What do you think was the most sophisticated/technically impressive Amiga flight sim? - Page 3

vroom6sri · 27 March 2019, 19:07

I’ve just looked that up on YouTube as I’d never heard of it until now. It looks good but where can we get it from?

zipper · 27 March 2019, 20:47

Seems to be on the server, 4 disks.

vroom6sri · 27 March 2019, 22:29

Which server would that be please? I thought you meant The Zone but I couldn't see it there.

lilalurl · 27 March 2019, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by vroom6sri

Which server would that be please? I thought you meant The Zone but I couldn't see it there.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43633

vroom6sri · 28 March 2019, 08:09

Ah! Many, MANY thanks. Got it.

Hewitson · 28 March 2019, 10:21

I know what was one of the least impressive. MiG-29 Fulcrum.

gimbal · 28 March 2019, 14:36

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Originally Posted by Hewitson

I know what was one of the least impressive. MiG-29 Fulcrum.

Nah it's great if you like looking at three color abstract images moving at 2 frames per second.

vroom6sri · 28 March 2019, 22:52

Well first impressions are that Jet Pilot has to be acknowledged as an impressive looking flight sim although I think TFX actually runs smoother on my system.

BrooksterMax · 29 March 2019, 11:05

TFX is an obvious candidate but I played it on PC. For me at the time on the Amiga, I thought Combat Air Patrol was pretty smart on many levels.

However the game I still return to a lot is Knights of the Sky. Is it maybe not technically impressive but has great atmosphere and game mechanics. It is a game I still return to today, but never really any other 16 bit era flight sim.

Angus · 02 September 2019, 15:56

It's obviously personal but Falcon was great for ground attack, and the first mission disk had some cool air to air missions, the dogfight feeling was great generally.

I think F29 was gorgeous to look at and generated massive pre-release excitement but when the game finally arrived, the collision detection on the hills actually used a rectangular area and the ships changed course in horrible jumps. There were a wealth of other annoyances that let it down for me.

Reach for the Skies is hugely overlooked and had some exciting dogfight moments that I'm not sure have been bettered on the Miggy. Even Amiga (I'd sooner be playing console games) Power gave it a great review. :-)

My friend loved F16 Combat Pilot, not least because you could play a campaign and have great freedom in your choice of strategy.

A couple of space games deserve a mention - Warhead and Shuttle.

You might want to check these reviews out:

http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/FlightSim.html

Shatterhand · 02 September 2019, 16:21

Quote:

However the game I still return to a lot is Knights of the Sky. Is it maybe not technically impressive but has great atmosphere and game mechanics. It is a game I still return to today, but never really any other 16 bit era flight sim.

I was reading through the thread and I thought no one was going to mention it.

Probably not the most sophisticated Flight Sim ever. But I've never been into Flight Sims and I loved Knights of the Sky. Very fun game to play.

dlfrsilver · 02 September 2019, 17:19

the most ? Tornado AGA from Digital Integration for me, and by far.

02 September 2019, 18:07

For me, it was simply Knights of the Sky, as I didn't like the jet fighter sims, yeah im probably in the minority lol.
But KotS was an amazing game for me and I put a lot of time into it.

XPD · 03 September 2019, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by xubidoo

For me, it was simply Knights of the Sky, as I didn't like the jet fighter sims, yeah im probably in the minority lol.
But KotS was an amazing game for me and I put a lot of time into it.

Oh hell yes, spent way too many hours in that

Even played against friends via modem/null modem, that was fun

Anubis · 04 September 2019, 13:21

IMHO who ever thought that spinning code wheel before every mission in F/A-18 was good idea should never been close to game programming.

I played Gunship 2000 a lot, and only because I had HD at the time. Without it it would be too much work to get it going with 4 disks.

