11 October 2018, 21:57 | #1 |
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How to load kickstart rom 3.1.4 into memory?
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[ Show youtube player ] This guy has an ACA1233N turbo card, which allows him to execute the rom file before his system starts. I don't have that card (yet), just a regular Amiga 1200 with 2MB chipram. What I do have is: - The bought Workbench 3.1.4 from Hyperion - A fresh 32GB Sandisk Extreme for installation - Workbench 3.1.4 transferred to floppies - A disk with the rom file I have gone through the manuals but I can't really figure out HOW I exactly put this rom file into memory. It does state something about using an Eprom to burn your own roms (which is out of the question) and they talk about the turbo-cards having their own dedicated memory for roms. But how about a plain Amiga 1200 without that? So far I have done this: - I already made a disk and copied the rom file onto it. - Made an s directory and a startup-sequence - Made a c directory (tried Setpatch romfile and Execute Romfile, both did not work). Can somebody tell me HOW (please tell in steps HOWTO) I create this disk to put a newer rom into memory. |
11 October 2018, 22:11 | #2 |
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I'm not sure you would want to with only the 2M RAM?
Mapping a rom file to your 1200 takes memory (at least 512k). (And I'm not sure you can with CHIP memory. Don't most programs that do that copy it into FAST RAM? Although that might be just because it is faster.) |
11 October 2018, 22:35 | #3 |
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Excuse my ignorance but can this not be done the same as loading other Kickstarts into RAM using Mkick or similar?
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11 October 2018, 22:55 | #4 |
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I would have say : Relokick... but so long I did not used it that I don't know if it can be used to "upgrade" the rom. It's easy to find it, so why not giving a try
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Relokick? From what I can find about it, it's more for 'downgrading' an A1200 3.1 rom to e.g 1.3, and also has to be bought at Amiga Forever. There has to be a free solution for this right? The guy in the YouTube video used his ACA1233N card (and software) to copy the rom into the cards dedicated memory. This 'temporary' fix can be used until Hyperion starts selling actual physical 3.1.4 roms. Last edited by Snowwie; 12 October 2018 at 00:02. |
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There is a similar program for Blizzard accelerators called Blizkick (??) I think, that also probably only works with Blizzard accelerators. There are some programs to possibly do it for any Amiga. Programs like mkick (mentioned) and skick. I'm not sure if they will work with the new 3.1.4 ROM... |
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12 October 2018, 01:13 | #7 | |
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Here you are mistaken. It's not because a company appears first in a search engine result that you have to "think" that it is the only source . Also, if you have a closer look at Cloanto's site you will read : "[..] Galahad of Fairlight has graciously allowed us to include his code [...]" . On my side, I saw Relokick on TOSEC labelled as PUBLIC DOMAIN . Because I am curious, after posting, I have made a 'one shot' test under WinUAE. Tried to "upgrade" 1.3 (256KB) to 3.1 (512KB). I have thus replaced the "rom1.3" file with a copy of the 3.1. It has aborted with an error... Now, I know it doesn't work with Relokick in this particular situation . Last edited by malko; 12 October 2018 at 08:50. Reason: wording |
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12 October 2018, 02:01 | #8 | |
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This is it's name: kick.a1200.46.143 |
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12 October 2018, 12:47 | #9 |
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Skick always requires an rtb file to go with the rom as far as I remember, it does not support MMU softkicking (and you don't even have an MMU).
In your current configuration, I would recommend to use loadmodule instead. |
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"Use Loadmodule". Okay? How? Tried it, copied all the files into the C map on the KICK314 floppy and put in startup-sequence : Loadmodule kick.a1200.46.143 Did it work? No, it gives an error message. ---- Anyway, I already ordered the ACA1233N card at Amigastore and asked them specifically that the file used by the guy in the YouTube video is present on the the disk. I even send them the link to the video where he uses that file (at 28:01). My Amiga needs more power anyway. With only 2MB Chip ram I cannot do much. That still leaves only the powerbrick. |
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12 October 2018, 14:23 | #11 |
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Surely you just install WB3.1.4 and the install process will add what is called "setpatch" to your startup sequence and part of that is "romupdates" whereby the required new ROM modules are patched into RAM? (Your boot process will include a reboot to make them live, resulting in an overall longer boot process)
If you are on KS3.0 and cannot use WB3.1.4 (because KS3.0 is not supported?) then I'm afraid despite what everyone above is saying I don't think there is anything you can do. You cannot use skick (a program to patch Kickstart into RAM) with KS3.1.4 (yet) because AFAIK there is no rtb file and you cannot use ones for other versions of KS. Send the ROM file(s) away to be programmed into 2*27C400 EPROMs and replace your old KS ROMs. There are several EPROM vendors who will pre-program parts if you send them the data files (at a very small cost) |
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I'm not familiar with the .RTB and cannot recall if I ever used that or whether it was already on the disk Solo761 created? Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk |
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If 3.0, get a hold of a kick 3.1 file, use skick to kick that. Then install 3.1.4 from under your skicked 3.1 rom and it will handle all of the rest. After installation you must copy your 3.1 rom file + rtb + pat files to the hard disk and add the skick command as the first thing in your startup-sequence. Please read the skick documentation for further information. If 3.1, the 3.1.4 installer will do the loadmodule bit automatically for you. This is speculation, I am not sure whether loadmodule will work under an skicked kickstart. You will not have very much memory to work with on a 2MB A1200 anyway, so this is perhaps interesting only to see how the workbench looks when installed, not something you'd do on a system you're going to use. But since you asked, that's my opinion, I haven't tested the procedure in practice. Quote:
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I use KS 3.1 now
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12 October 2018, 16:46 | #15 |
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I think you missed the word "yet" in his statement. ;-)
It is a way people have used to load ROMs manually in the past, so it is what would normally be used for this, but there is not YET support for this new ROM. It is information for you and others reading this thread who might be interested. Thanx Alexh for the information/clarification. |
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Any softkick solution will initially limit you to a bit under 8GB using a DirectSCSI capable filesystem.. |
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12 October 2018, 18:12 | #17 |
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What flash/EEPROM type are the ROMs in A1200? 29F400?
Snowwie, I have several programmers, probably supported. If you send the purchased kick files I can burn the ROMs for you. |
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ACAMapROM is to map a ROM image. Mapping any ROM to physical "System" memory and not "expansion" memory will do you no good as its just as fast as an actual ROM. Mapping a ROM to memory needs to happen before boot for the OS to recognize it otherwise it wont boot. 3.1.4 comes with a Modules disk that basically does the same thing no ROM or Rom mapping needed... Just install and follow instructions. Once the card is aquired you can then use the "ACAMapROM I Q" command in startup-sequence and it will take over from there even though you installed without the ROM installed. Oh and by the way ACATune only works with two of Icomp's cards not ALL ACA cards... |
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You can rename the rome file S#ART.ROM it will still load just have to remember all of your S#ART!: |
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Not with my ACA1230...
ACAtune does the maprom function. From the ACATune manual online: http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACAtune#maprom Quote:
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