The latest form of FRAUD!
Hello folks,
well, I thought this practice has already been abandoned but yet I have been outbid "out of Ebay" on an ULTRA RARE AMIGA game I would like to question this again and hopefully we got a good discussion here. What disapointed me the most is, that the guy who did it,is part of this board and a 400+ poster. In short: An item on Ebay has been cancelled due a private offer by one other Ebay member. All other bids had been cancelled to saying "item no longer available". I will quote a friend here so you will notice what I'm talking about. I need to hear your thoughts on that - mostly from the collector's like me around here. Quote:
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We'll see if the guy is keen enough to say his thoughts...which I doubt. |
Ah ok... tough luck then eh?
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If no one wants to meet the reserve, games won’t sell. If ppl do "auction interference" the seller will learn the true value, and not get f***d by collectors sniping. |
I've seen this "auction interference" in action too, and it's not funny. People should respect the idea of auction in general so that the auctions go as-they-should-be. No cheatin' or playin'.
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thats all well and good, but I get fed up with auction snipers. My auctions typically run for three days, and mostly I don't get any action on them until the last 4 hours. I can't be doing with that kind of aggro. I have done auction interference because I am not prepared to let something get away from me for the sake of a couple of pounds, you may not like it, but its a fact that it goes on, so if you want something bad enough, go do it yourself. This is the real world, not Ebays 'fluffy' auction world. People are also getting sick and tired of Ebays rip off prices and their Final Value Fee, its no wonder people will accept offers from people when Ebay persists with their con pricing structure. |
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I get so many people asking to end auctions early, it really pisses me off :mad
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Yep, imagine going to a real-life auction: you bid, then another one rises the bid etc. then the auctionist suddenly ends the auction before you counterbid. Hey, it wasn't supposed to go like that :shocked.
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It happens, you can't do anything about it.. get used to it. Pointless discussing it! |
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I sell cars, and I don't want them going for pennies/cents. Of course I can put on a reserve, but thats counter productive, it doesn't encourage bidding. Sniping is getting worse and worse and worse, which is why people are contacting the seller to see if they will sell if off ebay before auction end. |
EBay should do what TradeMe does then - any bid adds 2 minutes to the final auction time.
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The way to stop that would be to make the Final Close time RANDOM. |
My missus has contacted sellers to buy furniture items etc off e-bay in order to get under what that the buyer will accept.......But NON of you would complain about that.
Because this thread is over "Things you want" for a collection :banghead BUT you don't NEED these items,they don't have purpose beyond filling an empty space on your list, when it becomes such an obsession that you object to the principle of "haggling over a price" it's time to take a step back. Sure your really pissed at losing something....but polite auctions are geniunely a myth..I know in my earlier days I have many times witnessed "LOT xxxx" being withdrawn from an auction because a seller struck a private deal before bidding was due to open :agree I am quite sure Gallahad/FLT has had his fair share of car auction double dealing to know, you cannot play fair in trade :bash I do NOT believe you are naieve in these matters Cebulba but are angry & sad because these unsporting tactics have invaded 2nd hand Amiga games sales. Now that I understand but as Bippym stated theres no point arguing over it. |
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*Goes and checks list of everyone with 400+ posts. You girls are nasty! :) I always wondered why some amiga stuff desapierd after couple of hours. Thanks for explanation. |
I'm sorry but this is yet another thread that follows the following:
1). It's completely pointless as you can't do anything about it 2). It's aimed at a forum member but cebulba hasn't said who (but siad forum member knows who they are and has/will bite) and cebulba knows this.. 3). It is only a matter of time before it deteriorates into anothe slag-fest farce 4). Life's too short, Amiga is dead, Ebay is lame .. get over it or find another online auction site! Thread closed before it turns nasty! |
Thread re-opened at the request of the seller in question (wanting to defend his actions)
I will leave it open for the time being.. as soon as I see any more evidence of this going down the pan either myself or another mod will re-close it. |
Hello, i'm sad about answer such a thread, which doesn't have anything to do on this
board. I have to clarify many points about this auction. 1) I'm fully against and i fight DAMN hard again peoples (mainly collectors), that artificially bump up the bids on ebay, plays speculators / money makers like Celbulba or some other German collectors do. I never saw french or english people act like this. Every people deserve to win, even if they can't push 150-500 euros on 1 or 2 rare game. Just imagine that for 200 euros, i can have 43 games NEW and SEALED. And in the lot, some VERY RARE. When speculators, because that's the name we give them, just come, snipe out at 10 sec from the end because themselves know that the bid is going really high, a way to stop the furious bidding scheme. Most sellers i know are not driven by MONEY. CEBULBA, money can't buy everything. 2) Paying video games even very rare one more than 150 euros is a shame with human misery. No single video games are valued that high. We are not buying Louis XVI furnitures or anything like that. Finding Moonstone at more than 100 euros is what i call human stupidity. This game has sold normally in France and england, so what about the fucking price ? 3) Amiga is dead now as Bippym stated above, and i prefer losing ten games than losing my lovely girlfriend or my job. Stay in the real world. 4) The artificial prices stated above doesn't allow amiga fan people to bid. 5) Cebulba can't read french, i have kept the best for the end, he has been complaining for not having .... an ATARI ST game !!!!! on an AMIGA FORUM the auction clearfully stated it's an atari ST version of Wizard WARZ. 6) Insulting the seller by telling him how dumb and stupid and well... he is, is certainly not the best year's idea. To say the thruth Olivier is not motived by money, he is a F**cking bigger collector than you are, and he knows very well which game is rare or very rare, considering his own collection. I have met him in 2003, he has sold me the A1200 i own actually. I have seen in his home things incredible. Not every people share you 'money' ideas.... live with it ! 7) Preservation ABOVE everything. I have a collector friend, who has more than +7000 games, who now is working hand in hand with me to preserve games. He never thought about this idea before.... Conclusion, friendship and human relations are more appreciated than pushing money alone. |
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