Soon after Amiga Jane's simulations just pointed how poor Amiga was in this department for mid 90's.

piesel · 08 September 2019, 16:10

I deeply loved Falcon and F-18 Interceptor, at the time they gave me an exciting sense of speed, those external views were amazing.

paul1981 · 24 September 2019, 13:20

AV8B Harrier Assault for me is the best. You can control as much or little of the campaign as you like. Make sure you actually start the campaign though or none the enemies will appear and you'll be flying around on the CAP missions thinking 'where's the enemy'? (Go to the map, left CRT on opening screen and select 'GO' to start the campaign).
Flight model is top notch. It supports analog joystick too if you have one (select control method from menu once in the cockpit). If you heavily arm your aircraft you can definitely feel the weight! When flak explodes very near to you it nudges your aircraft accordingly depending upon where the shell exploded. You can fly around with an engine fire too, but not for long.
If you like you can arm your aircraft with whatever you like and just go on a 'CAP' mission...but really just go anywhere you want and try and destroy all the enemies on the whole island (good luck with that).

Graphics aren't that good, but it's made up for with a good immersive simulation. I believe it's an early FST (Flight Sim Toolkit) engine. I remember as a kid swapping the harrier model on the disk with some of the others from the game by renaming the files, and I'm sure I flew the C130!

I few years ago I compared the WHDLoad installed version with the original version installed onto hard disk via it's own installer and I discovered the WHDLoad version had a much lower frame rate. This was on an A600 with an ACA620. The original ran really smooth on this setup.

Angus · 24 September 2019, 20:02

If AV8B runs slow with WHDLoad, maybe report it. Its a Psygore patch and he was a great patcher and a very nice chap.

I accept what you say about the gameplay/strategy but it's not bery sophisticated graphically/3D wise. It was after all a 1992 game? In that regard it's not a patch on Falcon (also patched by Psygore) which was 1989. On the strategy side of things you might appreciate F16 Combat Pilot.

005AGIMA · 25 September 2019, 04:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by xubidoo

For me, it was simply Knights of the Sky, as I didn't like the jet fighter sims, yeah im probably in the minority lol.
But KotS was an amazing game for me and I put a lot of time into it.

You're not in the minority at all I'm sure.

I loved the Jet sims but they ALL (imho) lacked decent dog fights.

It was all about shooting a dot with a locked on missile.

KotS was of course, all about close up dog fighting.

And the flight physics were outstanding. Being able to pull up, stall out, kick in some rudder, and slide out of the stall facing the opposite direction....ah so so good.

You really felt like you were man-handling a vintage under-powered flying go-kart....but in a good way.

BIG tick for KotS.

Angus · 25 September 2019, 22:20

I agree KotS was a great game, but there is very nice dogfighting in Falcon - particuarly the first mission disk against the MiG 29 Fulcrum, and the interceptions in the second mission disk are very cool too.

27 March 2019, 19:07	#41
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	I’ve just looked that up on YouTube as I’d never heard of it until now. It looks good but where can we get it from? Last edited by vroom6sri; 27 March 2019 at 19:26.

08 September 2019, 16:10	#56
piesel Registered User Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Italy Posts: 18	I deeply loved Falcon and F-18 Interceptor, at the time they gave me an exciting sense of speed, those external views were amazing. Last edited by piesel; 25 September 2019 at 11:06.

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27 March 2019, 20:47	#42
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,838	Seems to be on the server, 4 disks.

27 March 2019, 22:29	#43
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	Which server would that be please? I thought you meant The Zone but I couldn't see it there.

28 March 2019, 08:09	#45
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	Ah! Many, MANY thanks. Got it.

28 March 2019, 10:21	#46
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,773	I know what was one of the least impressive. MiG-29 Fulcrum.

28 March 2019, 22:52	#48
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 845	Well first impressions are that Jet Pilot has to be acknowledged as an impressive looking flight sim although I think TFX actually runs smoother on my system.

