallel. Serial is fine for small files and such, but it will take you about two hours to transfer a hundred megabytes (using TwinExpress at 115200). I know I tried, and I already got sick of it! :P

Bloodwych · 07 March 2002, 02:48

Thanks for the advice!

Looks like the Comp Pro and parallel networking so far!

Bollocks to the printer connections, the Amiga is more important!

About baud speeds. Those speeds on the serial are in bps (bits/second).

8 bits = 1 byte.

In data storage 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes

Therefore you guys are getting 115200/8*1024 Kbytes/s = 14.0625 KiloBYTES/Sec?

Is this correct?

I take it parallel uses 8 wires to send a byte symoltaniously while serial sends bits one at a time over a single wire to make up a byte?

How many times faster is parallel about?

EDIT: I'VE JUST NOTICED I'VE GOT THE 1000th POST IN THIS HARDWARE SECTION!!!!!!

:laugh What do I win Retro, what do I win???????

Amiga1992 · 07 March 2002, 06:52

No, that's too bloody fast maybe?. From my experience, it transfers an ADF in one minute. Do the math, perhaps it's correct.

And this is my opst 1989.... A golden year in computing era

Bloodwych · 07 March 2002, 09:32

Akira, an ADF in 1 minute means your rocking along at approx. 14 KB/s.

As for your personal post count, can't you freeze it? I was going to suggest "bring on the millenium" but you're right slap bang in the golden era right there!

07 March 2002, 10:39

How about transferring files by cd-rom? It saves time if you can write cds and have a cd-rom drive connected to amiga, and you can always borrow pc's cd-rom for this task

Bloodwych · 07 March 2002, 15:56

Good idea Burseg, but I want a true network for no hassle 2-way read/write of files. It's also kind of cool having the Amiga and PC linked.

Hey guys, I'm now thinking of a network solution because it's quite cheap and lightening fast.

I've got an Amiga 1200 therefore I'll need a PCMCIA 10/100 network card and the same for my PC right?

The great thing about this is that the hardware can be used in the future for Laptops or home networking.

Is this a good solution? I'm VERY new to networking

Shadowfire · 07 March 2002, 16:30

If you're seriously considering this I recommend checking out Amiga Explorer by Cloanto. www.cloanto.com

07 March 2002, 16:38

I couldn't get amiga explorer working at all. And I have a legal version which is not an usual thing for me

Writing CDs is two way, you can use MakeCD (from aminet) to ubrn Cds on amiga! That computer amazes me everyday. It was not designed for this task at all but it can successfully handle it. That's what a computer should be

The guy I bought the 1200 from was burning CDs on os3.9 with that program and the machine has just a standard 2.5" to 3.5" cable that connects the writer and hard drive to the mobo. I formatted the system but I remember he had AsimCDFS installed.

Shadowfire · 07 March 2002, 19:47

What kind of problems were you having? (I'm running Windows NT Workstation 4.0 & AmigaExplorer on the machine I'm on right now - hooked up via serial cable to my A3000).

Amiga1992 · 07 March 2002, 21:48

Amiga Explorere is POOP. I cant get decent speeds. Compared to TwinExpress, its much slower...

The ehernet network solution is nice, but be reay to set up every damned thing... I think ill give it a try, as soon as someone recommends me soms PCMCIA ethernet card brand to get for my meega......

07 March 2002, 23:07

I set up two programs on two computers and change the serial preferences as requested but a connection simply cannot be established from the pc to amiga. That's all I can tell because that's all Aexplorer tells me

edit: The exact message that appears is, "Error reading from COM port."

Steve · 07 March 2002, 23:24

I can't speak for AExplorer but I can speak about the program AmigaTrans. I set it up exactly according to the docs and when it comes to detecting the transfer from Amiga to PC the program just doesn't see the connection or transfer. I spent hours trying to get it to work but to no avail. Eventually I gave in with it and decided to use LHA to archive the ADF and then copy it to a 720k PC disk. It's just about impossible to do though with an unexpanded A1200.

It's a massive shame cos I've got a few super rare items that I'm desperate to back-up on my PC. I'm gonna give this Twin Express a try and hope that that works. Any advice on using it Akira?

Jherek Carnelia · 08 March 2002, 15:07

Well I have just downloaded Amiga Explorer and I recommend it. I have had nothing but trouble with the stuff from Aminet.
I used PC2Amiga with a parallel connection and it was fast - but I found that 99% of the (large) files wouldn't unpac/dearchive - even though there were no reported errors.
Personally I am prepared to wait a bit longer and get a decent, uncorrupted file!

