Virtual Karting wrong colors.... (whdload version)

keropi · 02 March 2005, 13:10

I just tried virtual karting (whdload) and the playfield colors are messed up... wtf? speed, ranking and all other info, seem to be the correct color...

TheBoss · 02 March 2005, 13:46

Cool a cyberpunk version of VK!

killergorilla · 02 March 2005, 14:21

Yeah I know, I mentioned this in these threads:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...irtual+karting

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...irtual+karting

Happens on winuae and my real amiga.

keropi · 02 March 2005, 14:24

Ah, now I remeber kg.... no solution yet?

MSC · 02 March 2005, 16:56

See also here:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...hlight=karting

although no one seemed to have an answer.

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 22:08

Does anyone has a new solution for wrong colors on this game???
Do we have to set a SuperHiRes screenmode to play ????
What is the trick to have the good graphics????
If anyone has played this game with good colors with HD install or WHDLoad install in WinUAE or real Amiga , please show us your configuration

Thanks

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 22:21

No idea. One of the other threads gave the impression that the game never worked properly and the screenshots in HOL are from some special archive of images, not from it actually running...

viddi · 23 October 2006, 22:22

Hey!
It must be played on a RGB-monitor or TV.
I have problems with my PIV, but it works fine on RGB. (both monitors are plugged in at once)

Has something to do with the black pixel technique.

Toni Wilen · 23 October 2006, 22:33

Games that use shres-"smoothing"-trick need "filtered lo-res" option enabled in WinUAE or colors look really weird.

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 22:45

But does the same colour problem happened on a real Amiga?????
That's the question.............

Because in fact, this game can be run on a CD32 (enough memory) and i want to run it but the problem is i don't know if i have to do a special startup-sequence to have good graphics (i mean add some screenmode or anything else)

So my question is now

:
Can Virtual Karting can be run on a stock A1200 and what's the preferences needed to run it with good graphics

Thanks a lot for helping me

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 22:47

Yes the same problem does happen on my Amiga, I don't have an RGB lead though so I can't test if the above comment about working through RGB works fine.

Shit programming if you ask me.

viddi · 23 October 2006, 22:49

It needs nothing more but a A1200. If you get some Fastram...Great!

Of course, the color "problem" appears on real hardware.
(on my A4000 and A1200)

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 22:50

So.. it doesn't actually "work" properly. The graphics are ugly as hell.

viddi · 23 October 2006, 22:53

Yes!
Isn´t it possible to change colors in a WHDload version?
Maybe it´s just inverted?!

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 22:55

So you are saying it can have non-corrupted graphics on a real amiga if you use an RGB lead?

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 22:55

But it happened with the installation program on the floppy too, not just for the WHDLOAD version!!!!!
Shit programming you said???

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 22:57

I tried the whdload, the floppy, the CD versions all in WinUAE (without the advice Toni gives above) and I tried them all on my real A1200 with standard composite video, all gave shitty graphics.

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 23:00

I have noticed that the game screen is anormaly down on the monitor
Do you think it's about the screen mode which is not correct ( and can cause ugly graphics indeed)

viddi · 23 October 2006, 23:04

It´s because of this black pixel thing!!

But colors are right with e.g. 1084 monitor.

It´s not bad programming, it´s the kind of technique used to get 24-30 fps on a A1200.

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 23:04

For me, i don't have the purple colors like the screen on the begining of the thread but just a Yellow/Green sceen like the screens you take KG

viddi · 23 October 2006, 23:06

So bad I don´t have my DigiCam around.
I could post a pic of my A4000 running VK II with VGA and RGB-Monitor displaying at once.

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 23:07

OK Viddi, so perhaps on a CD32 with composite output the colors can be fine?????
What do you think of it??
Or have we to use RGB and no other else to play this game????

killergorilla · 23 October 2006, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by viddi

It´s because of this black pixel thing!!

But colors are right with e.g. 1084 monitor.

It´s not bad programming, it´s the kind of technique used to get 24-30 fps on a A1200.

Well I consider it bad programming as it refuses to work without looking like crap on my Amiga

Rochabian · 23 October 2006, 23:13

I Have to test this game on my real french CD32 to resolve the issue

But i just have the composite output working, my SVHS output cable is dead.....
Perhaps it will work......
Let me see...

viddi · 23 October 2006, 23:14

Haven´t tried it on CD32.

I think composite won´t work as well.
Please test it and tell us.

Good night.

alexh · 24 October 2006, 01:24

I had this game on my A4000 and it worked as in the screenshots on HOL. I'll see if I can fire it up again.

adolescent · 24 October 2006, 17:54

I tried, and had the same problem, on my A1200. I use RGB, but through a DCE SD/FF.

viddi · 25 October 2006, 06:52

But SD/FF converts RGB signal to VGA, so bad luck.

Is it possible to hack colors for a WHDload version to play VK I and II through GFXcards?

JonSick · 25 October 2006, 14:36

Hey guys - I've tried this out.