29 March 2019, 11:05	#49
BrooksterMax Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norfolk UK Age: 43 Posts: 433	TFX is an obvious candidate but I played it on PC. For me at the time on the Amiga, I thought Combat Air Patrol was pretty smart on many levels. However the game I still return to a lot is Knights of the Sky. Is it maybe not technically impressive but has great atmosphere and game mechanics. It is a game I still return to today, but never really any other 16 bit era flight sim.

02 September 2019, 15:56	#50
Angus Amiga Games Database Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South West England Posts: 1,253	It's obviously personal but Falcon was great for ground attack, and the first mission disk had some cool air to air missions, the dogfight feeling was great generally. I think F29 was gorgeous to look at and generated massive pre-release excitement but when the game finally arrived, the collision detection on the hills actually used a rectangular area and the ships changed course in horrible jumps. There were a wealth of other annoyances that let it down for me. Reach for the Skies is hugely overlooked and had some exciting dogfight moments that I'm not sure have been bettered on the Miggy. Even Amiga (I'd sooner be playing console games) Power gave it a great review. :-) My friend loved F16 Combat Pilot, not least because you could play a campaign and have great freedom in your choice of strategy. A couple of space games deserve a mention - Warhead and Shuttle. You might want to check these reviews out: http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/FlightSim.html

02 September 2019, 17:19	#52
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,421	the most ? Tornado AGA from Digital Integration for me, and by far.

02 September 2019, 18:07	#53
xubidoo Posts: n/a	For me, it was simply Knights of the Sky, as I didn't like the jet fighter sims, yeah im probably in the minority lol. But KotS was an amazing game for me and I put a lot of time into it.

04 September 2019, 13:21	#55
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,061	IMHO who ever thought that spinning code wheel before every mission in F/A-18 was good idea should never been close to game programming. I played Gunship 2000 a lot, and only because I had HD at the time. Without it it would be too much work to get it going with 4 disks. Soon after Amiga Jane's simulations just pointed how poor Amiga was in this department for mid 90's.

24 September 2019, 13:20	#57
paul1981 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: England Posts: 419	AV8B Harrier Assault for me is the best. You can control as much or little of the campaign as you like. Make sure you actually start the campaign though or none the enemies will appear and you'll be flying around on the CAP missions thinking 'where's the enemy'? (Go to the map, left CRT on opening screen and select 'GO' to start the campaign). Flight model is top notch. It supports analog joystick too if you have one (select control method from menu once in the cockpit). If you heavily arm your aircraft you can definitely feel the weight! When flak explodes very near to you it nudges your aircraft accordingly depending upon where the shell exploded. You can fly around with an engine fire too, but not for long. If you like you can arm your aircraft with whatever you like and just go on a 'CAP' mission...but really just go anywhere you want and try and destroy all the enemies on the whole island (good luck with that). Graphics aren't that good, but it's made up for with a good immersive simulation. I believe it's an early FST (Flight Sim Toolkit) engine. I remember as a kid swapping the harrier model on the disk with some of the others from the game by renaming the files, and I'm sure I flew the C130! I few years ago I compared the WHDLoad installed version with the original version installed onto hard disk via it's own installer and I discovered the WHDLoad version had a much lower frame rate. This was on an A600 with an ACA620. The original ran really smooth on this setup.

24 September 2019, 20:02	#58
Angus Amiga Games Database Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South West England Posts: 1,253	If AV8B runs slow with WHDLoad, maybe report it. Its a Psygore patch and he was a great patcher and a very nice chap. I accept what you say about the gameplay/strategy but it's not bery sophisticated graphically/3D wise. It was after all a 1992 game? In that regard it's not a patch on Falcon (also patched by Psygore) which was 1989. On the strategy side of things you might appreciate F16 Combat Pilot.

25 September 2019, 22:20	#60
Angus Amiga Games Database Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South West England Posts: 1,253	I agree KotS was a great game, but there is very nice dogfighting in Falcon - particuarly the first mission disk against the MiG 29 Fulcrum, and the interceptions in the second mission disk are very cool too.

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