A1200: Graphic corruption on Workbench

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 05:30

I'm getting this:

A1200 1D.1, Microbotics XA1230 030@50+68882@50+64MB, KS3.0, DCE sd/ff

64MB tested and passed all tests, so it's not that (unless it's wrong memory speed, I set it at 70ns)

Only seems to be happening on Workbench... "Insert disk balhbalh"requesters also have some slight gfx corruption. Problem seems to be inside windows (corrupted ASL library?)

I am running Visualprefs, Fblit and NewIcons. Perhaps its one of those? But it didnt use to happen. Also, on WinUAE, it doesnt happen, using the same config.

Any clues?

Bamiga2002 · 25 February 2009, 08:15

Have you tried without SD/FF? Or do you have another accelerator card to test it with?

DDNI · 25 February 2009, 09:17

try editing out FBlit from your Startup-sequence.

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 15:43

I'll try it without SD/FF and without FBlit, then report here!
ISsue is, after a few times of closing and opening again this app, I get a recoverable alert, and then a system freeze.

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 16:05

It's still doing it without the SD/FF
This looks like a typical case of memory corruption, but I ran a test on the memory yesterday, and it passed all tests.
Could it be the memory speed I set it at? How do I know what speed my stick is?

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 16:41

Still talking to myself here.. :P

When booting *without a startup sequence", it runs OK. So there's something there messing it up.

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 16:46

More talking to myself!!!!!!!!!!

It's something to do with IPrefs.
I commented it out and no more corruption.
Some of the settings I have must be corrupting memory.

Stuff running from startup sequence:

PatchControl
PatchOpenWB
FBlit
IPrefs
ConClip
Visualprefs
CAPrefs

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 17:04

Things on my WBStartup:

MULTI CX
RTPatch
MagicMenu
ToolManager

PowerPie5000 · 25 February 2009, 17:07

This may sound stupid? but have you tried cleaning all the contacts on the memory simm and the Microbotics card?

My expansion board was very glitchy when i first installed it but worked fine after cleaning all the connectors with Isopropyl (rubbing alcohol) and cotton buds..... it cleaned off all sorts of micro-crap and then worked fine

..... Just a suggestion

twizzle · 25 February 2009, 17:24

Could it be the memory speed I set it at? How do I know what speed my stick is?[/quote]

its on the chips marked as xxxx-6 or 60 xxxxx-70
also on the sticker , if theres is 1.

Amiga1992 · 25 February 2009, 20:02

It can't be the contacts because, as I said (read all my babble please

), WHEN I DISABLE IPREFS everything works fine.

So something is conflicting with IPrefs, or IPrefs is corrupt, or something.

fc.studio · 25 February 2009, 20:23

I report here what I found in Amiga resources:

- under Kickstart 3.1 the RAM is autoconfigured, under 3.0 it's configured by software

Your picture above shows a configuration utility, but are you sure that the configuration software is executed in the startup-sequence?
I hope this can help you.

Lips2k8 · 26 February 2009, 14:48

hi there - I have the same accelorator in my 1200 and used to have the same problem... I fixed it by doing two things - First up I tried the doing the timing fixes to my motherboard, that fixed the random crashing problem I was having but still had courpt graphics on the XA config program... so the second thing I did was look for an alternative config program on aminet - AUTOXA is the tool I found. I use that in my WBstartup drawer and everything is fine. I am guessing that original config tool is buggy and causes conflicts or issues somehow.

Amiga1992 · 03 March 2009, 17:25

I saw some graphic corruption in SYSTEM REQUESTERS TOO, not just that software.
As I reported, the problems go away when I disable IPrefs.

Also, AutoXA is only for adding memory to the system, NOT for setting up the card's configuration. There's no replacement for that.

DoogUK · 03 March 2009, 17:33

would have thought thats all you would need it for.

Amiga1992 · 03 March 2009, 21:32

Huh?

DoogUK · 03 March 2009, 21:51

adding ram...it's not like the 030 needs special configuration.

Amiga1992 · 03 March 2009, 22:33

It's for specifying the RAM's speed and the FPU type and speed, as well as other bits and bobs.

The question of this thread has no relevance to the setup tool anyway, I said I saw graphical corruption on a system requester too, after iPrefs is loaded.

Any help??????

rkauer · 09 March 2009, 21:20

@Akira:

I use to have the 1230XA, myself.

It is a great card with capacity to use up to 128Mb SIMM (which I had, too

). I also had the same graphic corruption using FBlit and other Fast-RAM patches.

I cure the problems doing the hardware mods (Ian pointed the mods to >=040 CPU and 1D3 boards onwards) and running Fblit in exclude mode to avoid SETXA graphics on fast-mem. When I changed the 3.1 ROM to a custom made 3.9 all problems was solved for good.

