10 February 2017, 15:47 | #281 |
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Yes, you are right, there possibly isnt any software requiring larger slow-mem block.
But main reason for me is that Action Replay 3 only can use the slow-ram as a buffer for its quick save-states. Now when memory limiting F3 functions is fixed (thanks for that fix!) I can use the built-in AR to quick-save the state of 512kb games. If larger block of slow-ram is available it would be possible to use quick save for 1MB games too. Just like I did and still do on my old setup where I have 1,8 slow ram expansion (with gary adapter) and thus have enough buffer to quick save 1mb games with AR3. |
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That.. actually makes sense. Maybe HRTMon can do it with FastMem?
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10 February 2017, 16:06 | #283 |
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HRTMon can not save to RAM, but can save to HDD if compiled with ide switch. But problem with HRTMon and games is that upon exiting HRTMon graphics corruption in games may appear. So for playing games purpose AR3 is better choice.
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15 February 2017, 19:41 | #284 |
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1MB memory requirement for some games
Hey Guys,
Loving the ACA500+ so far! I have a stupid question for you... I'm working with an A500 with 512 of trap door ram and noticed that a few of the games I try to run give me the message, "You need chipmem up to $100000 (1024 KBytes) to run this program." I'm guessing this is referring to the 1MB ram I see in my ACA500 config that is unavailable? Does my system ram + trap door not total 1MB? Is there any way to allocate some of the 8MB the ACA500+ has for this purpose? Thanks so much! Edit: Forgot to mention I flashed the latest V0.89 firmware. TK Last edited by tknice; 15 February 2017 at 19:53. |
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The ACA500+ only adds fast RAM. Your trapdoor RAM expansion might not be adding to your A500's chip RAM. Remove the ACA500 and boot your A500. What does the workbench say for RAM? If it says you have .5MB graphics (chip) and .5MB fast, then your trapdoor RAM is not chip. You may need to get a different type of RAM expansion in there.
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On a side note, where is this system info screen I see everyone referring to? I can't find it anywhere in workbench. |
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15 February 2017, 21:04 | #287 |
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1M Chip RAM option requires ECS Agnus (8372A). Check what TAB info screen says.
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15 February 2017, 21:36 | #289 |
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yup, you need the ECS agnus and from what I recall, you can't simply replace the agnus chip alone. if you want 1 MB (or higher) chip RAM, you could find a later revision A500 MB and swap, get an A500+ (or just the MB and swap), or get on the list for a Vampire card.
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I think ECS Agnus is pin compatible with the OCS ones, so simply replacing it should work. What you can't do it replace a 512k/1M Agnus with a 2M version, but he's not asking for that. With the right Agnus, the ACA500plus should be able to remap the 512k in the trapdoor into chip, no matter what kind of mem expansion is in there.
Also, getting a Vampire won't help with the issue of missing chip mem. Even if he added a Vampire (which is probably way overkill for most people), he would still be left with 512k chip since the Vampire won't (and can't) provide any additional chip mem. |
16 February 2017, 20:18 | #291 |
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I've got a spare ECS Agnus, PM me if you want it.
On the subject of memory though, I'm not convinced I'm getting as much "other" mem as I should be. I see around 6.7 available when I start workbench 3.1 with maprom. |
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Do you know if I need to do anything else other than replacing the Agnus chip with an ECS version to get this working? I believe my A500 motherboard is a rev5. |
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Not sure if Rev. 5 have all address pins mapped out or if some are missing. If it does have all connections, then it should work. |
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17 February 2017, 12:39 | #294 |
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Rev.5 is fine for those in NTSC-land, as there is only one difference between the OCS and the ECS Agnus pinout: The "Test" pin of the OCS chip turned into a "PAL/NTSC switch" pin on the ECS version.
