Assassin - Freeze / Crash

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 21:05

Hi Toni,

I was going to put this under the support.Games section but after a few hours of testing, I think it could be a WinUAE issue.

Last night I was playing Assassin; near the end of the 1st stage the game freezes / crashes at roughly this point:

I was using this set:

Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf

Thought I'd check GameBase Amiga and the same is used...

Today I proceeded to test all other disk 1 .ADFs and the same issue occurred i.e:

Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +4 Triangle 3532].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Two Live Crew][t +4 Two Live Crew].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr][t +3 Sphinx - Sharks].adf

Ok, maybe bad cracks so I then tested with the .IPFs and the same thing occurred

Also tried numerous Quickstarts / settings:

A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Agnus, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM
A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Agnus, 1MB Chip RAM
A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Denise, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM (this graphics issue is also present: Assassin Special Edition GFX Glitches)
A500 - 1.3 ROM, OCS, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM (this graphics issue is also present: Assassin Special Edition GFX Glitches)

Attached are WinUAE logs and a save state just before the issue.

Once the save state is loaded, you just need to go up to the first area and then run left for the crash / freeze to occur.

Toni Wilen · 22 July 2019, 21:39

I have no idea what is "first area". I tried going all possible directions, no crash.

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 21:50

All you have to do is load the save state, where you've started on the left hand wall, go straight up, then left at the first platform and run over those bombs you see in the screenshot.

Edit: typical, just loaded the save state twice and it didn't occur; loaded the third time and it did though.

Before making this post I tested the game 8 times (with all different disk 1 .ADFs and the .IPFs) and then some; playing from scratch everytime and without any trainer options set.

Toni Wilen · 22 July 2019, 22:02

Still can't duplicate, I tried about 5 times. Tried changing config (cycle exact on/off etc..). "Going left" probably needs some specific timing, enemies in specific positions etc.

Sounds like game bug that corrupts code (exception 3 in your log) if something happens exactly at wrong time.

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 22:09

Just played again from scratch; this time made another save state once on the platform so all you need to do is run left past the bombs.

...tested loading the save state 10 times and everytime it crashed.

Also, this is the software failure you see after the freeze / crash:

Hope this helps?

ross · 22 July 2019, 22:13

Hi Damien, with CE I've no crash.

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

Hi Damien, with CE I've no crash.

Oh shite...

Obviously I always have "Cycle-exact (Full)" ticked for any A500 games; that's the rule to follow

Just looked at the configuration file and for some reason it was left off

...in my defence, I must have configured / tested this game back in 2005 - 2007 sometime. Still no reason for this to be unticked though.

Will now retest again numerous times with "Cycle-exact (Full)" ticked and report back.

ross · 22 July 2019, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

...in my defence...

In your defense is that the game is bugged

Cheers!

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 22:48

Yeah, I know this game (and Special Edition) are bugged as hell. You only have to look at the WHDLoad related threads e.g: Assassin Special Edition - patch V3.0 crash

Anyway, set "Cycle-exact (Full)" as I usually would, tested the game 3 times and completed the 1st level without issues

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity ross.

DamienD · 22 July 2019, 23:32

LOL, the only bug I get with "Cycle-exact (Full)" set is after completing the mission and when the bonus counts up:

Anyway, not a big deal...

Edit: just tested and this also happens with "Cycle-exact (Full)" unticked so...

DamienD · 23 July 2019, 00:40

The above doesn't happen when using the .IPFs and the exact same configuration:

...but the game is too difficult to play without a trainer so I'll live with that

Retro-Nerd · 23 July 2019, 00:58

There is a Infinite Energy cheat. Never tried it though.

http://hol.abime.net/3325/cheatcode

dlfrsilver · 23 July 2019, 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

LOL, the only bug I get with "Cycle-exact (Full)" set is after completing the mission and when the bonus counts up:

Anyway, not a big deal...

Edit: just tested and this also happens with "Cycle-exact (Full)" unticked so...

Disk images are corrupted. I had assassin crystal version back in the day, and it had this graphic corruption.

That s why the IPF do not have this problem.

ross · 23 July 2019, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

There is a Infinite Energy cheat. Never tried it though.