On the A1200, if I have my accelerator in, it works fine. Out, I get messed up graphics, exactly as above.

Weirdness! GLAD I have the disks :O)

Rochabian · 27 October 2006, 21:52

I've just tested the game on my CD32 and the colors are great!!!!!!!
I've used the composite output plugged on a TV and it worked

UAE really don't seems to be able to emulate this game......

I don't know about WHDLOAD because i can't use it on my CD32......(not enough memory)

blade002 · 28 October 2006, 14:01

I ran this game on my A1200 when it was released and it ran fine on mine way back then. Even with no accelerator with one plugged in later on, it still ran perfectly alright. I was using a Phillips monitor back then.. Never a problem.

Toni Wilen · 29 October 2006, 10:49

Virtual Karting or Virtual Karting 2? (I don't see VK1 WHDLoad install anywhere..)

Quote:

UAE really don't seems to be able to emulate this game......

So it is UAE's fault that it does not work on some real Amigas either? Ok...

viddi · 29 October 2006, 10:59

It´s not a configuration problem (real or emu).

So, to all WHDload coders out there:

Is it possible to do color hacking on WHDload version?
As you can see some elements (with no black pixel tech.) on the screen are displayed right. (e.g.: position counter)

Can each black pixel turned into a DISPLAYED pixel?
(Tell the proggi to display the left or right used pixel on the closest black pixel part?!)

Ironclaw · 29 October 2006, 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

So it is UAE's fault that it does not work on some real Amigas either? Ok...

Hehehe

.... good reply Toni.

killergorilla · 29 October 2006, 13:24

I have a feeling this thread may be confusing itself...

I've been talking about Virtual Karting 2...

I've never played or seen VK1 running...

Rochabian · 02 November 2006, 19:59

It's VK1 which runs well on a CD32.....
VK2 needs to much memory for a CD32 but it's surely the same colour problem with VK2, as it uses the same rendering....

killergorilla · 02 November 2006, 20:38

Well I've personally never played the 1st one as it doesn't have a whdload but I was talking about the 2nd

They probably do use the same rendering though so you're probably bang on!

viddi · 02 November 2006, 21:55

@ killergorilla:

They do!

Legerdemain · 05 November 2006, 17:24

Not that this might add anything of value to the thread, since much seems to have been said already, though, anyways... Virtual Karting II v1.0 runs fine here on my A1200 equiped with a Blizzard 1230 with RGB-scart connected to my 1084.

Edit: but now I see that viddi already has mentioned that it would work nice with RGB.

vroom6sri · 15 December 2006, 09:46

Has anyone had any joy with getting Virtual Karting 2 working in WinUAE?

02 March 2005, 13:10	#1
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	Virtual Karting wrong colors.... (whdload version) I just tried virtual karting (whdload) and the playfield colors are messed up... wtf? speed, ranking and all other info, seem to be the correct color... Attached Thumbnails __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

02 March 2005, 13:46	#2
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 31 Posts: 819	Cool a cyberpunk version of VK! __________________ For Amiga Fans! (CDTV/CD32) Custom CD32 Cover Archive! (Offline) Hardware: Amiga 500 & CD32/SX32 Pro (50MHz 030+FPU,16MB, CF-HD 1GB)

02 March 2005, 14:21	#3
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	Yeah I know, I mentioned this in these threads: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...irtual+karting http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...irtual+karting Happens on winuae and my real amiga. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

02 March 2005, 14:24	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	Ah, now I remeber kg.... no solution yet? __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

23 October 2006, 22:21	#7
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	No idea. One of the other threads gave the impression that the game never worked properly and the screenshots in HOL are from some special archive of images, not from it actually running... __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

02 March 2005, 16:56	#5
MSC Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Age: 41 Posts: 137	See also here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...hlight=karting although no one seemed to have an answer.

23 October 2006, 22:08	#6
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	Does anyone has a new solution for wrong colors on this game??? Do we have to set a SuperHiRes screenmode to play ???? What is the trick to have the good graphics???? If anyone has played this game with good colors with HD install or WHDLoad install in WinUAE or real Amiga , please show us your configuration Thanks

23 October 2006, 22:22	#8
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	Hey! It must be played on a RGB-monitor or TV. I have problems with my PIV, but it works fine on RGB. (both monitors are plugged in at once) Has something to do with the black pixel technique.

23 October 2006, 22:33	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 38 Posts: 11,938	Games that use shres-"smoothing"-trick need "filtered lo-res" option enabled in WinUAE or colors look really weird.