Shadowfire · 08 March 2002, 22:15

Twin express IS faster, but doesn't have nearly 1/4 as much funcitonality as Amiga Explorer (such as dragging & dropping .adf/.adz files onto the disk currently in the Amiga's drive).. Burseg, that COM message means that the systems are not seeing each other. You may want to check your serial port settings in the BIOS and/or your cable configuration.

TikTok · 09 March 2002, 03:47

Incidently, what is your PC performance like whilst transfering with Amiga Explorer? Using Twin Express, everything on the PC side slows right down; the mouse pointer jerks all over and screen updates become sluggish. OK, my PC is only a PII 333 but that is ridiculous. Needless to say, my A600 only slows down a tad

.

Shadowfire · 09 March 2002, 05:21

Actually I tend to twiddle my thumbs while waiting for a disk transfer, but from a technical perspective, since the serial ports lie on the ISA bus side of things, it wouldn't surprise me at all if things got herky-jerky during a highspeed serial transfer.

I have mine set to 115,200 baud. Technical issues on one of the sides (I'm not sure which) prevent me from moving up any higher.

06 March 2002, 22:42	#1
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Joystick and network advice I've just moved into a larger room and I can finally have my PC setup next to my Amiga 1200. Guess what this means? Yep, network time! I've found this site which has the kit I require (I'm in the UK), but which should I go for - the parallel solution or the serial solution? Parallel solution Serial solution The serial seems better because I can still have printers hooked up to the machines, but which has the fastest transfer speed, serial or parallel? How fast can I transfer files across these cables? Right, now on to decision number two. I need another 2 old-school joysticks. I've got currently got 3 cruisers (2 broken, 1 dodgy), 1 zipstick (missing in action, still trying to retrieve from my brothers friend) and 1 gamepad (doesn't feel right in most games). Here is the line up: Joysticks available Now I want the most robust, long-life, durable joystick. The cruisers are out because they keep on breaking! What about the Competition Pro? Thanks, as always, for your advice. Last edited by Bloodwych; 06 March 2002 at 22:48.

07 March 2002, 02:48	#6
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thanks for the advice! Looks like the Comp Pro and parallel networking so far! Bollocks to the printer connections, the Amiga is more important! About baud speeds. Those speeds on the serial are in bps (bits/second). 8 bits = 1 byte. In data storage 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes Therefore you guys are getting 115200/81024 Kbytes/s = 14.0625 KiloBYTES/Sec? Is this correct? I take it parallel uses 8 wires to send a byte symoltaniously while serial sends bits one at a time over a single wire to make up a byte? How many times faster is parallel about? EDIT: I'VE JUST NOTICED I'VE GOT THE 1000th POST IN THIS HARDWARE SECTION!!!!!! :laugh What do I win Retro, what do I win??????? Last edited by Bloodwych; 07 March 2002 at 03:16.*

07 March 2002, 16:38	#12
oldpx Posts: n/a	I couldn't get amiga explorer working at all. And I have a legal version which is not an usual thing for me Writing CDs is two way, you can use MakeCD (from aminet) to ubrn Cds on amiga! That computer amazes me everyday. It was not designed for this task at all but it can successfully handle it. That's what a computer should be The guy I bought the 1200 from was burning CDs on os3.9 with that program and the machine has just a standard 2.5" to 3.5" cable that connects the writer and hard drive to the mobo. I formatted the system but I remember he had AsimCDFS installed. Last edited by Burseg; 07 March 2002 at 16:48.

07 March 2002, 23:07	#15
oldpx Posts: n/a	I set up two programs on two computers and change the serial preferences as requested but a connection simply cannot be established from the pc to amiga. That's all I can tell because that's all Aexplorer tells me edit: The exact message that appears is, "Error reading from COM port." Last edited by Burseg; 07 March 2002 at 23:17.

07 March 2002, 23:24	#16
Steve I Identify as an Ewok Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: North Lincolnshire Age: 45 Posts: 2,356	Same for me Burseg I can't speak for AExplorer but I can speak about the program AmigaTrans. I set it up exactly according to the docs and when it comes to detecting the transfer from Amiga to PC the program just doesn't see the connection or transfer. I spent hours trying to get it to work but to no avail. Eventually I gave in with it and decided to use LHA to archive the ADF and then copy it to a 720k PC disk. It's just about impossible to do though with an unexpanded A1200. It's a massive shame cos I've got a few super rare items that I'm desperate to back-up on my PC. I'm gonna give this Twin Express a try and hope that that works. Any advice on using it Akira?

