A3000+Voodoo3 problem

amiganut13 · 15 October 2009, 01:55

Hi all
I have a problem getting any display from my voodoo card.
My system is an A3000D with an A3000 Zorro III/II Mediator busboard.
and I have a Voodoo 3000 16MB.
The jumpers on the PCI 4000 card (first card in the mediator) are
Master closed, Winsize closed, swap config open.
I am using os 3.9 and i have installed the mediator software as per instructions from elbox (and a few other threads) and had installed Picasso96 as per instructions.
I can see the voodoo card in picassomode and i have many different display modes in prefs/screenmode.

I am also using a vga monitor to the onboard video connector and have a 2nd lcd connected to the voodoo card.
My problem is if i try to test any screen resolutions either in prefs/picassomode or prefs/screenmode then the mouse pointer changes to busy on the vga screen and i still have a black screen on the lcd.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why i can not get a display with the voodoo card?
I have been trying to fix it for 4 days now. Unfortunatly i can not reinstall the OS as there are programs installed that i don't have available any more.(disk corrupted), but i have reinstalled the mediator software and picasso several times with no luck.
and i have seached every forum and web link that might offer any help.
my lcd is a samsung 931c and the vga is an old IBM E54 crt.

This is driving me nuts

.

Thanks
Amiganut13

amiganut13 · 15 October 2009, 13:24

Can someone please give be some help.

I have done everything i can think of and still nothing works.

I am starting to wonder if it is the mediator.

rkauer · 15 October 2009, 14:07

What PCIinfo says?

amiganut13 · 15 October 2009, 23:41

Here is the cli list of pciinfo

Pci Device 1:
VendorID: $121a
VendorName: 3dfx Interactive Inc
DeviceID: $5
DeviceName: Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000
ClassCode: $30000
RevisionID: $1
InterruptPin: 2
SubsystemVendorID: $121a
SubsystemID: $36
IOSpace0: $40c06000 - $40c06003
IOSpace1: $40c06400 - $40c06403
IOSpace2: $40c06800 - $40c06803
IOSpace3: $40c06c00 - $40c06c03
IOSpace4: $40c07000 - $40c07003
IOSpace5: $40c07400 - $40c07403

I have noticed a slightly different version where the RevisionID says $FF instead of $1 and Interrupt pin is 1 not 2.

pciinfo responds 7 out of 10 times or i get No device found, it seems a little flaky to me.

DoogUK · 15 October 2009, 23:44

Similar tot he problem i've had with my 1200 mediator...i swapped the voodoo to the last slot in the mediator and it worked....fluke i suspect though.

amiganut13 · 16 October 2009, 00:56

I have tried all the PCI slots and only the first (top) and the 2nd last work the best. I cannot try the last (bottom) pci as the mediator 4000 card is in there and its the only slot that lines up with the zorro slot.

I have had various degrees of success but never had a display through the card. I also have a S3Trio32/64 4mb card but could not get it to even be seen by picasso.

amiganut13 · 16 October 2009, 01:06

I have also found http://www.elx.neostrada.pl/graphics/graphics.shtml.htm
to be very useful.

I have also looked at http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39502
and http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthre...t=34865&page=1
which have given me some help

but i still have not been able to get the voodoo card to display.

amiganut13 · 16 October 2009, 01:09

I have got it back to show the voodoo in screenmode but when i select a resolution and click test the window freezes and no display on the voodoo.

amiganut13 · 16 October 2009, 10:33

can anyone help me?

Someone has to know!!

I have noticed that sometimes with pciinfo i get $FF instead of the correct info. Any one know why????

rkauer · 16 October 2009, 19:01

Two possible culprits:

1- Non-aligned Mediator. Some few millimetres off the correct position will cause all sorts of electrical problems with it;

2- Busted/malfunctioning Voodoo card. Hard to tell without plugging the card in another Mediator system or pc.

amiganut13 · 16 October 2009, 20:38

assuming for the moment that the voodo is good.
where is the small alignment adjustment required exactly?
Which part of the board?

Seems like elbox really made a flaky part. I have never in 20+ years had so many problems with my miggy.

Shame no one could get the picasso group to make the mediator.card like the prometheous group did.

amiganut13 · 19 October 2009, 17:57

Does anyone know anything more on the alignment issue?
Like where on the board has the problem.
i have noticed that the voodoo card is thinner than other cards and this may contribute to the issue.

Also why do i get $FF so much. is this due to the alignment as well.
I think i have only had the voodoo card recognized completely and correctly twice.

can someone answer?

Thanks

Amiganut13

rkauer · 20 October 2009, 04:35

The problem is not in the board! Miss alignment is caused by putting the main board slightly off the intended position or using a custom tower, which normally will have some degree of out of perfect alignment.

amiganut13 · 21 October 2009, 11:29

ok i finally fixed the alignment issue, and the voodoo3 2000 now shows the correct data with pciinfo.