23 October 2006, 22:45	#10
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	But does the same colour problem happened on a real Amiga????? That's the question............. Because in fact, this game can be run on a CD32 (enough memory) and i want to run it but the problem is i don't know if i have to do a special startup-sequence to have good graphics (i mean add some screenmode or anything else) So my question is now : Can Virtual Karting can be run on a stock A1200 and what's the preferences needed to run it with good graphics Thanks a lot for helping me

23 October 2006, 22:47	#11
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	Yes the same problem does happen on my Amiga, I don't have an RGB lead though so I can't test if the above comment about working through RGB works fine. Shit programming if you ask me. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

23 October 2006, 22:49	#12
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	It needs nothing more but a A1200. If you get some Fastram...Great! Of course, the color "problem" appears on real hardware. (on my A4000 and A1200)

23 October 2006, 22:50	#13
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	So.. it doesn't actually "work" properly. The graphics are ugly as hell. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

23 October 2006, 22:53	#14
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	Yes! Isn´t it possible to change colors in a WHDload version? Maybe it´s just inverted?!

23 October 2006, 22:55	#15
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	So you are saying it can have non-corrupted graphics on a real amiga if you use an RGB lead? __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

23 October 2006, 22:57	#17
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	I tried the whdload, the floppy, the CD versions all in WinUAE (without the advice Toni gives above) and I tried them all on my real A1200 with standard composite video, all gave shitty graphics. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

23 October 2006, 23:00	#18
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	I have noticed that the game screen is anormaly down on the monitor Do you think it's about the screen mode which is not correct ( and can cause ugly graphics indeed)

23 October 2006, 23:04	#19
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	It´s because of this black pixel thing!! But colors are right with e.g. 1084 monitor. It´s not bad programming, it´s the kind of technique used to get 24-30 fps on a A1200.

23 October 2006, 23:06	#21
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	So bad I don´t have my DigiCam around. I could post a pic of my A4000 running VK II with VGA and RGB-Monitor displaying at once.

23 October 2006, 23:07	#22
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	OK Viddi, so perhaps on a CD32 with composite output the colors can be fine????? What do you think of it?? Or have we to use RGB and no other else to play this game????

23 October 2006, 23:13	#24
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	I Have to test this game on my real french CD32 to resolve the issue But i just have the composite output working, my SVHS output cable is dead..... Perhaps it will work...... Let me see...

23 October 2006, 23:14	#25
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	Haven´t tried it on CD32. I think composite won´t work as well. Please test it and tell us. Good night.

24 October 2006, 01:24	#26
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,506	I had this game on my A4000 and it worked as in the screenshots on HOL. I'll see if I can fire it up again. __________________ Thalion Webshrine

24 October 2006, 17:54	#27
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 1,056	I tried, and had the same problem, on my A1200. I use RGB, but through a DCE SD/FF.

25 October 2006, 06:52	#28
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	But SD/FF converts RGB signal to VGA, so bad luck. Is it possible to hack colors for a WHDload version to play VK I and II through GFXcards?

25 October 2006, 14:36	#29
JonSick Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 218	Hey guys - I've tried this out. On the A1200, if I have my accelerator in, it works fine. Out, I get messed up graphics, exactly as above. Weirdness! GLAD I have the disks :O)

27 October 2006, 21:52	#30
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	I've just tested the game on my CD32 and the colors are great!!!!!!! I've used the composite output plugged on a TV and it worked UAE really don't seems to be able to emulate this game...... I don't know about WHDLOAD because i can't use it on my CD32......(not enough memory)

28 October 2006, 14:01	#31
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 39 Posts: 2,314	I ran this game on my A1200 when it was released and it ran fine on mine way back then. Even with no accelerator with one plugged in later on, it still ran perfectly alright. I was using a Phillips monitor back then.. Never a problem.

29 October 2006, 10:59	#33
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	It´s not a configuration problem (real or emu). So, to all WHDload coders out there: Is it possible to do color hacking on WHDload version? As you can see some elements (with no black pixel tech.) on the screen are displayed right. (e.g.: position counter) Can each black pixel turned into a DISPLAYED pixel? (Tell the proggi to display the left or right used pixel on the closest black pixel part?!)

29 October 2006, 13:24	#35
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	I have a feeling this thread may be confusing itself... I've been talking about Virtual Karting 2... I've never played or seen VK1 running... __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

02 November 2006, 19:59	#36
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 33 Posts: 398	It's VK1 which runs well on a CD32..... VK2 needs to much memory for a CD32 but it's surely the same colour problem with VK2, as it uses the same rendering....

02 November 2006, 20:38	#37
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,888	Well I've personally never played the 1st one as it doesn't have a whdload but I was talking about the 2nd They probably do use the same rendering though so you're probably bang on! __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

02 November 2006, 21:55	#38
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 3,032	@ killergorilla: They do!

05 November 2006, 17:24	#39
Legerdemain Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Umeå / Sweden Posts: 188	Not that this might add anything of value to the thread, since much seems to have been said already, though, anyways... Virtual Karting II v1.0 runs fine here on my A1200 equiped with a Blizzard 1230 with RGB-scart connected to my 1084. Edit: but now I see that viddi already has mentioned that it would work nice with RGB.

15 December 2006, 09:46	#40
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 36 Posts: 409	Has anyone had any joy with getting Virtual Karting 2 working in WinUAE?