On the first level, climb the left side of the first tree you come to, climb to the very top. Now press ‘P’ to pause the game and type “ACEVIEWFROMUPHEREMATE” and the screens border will flash. Unpause the game..

Yep, this works (I know it because last evening I've dissected the IRQ code, I wasn't sure where I was supposed to go

).
Actually there is no need to pause the game because is only the position on the map that trigger the check.

Mclane · 23 July 2019, 14:56

Lol...You have to love game coders humour

As for you Damien, kiddy mistake with the CE being off.....Must do better

Seriously, thanks for the pack updates, your inbox is almost always full

Thread hijack over...

DamienD · 23 July 2019, 20:12

Tested these .ADFs also without using any trainer options and they all suffer from the corrupt bonus count up screen also:

Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +32 Backlash].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Two Live Crew][t +4 Two Live Crew].adf
Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr][t +3 Sphinx - Sharks].adf

So seems all the .ADFs have this issue...

Thread also move from the support.WinUAE section to the support.Games section.

DamienD · 23 July 2019, 21:11

If some talented cracker / coder wants to fix this corrupt bonus count up screen; I'd imagine it should be relatively easy to do

Please fix either of these .ADFs:

Galahad/FLT · 23 July 2019, 22:23

I just tried Assassin Disk 1 Cr CSL Trained ATX and IPF Disk 2 and it fixes the graphics corruption, so the bad graphics are on disk two.

So just image disk 2 of the IPF, using DIC in the WHDLoad package, when it detects the Copylock track on disk 2, just skip it and try that.

Just checked out the protection and its quite possibly one of the WORST implementations i've ever seen!

DamienD · 23 July 2019, 22:29

Thanks Galahad, I didn't notice that Disk 2 was accessed when loading the bonus count up screen but will check immediately.

...so I'll try using a cracked / trained .ADF with the Disk 2 .IPF

As I only emulate, I'm happy using this combination

ross · 23 July 2019, 22:33

I too had tried IPF and it worked so I thought it was a wrong disk 2.
But after I also tried Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf (MD5:E6A49E05C4278B0E2E1656BE4265200F) and it still works.

So Damien, I don't know where the problem is for you.

Galahad have you tried Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf?

Both Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].zip and Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +32 Backlash].zip
work with this disk2.

EDIT: I don't know if it makes a difference, but I used the cheat mode to finish the level

22 July 2019, 21:05	#1
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Assassin - Freeze / Crash Hi Toni, I was going to put this under the support.Games section but after a few hours of testing, I think it could be a WinUAE issue. Last night I was playing Assassin; near the end of the 1st stage the game freezes / crashes at roughly this point: I was using this set: Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf Thought I'd check GameBase Amiga and the same is used... Today I proceeded to test all other disk 1 .ADFs and the same issue occurred i.e: Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +4 Triangle 3532].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Two Live Crew][t +4 Two Live Crew].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr][t +3 Sphinx - Sharks].adf Ok, maybe bad cracks so I then tested with the .IPFs and the same thing occurred Also tried numerous Quickstarts / settings: A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Agnus, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Agnus, 1MB Chip RAM A500 - 1.3 ROM, ECS Denise, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM (this graphics issue is also present: Assassin Special Edition GFX Glitches) A500 - 1.3 ROM, OCS, 512KB Chip & 512KB Slow RAM (this graphics issue is also present: Assassin Special Edition GFX Glitches) Attached are WinUAE logs and a save state just before the issue. Once the save state is loaded, you just need to go up to the first area and then run left for the crash / freeze to occur. Last edited by DamienD; 22 July 2019 at 22:55.

22 July 2019, 21:50	#3
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	All you have to do is load the save state, where you've started on the left hand wall, go straight up, then left at the first platform and run over those bombs you see in the screenshot. Edit: typical, just loaded the save state twice and it didn't occur; loaded the third time and it did though. Before making this post I tested the game 8 times (with all different disk 1 .ADFs and the .IPFs) and then some; playing from scratch everytime and without any trainer options set. Last edited by DamienD; 22 July 2019 at 21:57.