06 March 2002, 23:10	#2
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	If you want a long-life Joystick, be sure to get the Competition Pro I still got my first one, and it still lives (after 14 years) and WOW I hurted that thing

07 March 2002, 00:27	#3
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thanks Retro (or is that boss/guv - congrats on becoming a mod ), one vote chalked up for the old Pro! I've always liked the classic look of those joysticks.

07 March 2002, 02:02	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,651	2 joystick recommendations: Competition Pro 5000, and The Butg 1 pad recommendation: Competition Pro Pad (looks sweet! i will buy one) about networking... use parallel. Serial is fine for small files and such, but it will take you about two hours to transfer a hundred megabytes (using TwinExpress at 115200). I know I tried, and I already got sick of it! :P

07 March 2002, 06:52	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,651	No, that's too bloody fast maybe?. From my experience, it transfers an ADF in one minute. Do the math, perhaps it's correct. And this is my opst 1989.... A golden year in computing era

07 March 2002, 09:32	#8
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Akira, an ADF in 1 minute means your rocking along at approx. 14 KB/s. As for your personal post count, can't you freeze it? I was going to suggest "bring on the millenium" but you're right slap bang in the golden era right there!

07 March 2002, 10:39	#9
oldpx Posts: n/a	How about transferring files by cd-rom? It saves time if you can write cds and have a cd-rom drive connected to amiga, and you can always borrow pc's cd-rom for this task

07 March 2002, 15:56	#10
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Good idea Burseg, but I want a true network for no hassle 2-way read/write of files. It's also kind of cool having the Amiga and PC linked. Hey guys, I'm now thinking of a network solution because it's quite cheap and lightening fast. I've got an Amiga 1200 therefore I'll need a PCMCIA 10/100 network card and the same for my PC right? The great thing about this is that the hardware can be used in the future for Laptops or home networking. Is this a good solution? I'm VERY new to networking

07 March 2002, 16:30	#11
Shadowfire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 617	If you're seriously considering this I recommend checking out Amiga Explorer by Cloanto. www.cloanto.com

07 March 2002, 19:47	#13
Shadowfire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 617	What kind of problems were you having? (I'm running Windows NT Workstation 4.0 & AmigaExplorer on the machine I'm on right now - hooked up via serial cable to my A3000).

07 March 2002, 21:48	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,651	Amiga Explorere is POOP. I cant get decent speeds. Compared to TwinExpress, its much slower... The ehernet network solution is nice, but be reay to set up every damned thing... I think ill give it a try, as soon as someone recommends me soms PCMCIA ethernet card brand to get for my meega......

08 March 2002, 15:07	#17
Jherek Carnelia Dazed and Confused Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: portsmouth/uk Posts: 242	Amiga Explorer Well I have just downloaded Amiga Explorer and I recommend it. I have had nothing but trouble with the stuff from Aminet. I used PC2Amiga with a parallel connection and it was fast - but I found that 99% of the (large) files wouldn't unpac/dearchive - even though there were no reported errors. Personally I am prepared to wait a bit longer and get a decent, uncorrupted file!

08 March 2002, 22:15	#18
Shadowfire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 617	Twin express IS faster, but doesn't have nearly 1/4 as much funcitonality as Amiga Explorer (such as dragging & dropping .adf/.adz files onto the disk currently in the Amiga's drive).. Burseg, that COM message means that the systems are not seeing each other. You may want to check your serial port settings in the BIOS and/or your cable configuration.

09 March 2002, 03:47	#19
TikTok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Malayasia Age: 43 Posts: 657	Incidently, what is your PC performance like whilst transfering with Amiga Explorer? Using Twin Express, everything on the PC side slows right down; the mouse pointer jerks all over and screen updates become sluggish. OK, my PC is only a PII 333 but that is ridiculous. Needless to say, my A600 only slows down a tad .

09 March 2002, 05:21	#20
Shadowfire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Connecticut USA Posts: 617	Actually I tend to twiddle my thumbs while waiting for a disk transfer, but from a technical perspective, since the serial ports lie on the ISA bus side of things, it wouldn't surprise me at all if things got herky-jerky during a highspeed serial transfer. I have mine set to 115,200 baud. Technical issues on one of the sides (I'm not sure which) prevent me from moving up any higher.

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