However i can still not get any display on the lcd connected to it.
Only on the crt connected to the vga port on the amiga.
when I open picassomode and click on test the system locks up, happens every time.

What now???

can someone help please.

thanks

Sallinen · 21 October 2009, 12:12

Same as with my Radeon 9200.. I'm going to replace the Radeon and see if it solves the issue.

A1200 + Mediator TX + Radeon9200.

amiganut13 · 24 October 2009, 13:37

Does anyone know why my system locks up if i try to test the display in picassomode or screenmode?

This is really starting to annoy me.

The voodoo card is showing correctly in pciinfo most of the time.
Please help out a fellow amigian.

Thanks

amiganut13 · 04 November 2009, 15:56

I have received another Voodoo3 3000 card. and the card works fine on a PC.

But it fails on the amiga.

no screen, nothing. At this point i am disappointed with the whole thing.

I don't think i will ever get any pci graphics to work on this mediator or on the amiga 3000.

I know everyone that has this mediator has had issues, and i think that it shows a lack of quality and QA at Elbox.
To skimpy to pay the picasso team for a driver, and their service is terrible.
I think i will through this in the too hard basket after months of hassles and nothing but grief, and disappointment.

Thanks to all who tried to help.

DoogUK · 04 November 2009, 16:42

Have you followed this guide step by step?

http://www.elx.neostrada.pl/graphics...ics2.shtml.htm

amiganut13 · 05 November 2009, 00:46

sure have, the link is bookmarked as one of my favs.

I have tried reinstalling the OS 3.9, reinstalled the mediator software,reinstalled Picasso (tried both 2.0 and the 2.1b versions.)
I have made sure the card is at 90 degrees and i do get some responce but the card doesn't display all the info with pciinfo. even clean the connection pins.
I have tried different pci slots, the top one works the best.
i have read quite a few forums on issue others are having.
I just don't understand how it can see the card (PCIINFO) and in Picasso, and do a warm reboot and the card is no longer there.
Also test in picasso freezes the amiga.
I have checked the tooltypes, and done everything else i can think of.

Also i don't think the voodoo card is being initialized, the monitor doesn't flicker on and then back to standby.

rkauer · 05 November 2009, 05:14

Probably you can blame your Mediator or the PSU you are using.

Check the PSU for the voltage levels, especially the +5V rail. A weak PSU supplying a starving Voodoo card is never a good thing.

15 October 2009, 01:55	#1
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	A3000+Voodoo3 problem Hi all I have a problem getting any display from my voodoo card. My system is an A3000D with an A3000 Zorro III/II Mediator busboard. and I have a Voodoo 3000 16MB. The jumpers on the PCI 4000 card (first card in the mediator) are Master closed, Winsize closed, swap config open. I am using os 3.9 and i have installed the mediator software as per instructions from elbox (and a few other threads) and had installed Picasso96 as per instructions. I can see the voodoo card in picassomode and i have many different display modes in prefs/screenmode. I am also using a vga monitor to the onboard video connector and have a 2nd lcd connected to the voodoo card. My problem is if i try to test any screen resolutions either in prefs/picassomode or prefs/screenmode then the mouse pointer changes to busy on the vga screen and i still have a black screen on the lcd. Does anyone have any ideas as to why i can not get a display with the voodoo card? I have been trying to fix it for 4 days now. Unfortunatly i can not reinstall the OS as there are programs installed that i don't have available any more.(disk corrupted), but i have reinstalled the mediator software and picasso several times with no luck. and i have seached every forum and web link that might offer any help. my lcd is a samsung 931c and the vga is an old IBM E54 crt. This is driving me nuts . Thanks Amiganut13

15 October 2009, 23:41	#4
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	Here is the cli list of pciinfo Pci Device 1: VendorID: $121a VendorName: 3dfx Interactive Inc DeviceID: $5 DeviceName: Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000 ClassCode: $30000 RevisionID: $1 InterruptPin: 2 SubsystemVendorID: $121a SubsystemID: $36 IOSpace0: $40c06000 - $40c06003 IOSpace1: $40c06400 - $40c06403 IOSpace2: $40c06800 - $40c06803 IOSpace3: $40c06c00 - $40c06c03 IOSpace4: $40c07000 - $40c07003 IOSpace5: $40c07400 - $40c07403 I have noticed a slightly different version where the RevisionID says $FF instead of $1 and Interrupt pin is 1 not 2. pciinfo responds 7 out of 10 times or i get No device found, it seems a little flaky to me. Last edited by amiganut13; 15 October 2009 at 23:49.