Since "test" is grounded on Rev.5, the ECS Agnus will be put into NTSC mode when dropped in, so perfect for tknice, who is from the US. The chip alone won't give you 1MByte chipram, but the ACA500plus can do the rest. While you'd have to do some trace scratching and soldering without the ACA500plus, you just activate the ChipMap feature in the ACA500plus menu, and all address lines to the Agnus chip will be toggled the right way. Ignore all other instructions, such as "switch off the internal RAM expansion" - that's only true if you don't have the ACA500plus. If you're unsure, make the system work without the ACA500plus in 512k+512k configuration first. When that works with the ECS Agnus, don't change anything, just plug in the ACA500plus and let it do it's thing. Jens Edit: don't cheap out on the chip-puller tool. Yes, there are 5-dollar-tools available, but they only destroy the chip. Better go for the 20-dollar variant. |
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So I may try this then. Unfortunately for me, E-Penguin's chip is a PAL version and I'm here in the states and probably need NTSC? I just ordered an RGB>Scart cable and Scart>HDMI 720/1080p upcaler to work with a flatscreen. Do you think this would make a difference with the type of AGNUS chip I get? If it won't work, I can hunt for an NTSC ECS chip. EDIT: I read your post again and it sounds like his PAL version will switch to NTSC for me. Is that correct? Thanks for all of the info guys--and Jens, you have really outdone yourself with this board! I've really enjoyed playing Defender of the Crown, Great Giana Sisters and all these other memorable games on my old setup! So Cool! I'll get the right chip puller for this as well. If you have any other advice on switching out the AGNUS or anything else I need to check first, I'd love to hear it. Thanks, TK Last edited by tknice; 17 February 2017 at 15:57. |
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I've mentioned here in this thread that I have a few very rare 8375 chips that have the 8372a pinout, but the PAL/NTSC pin with a completely different function. These are really available in two different startup-modes PAL and NTSC, and I only have the PAL version. However, these are so extremely rare that hardly anyone knows about them. I'm sure that you've been offered a 8372a chip - Vesalia has them for 6.90 EUR each incl. VAT, so even less for those outside the EU. Quote:
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IC 8372A (318069-02), 1 MB Agnus for A500/A2000 (PAL and NTSC) It's the square chip in the middle, correct? Here's a pic of my board: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...9-11h42m17.JPG And the other side of the board where I see the Rev 5. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...9-11h41m27.JPG Do you happen to have a link to a nicer $20 chip puller you recommended for removing it? I can definitely remove the board and pop it out from behind if you think that is safer. |
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Do it from behind. As long as you apply equal force, it is safer.
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17 February 2017, 20:51 | #299 |
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To pop those chips out, I've also used a tiny flat-blade screwdriver, the kind you use to repair eyeglasses and such, put it in the little gap at two of the corners just enough to be touching the underside of the corner of the chip but instead of prying up, just turn the screwdriver about a half turn, do it at the opposite corner, and it seems to be gentle enough to pop the chip loose.
Now I'll probably get a flood of people saying "No! No! NO! That's wrong!" hehehehe |
17 February 2017, 22:13 | #300 |
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No! No! NO! That's wrong!
I got the cheapest plcc extractor I could find on ebay and that works fine, not a scratch on the old chip. Your mileage may vary, obviously. I wasn't sure which versions of Agnus are PAL/NTSC - the one in the MegAChip is PAL only though? I can't remember the part number offhand. tknice I paid twice what Vesalia's asking, seems a bargain. Go for it. Jens I did the trace scratching thing when I installed the MegAChip, but I'm not entirely confident I did a good job on the one by the trapdoor. Everything seems to work but can you (or, indeed, anyone else) recommend a good memory check tool? The ACA500plus recognises it as 2MB chip ---- Edited to add: tknice is that a Gary adapter for a trapdoor expansion bigger than 512k? Jens recommended to disable trapdoor memory >512k because of the way the memory is addressed in a way the aca500plus can't see. I assume that's still the current advice. Last edited by E-Penguin; 17 February 2017 at 22:19. |
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