22 July 2019, 22:09	#5
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Just played again from scratch; this time made another save state once on the platform so all you need to do is run left past the bombs. ...tested loading the save state 10 times and everytime it crashed. Also, this is the software failure you see after the freeze / crash: Hope this helps? Last edited by DamienD; 22 July 2019 at 22:55.

22 July 2019, 22:13	#6
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	Hi Damien, with CE I've no crash. Last edited by ross; 22 July 2019 at 22:31. Reason: edited the edit :D

22 July 2019, 23:32	#10
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	LOL, the only bug I get with "Cycle-exact (Full)" set is after completing the mission and when the bonus counts up: Anyway, not a big deal... Edit: just tested and this also happens with "Cycle-exact (Full)" unticked so... Last edited by DamienD; 23 July 2019 at 00:12.

22 July 2019, 21:39	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,510	I have no idea what is "first area". I tried going all possible directions, no crash.

22 July 2019, 22:02	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,510	Still can't duplicate, I tried about 5 times. Tried changing config (cycle exact on/off etc..). "Going left" probably needs some specific timing, enemies in specific positions etc. Sounds like game bug that corrupts code (exception 3 in your log) if something happens exactly at wrong time.

22 July 2019, 22:48	#9
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Yeah, I know this game (and Special Edition) are bugged as hell. You only have to look at the WHDLoad related threads e.g: Assassin Special Edition - patch V3.0 crash Anyway, set "Cycle-exact (Full)" as I usually would, tested the game 3 times and completed the 1st level without issues Thanks for pointing out my stupidity ross.

23 July 2019, 00:40	#11
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	The above doesn't happen when using the .IPFs and the exact same configuration: ...but the game is too difficult to play without a trainer so I'll live with that

23 July 2019, 00:58	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	There is a Infinite Energy cheat. Never tried it though. http://hol.abime.net/3325/cheatcode

23 July 2019, 14:56	#15
Mclane Old retro god. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northolt, West London Age: 62 Posts: 857	Lol...You have to love game coders humour As for you Damien, kiddy mistake with the CE being off.....Must do better Seriously, thanks for the pack updates, your inbox is almost always full Thread hijack over...

23 July 2019, 20:12	#16
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Tested these .ADFs also without using any trainer options and they all suffer from the corrupt bonus count up screen also: Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +32 Backlash].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr Two Live Crew][t +4 Two Live Crew].adf Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr][t +3 Sphinx - Sharks].adf So seems all the .ADFs have this issue... Thread also move from the support.WinUAE section to the support.Games section. Last edited by DamienD; 23 July 2019 at 20:55.

23 July 2019, 21:11	#17
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	If some talented cracker / coder wants to fix this corrupt bonus count up screen; I'd imagine it should be relatively easy to do Please fix either of these .ADFs: Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].zip Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +32 Backlash].zip

23 July 2019, 22:23	#18
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	I just tried Assassin Disk 1 Cr CSL Trained ATX and IPF Disk 2 and it fixes the graphics corruption, so the bad graphics are on disk two. So just image disk 2 of the IPF, using DIC in the WHDLoad package, when it detects the Copylock track on disk 2, just skip it and try that. Just checked out the protection and its quite possibly one of the WORST implementations i've ever seen!

23 July 2019, 22:29	#19
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Thanks Galahad, I didn't notice that Disk 2 was accessed when loading the bonus count up screen but will check immediately. ...so I'll try using a cracked / trained .ADF with the Disk 2 .IPF As I only emulate, I'm happy using this combination

23 July 2019, 22:33	#20
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	I too had tried IPF and it worked so I thought it was a wrong disk 2. But after I also tried Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf (MD5:E6A49E05C4278B0E2E1656BE4265200F) and it still works. So Damien, I don't know where the problem is for you. Galahad have you tried Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 2 of 2)[cr CSL].adf? Both Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +13 ATX].zip and Assassin (1992)(Team 17)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr CSL][t +32 Backlash].zip work with this disk2. EDIT: I don't know if it makes a difference, but I used the cheat mode to finish the level Last edited by ross; 23 July 2019 at 22:45.

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