05 November 2009, 00:46	#19
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	sure have, the link is bookmarked as one of my favs. I have tried reinstalling the OS 3.9, reinstalled the mediator software,reinstalled Picasso (tried both 2.0 and the 2.1b versions.) I have made sure the card is at 90 degrees and i do get some responce but the card doesn't display all the info with pciinfo. even clean the connection pins. I have tried different pci slots, the top one works the best. i have read quite a few forums on issue others are having. I just don't understand how it can see the card (PCIINFO) and in Picasso, and do a warm reboot and the card is no longer there. Also test in picasso freezes the amiga. I have checked the tooltypes, and done everything else i can think of. Also i don't think the voodoo card is being initialized, the monitor doesn't flicker on and then back to standby. Last edited by amiganut13; 05 November 2009 at 00:51.

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15 October 2009, 13:24	#2
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	Can someone please give be some help. I have done everything i can think of and still nothing works. I am starting to wonder if it is the mediator.

15 October 2009, 14:07	#3
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	What PCIinfo says?

15 October 2009, 23:44	#5
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Similar tot he problem i've had with my 1200 mediator...i swapped the voodoo to the last slot in the mediator and it worked....fluke i suspect though.

16 October 2009, 00:56	#6
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	I have tried all the PCI slots and only the first (top) and the 2nd last work the best. I cannot try the last (bottom) pci as the mediator 4000 card is in there and its the only slot that lines up with the zorro slot. I have had various degrees of success but never had a display through the card. I also have a S3Trio32/64 4mb card but could not get it to even be seen by picasso.

16 October 2009, 01:06	#7
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	I have also found http://www.elx.neostrada.pl/graphics/graphics.shtml.htm to be very useful. I have also looked at http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39502 and http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthre...t=34865&page=1 which have given me some help but i still have not been able to get the voodoo card to display.

16 October 2009, 01:09	#8
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	I have got it back to show the voodoo in screenmode but when i select a resolution and click test the window freezes and no display on the voodoo.

16 October 2009, 10:33	#9
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	can anyone help me? Someone has to know!! I have noticed that sometimes with pciinfo i get $FF instead of the correct info. Any one know why????

16 October 2009, 19:01	#10
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Two possible culprits: 1- Non-aligned Mediator. Some few millimetres off the correct position will cause all sorts of electrical problems with it; 2- Busted/malfunctioning Voodoo card. Hard to tell without plugging the card in another Mediator system or pc.

16 October 2009, 20:38	#11
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	assuming for the moment that the voodo is good. where is the small alignment adjustment required exactly? Which part of the board? Seems like elbox really made a flaky part. I have never in 20+ years had so many problems with my miggy. Shame no one could get the picasso group to make the mediator.card like the prometheous group did.

19 October 2009, 17:57	#12
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	Does anyone know anything more on the alignment issue? Like where on the board has the problem. i have noticed that the voodoo card is thinner than other cards and this may contribute to the issue. Also why do i get $FF so much. is this due to the alignment as well. I think i have only had the voodoo card recognized completely and correctly twice. can someone answer? Thanks Amiganut13

20 October 2009, 04:35	#13
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	The problem is not in the board! Miss alignment is caused by putting the main board slightly off the intended position or using a custom tower, which normally will have some degree of out of perfect alignment.

21 October 2009, 11:29	#14
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	ok i finally fixed the alignment issue, and the voodoo3 2000 now shows the correct data with pciinfo. However i can still not get any display on the lcd connected to it. Only on the crt connected to the vga port on the amiga. when I open picassomode and click on test the system locks up, happens every time. What now??? can someone help please. thanks

21 October 2009, 12:12	#15
Sallinen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London / United Kingdom Posts: 103	Same as with my Radeon 9200.. I'm going to replace the Radeon and see if it solves the issue. A1200 + Mediator TX + Radeon9200.

24 October 2009, 13:37	#16
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	Does anyone know why my system locks up if i try to test the display in picassomode or screenmode? This is really starting to annoy me. The voodoo card is showing correctly in pciinfo most of the time. Please help out a fellow amigian. Thanks

04 November 2009, 15:56	#17
amiganut13 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19	I have received another Voodoo3 3000 card. and the card works fine on a PC. But it fails on the amiga. no screen, nothing. At this point i am disappointed with the whole thing. I don't think i will ever get any pci graphics to work on this mediator or on the amiga 3000. I know everyone that has this mediator has had issues, and i think that it shows a lack of quality and QA at Elbox. To skimpy to pay the picasso team for a driver, and their service is terrible. I think i will through this in the too hard basket after months of hassles and nothing but grief, and disappointment. Thanks to all who tried to help.

04 November 2009, 16:42	#18
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Have you followed this guide step by step? http://www.elx.neostrada.pl/graphics...ics2.shtml.htm

05 November 2009, 05:14	#20
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Probably you can blame your Mediator or the PSU you are using. Check the PSU for the voltage levels, especially the +5V rail. A weak PSU supplying a starving Voodoo card is never a good thing.

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