Amiga1992 · 09 March 2009, 22:02

Rkauer, I will need help from you on this.
I will have to investigate that exclude mode... time to RTFM of Fblit! :P

25 February 2009, 05:30	#1
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	A1200: Graphic corruption on Workbench I'm getting this: A1200 1D.1, Microbotics XA1230 030@50+68882@50+64MB, KS3.0, DCE sd/ff 64MB tested and passed all tests, so it's not that (unless it's wrong memory speed, I set it at 70ns) Only seems to be happening on Workbench... "Insert disk balhbalh"requesters also have some slight gfx corruption. Problem seems to be inside windows (corrupted ASL library?) I am running Visualprefs, Fblit and NewIcons. Perhaps its one of those? But it didnt use to happen. Also, on WinUAE, it doesnt happen, using the same config. Any clues?

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25 February 2009, 08:15	#2
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	Have you tried without SD/FF? Or do you have another accelerator card to test it with?

25 February 2009, 09:17	#3
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	try editing out FBlit from your Startup-sequence.

25 February 2009, 15:43	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I'll try it without SD/FF and without FBlit, then report here! ISsue is, after a few times of closing and opening again this app, I get a recoverable alert, and then a system freeze.

25 February 2009, 16:05	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	It's still doing it without the SD/FF This looks like a typical case of memory corruption, but I ran a test on the memory yesterday, and it passed all tests. Could it be the memory speed I set it at? How do I know what speed my stick is?

25 February 2009, 16:41	#6
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Still talking to myself here.. :P When booting *without a startup sequence", it runs OK. So there's something there messing it up.

25 February 2009, 16:46	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	More talking to myself!!!!!!!!!! It's something to do with IPrefs. I commented it out and no more corruption. Some of the settings I have must be corrupting memory. Stuff running from startup sequence: PatchControl PatchOpenWB FBlit IPrefs ConClip Visualprefs CAPrefs

25 February 2009, 17:04	#8
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Things on my WBStartup: MULTI CX RTPatch MagicMenu ToolManager

25 February 2009, 17:07	#9
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	This may sound stupid? but have you tried cleaning all the contacts on the memory simm and the Microbotics card? My expansion board was very glitchy when i first installed it but worked fine after cleaning all the connectors with Isopropyl (rubbing alcohol) and cotton buds..... it cleaned off all sorts of micro-crap and then worked fine ..... Just a suggestion

25 February 2009, 17:24	#10
twizzle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: taunton.som.uk Age: 73 Posts: 681	Could it be the memory speed I set it at? How do I know what speed my stick is?[/quote] its on the chips marked as xxxx-6 or 60 xxxxx-70 also on the sticker , if theres is 1.

25 February 2009, 20:02	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	It can't be the contacts because, as I said (read all my babble please ), WHEN I DISABLE IPREFS everything works fine. So something is conflicting with IPrefs, or IPrefs is corrupt, or something.

25 February 2009, 20:23	#12
fc.studio Cat lover Join Date: May 2004 Location: Italy Age: 54 Posts: 804	I report here what I found in Amiga resources: - under Kickstart 3.1 the RAM is autoconfigured, under 3.0 it's configured by software Your picture above shows a configuration utility, but are you sure that the configuration software is executed in the startup-sequence? I hope this can help you.

26 February 2009, 14:48	#13
Lips2k8 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: wolverhampton Posts: 51	hi there - I have the same accelorator in my 1200 and used to have the same problem... I fixed it by doing two things - First up I tried the doing the timing fixes to my motherboard, that fixed the random crashing problem I was having but still had courpt graphics on the XA config program... so the second thing I did was look for an alternative config program on aminet - AUTOXA is the tool I found. I use that in my WBstartup drawer and everything is fine. I am guessing that original config tool is buggy and causes conflicts or issues somehow.

03 March 2009, 17:25	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	I saw some graphic corruption in SYSTEM REQUESTERS TOO, not just that software. As I reported, the problems go away when I disable IPrefs. Also, AutoXA is only for adding memory to the system, NOT for setting up the card's configuration. There's no replacement for that.

03 March 2009, 17:33	#15
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	would have thought thats all you would need it for.

03 March 2009, 21:32	#16
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Huh?

03 March 2009, 21:51	#17
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	adding ram...it's not like the 030 needs special configuration.

03 March 2009, 22:33	#18
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	It's for specifying the RAM's speed and the FPU type and speed, as well as other bits and bobs. The question of this thread has no relevance to the setup tool anyway, I said I saw graphical corruption on a system requester too, after iPrefs is loaded. Any help??????

09 March 2009, 21:20	#19
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	@Akira: I use to have the 1230XA, myself. It is a great card with capacity to use up to 128Mb SIMM (which I had, too ). I also had the same graphic corruption using FBlit and other Fast-RAM patches. I cure the problems doing the hardware mods (Ian pointed the mods to >=040 CPU and 1D3 boards onwards) and running Fblit in exclude mode to avoid SETXA graphics on fast-mem. When I changed the 3.1 ROM to a custom made 3.9 all problems was solved for good.

09 March 2009, 22:02	#20
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Rkauer, I will need help from you on this. I will have to investigate that exclude mode... time to RTFM of Fblit! :P

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