Amithlon Setup Guide - Page 78

stefcep2 · 19 August 2021, 02:59

Interesting that the newer third party kernels didn't support my hardware even though they should have, and the official update kernel did (but not the original kernel off the boot disc).

Is there a way to create a boot Amithlon XL disc with the new updated official kernel already on the boot disc?

SnkBitten · 19 August 2021, 03:15

Sure but I'm not sure why you'd need to do that. Booting off the Amithlon CD serves no purpose other than seeing if your hardware can boot it. You can't create the boot environment for a hard disk with it. It's the same as running loadlin @amithlon, boothing the compiled in amithlon_hd image file.

https://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AMIthlon_CD

Follow the instructions, copy the new_emubox.gz kernel to the same location as emubox.gz and edit the amithlon file to load that kernel instead of the stock one.

The docs in that archive tell you exactly what to do.

jdog320 · 04 November 2021, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnkBitten

Sure but I'm not sure why you'd need to do that. Booting off the Amithlon CD serves no purpose other than seeing if your hardware can boot it. You can't create the boot environment for a hard disk with it. It's the same as running loadlin @amithlon, boothing the compiled in amithlon_hd image file.

https://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AMIthlon_CD

Follow the instructions, copy the new_emubox.gz kernel to the same location as emubox.gz and edit the amithlon file to load that kernel instead of the stock one.

The docs in that archive tell you exactly what to do.

It's been a while but, TIL that amithlon works in qemu-kvm:

SLD-SNaKe · 04 November 2021, 13:43

Nice. I don't remember using qemu before (maybe the UAE part for PPC) but... any special steps to install it?
I suppose that way you can run amithlon virtualized under any other os, any speed advantage over an emulator? Maybe the performance would be between the real amithlon and an emulator, right?

jdog320 · 04 November 2021, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLD-SNaKe

Nice. I don't remember using qemu before (maybe the UAE part for PPC) but... any special steps to install it?
I suppose that way you can run amithlon virtualized under any other os, any speed advantage over an emulator? Maybe the performance would be between the real amithlon and an emulator, right?

Not sure just yet, I was able to boot off an amithlon livecd distro, but as you can see in the screenshot, it can't see CD0 for some reason?

Also, what's interesting is that qemu has preliminary support for ati rage 128 and rv100 . But unfortunately, it's too primitive for amithlon.

jdog320 · 04 November 2021, 15:23

After a bit of tinkering, I can't get CD-ROM to work, it just says Uninitialized.
Interestingly, if I disable kvm, it doesn't boot.
Another finding, it works with qemu on windows with --accel whpx,kernel-irqchip=off, but cd's are still dead.

SnkBitten · 04 November 2021, 16:14

Virtualbox (VirtualBox-6.0.24-139119-Win.exe) runs Amithlon well on Windows systems. The only thing really missing is accelerated graphics. Networking, Audio, USB all work as well as CD.

jdog320 · 04 November 2021, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnkBitten

Virtualbox (VirtualBox-6.0.24-139119-Win.exe) runs Amithlon well on Windows systems. The only thing really missing is accelerated graphics. Networking, Audio, USB all work as well as CD.

I got bored and tried amithlon on qemu. It's basically a PoC lmao.

SnkBitten · 04 November 2021, 16:31

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amigamia · 07 November 2021, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdog320

It's been a while but, TIL that amithlon works in qemu-kvm:

Yup! Pretty much same findings as my post a while back:

https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p...postcount=1484

If only we could get the video to be supported..

jdog320 · 08 November 2021, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigamia

Yup! Pretty much same findings as my post a while back:

https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p...postcount=1484

If only we could get the video to be supported..

How were you able to get CD-ROM working? As you can see on my picture, it doesn't detect the cd-rom properly. Same thing with the windows builds of qemu.

amigamia · 09 November 2021, 13:20

It was a while ago and I have reloaded my linux box since but I do remember fiddling with the CD-ROM not working. I remember I had to change the type of CD-ROM controller from IDE to SCSI or vice-versa. Try changing that. I used AQEMU which is a really nice QEMU interface but it's kinda old and some settings don't work quite well. I was able to make that change though.

jdog320 · 10 November 2021, 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigamia

It was a while ago and I have reloaded my linux box since but I do remember fiddling with the CD-ROM not working. I remember I had to change the type of CD-ROM controller from IDE to SCSI or vice-versa. Try changing that. I used AQEMU which is a really nice QEMU interface but it's kinda old and some settings don't work quite well. I was able to make that change though.

Do you remember the args for scsi emulation and the amithlon kernel you used?

amigamia · 10 November 2021, 12:32

Hi jdog, if I have some time this week, I'll try reloading my AQEMU and test it again. I think it booted with the original kernel from the CD-ROM.

dr.zeissler · 22 December 2021, 14:39

a very long thread...here is my question:

What machine should I consider for using with amithlon in oder to get stutterfree gameplay on emulation-titles and native 3D stuff.

SLD-SNaKe · 26 December 2021, 13:25

It's very tricky and chipset dependant. Snkbitten has a nice summary at: https://amithlon.snkbitten.com/ "Hardware" reference link.
Based on my experience, any CPU +1Ghz would do the job, tens of speed compared to an A4000 (sysinfo comparison).
You'll need a Nvidia GPU because they have full acceleration (ATI or Matrox are supported but they lack some acceleration). Nvidia FX5200, 5500 gives a good result.
The RTG software runs at nice speeds. The 3D runs in software mode although the CPU power can do the job. There was a Warp3D api but I think it's not supported under Amithlon .

dr.zeissler · 26 December 2021, 14:07

Thx, I was thinking about a matrox card...G400/450/550 or even better one of the later parhelia P650/690. What features exactly do they not support?

SLD-SNaKe · 26 December 2021, 15:16

I went for the Nvidia FX cards because they were easier to find, so no experience by my side about performance or acceleration with Matrox cards. But the details with the linux framebuffer acceleration is showed here: https://amithlonblog.snkbitten.com/c...-for-amithlon/
You can see that there is a option missing with Matrox cards: DRAW_LINE. I'm not sure the drawbacks of this, maybe some slower scroll or something like that.
I think Pedro Cotter (Capt. Magellan at Youtube) used a Matrox G550 in some of his videos.

SLD-SNaKe · 26 December 2021, 15:26

By the way... Testing the new ROM 3.2.1 and update under Amithlon

dr.zeissler · 26 December 2021, 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLD-SNaKe

I went for the Nvidia FX cards because they were easier to find, so no experience by my side about performance or acceleration with Matrox cards. But the details with the linux framebuffer acceleration is showed here: https://amithlonblog.snkbitten.com/c...-for-amithlon/
You can see that there is a option missing with Matrox cards: DRAW_LINE. I'm not sure the drawbacks of this, maybe some slower scroll or something like that.
I think Pedro Cotter (Capt. Magellan at Youtube) used a Matrox G550 in some of his videos.

Thx, but that is not detailled enough. "matrox" is from very early mystique up to g550. That a very big range from "win31 accel" up to DX8.1. Thx! for the very interesting yt-channel!

04 November 2021, 15:23	#1546
jdog320 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Anywhere City Posts: 188	After a bit of tinkering, I can't get CD-ROM to work, it just says Uninitialized. Interestingly, if I disable kvm, it doesn't boot. Another finding, it works with qemu on windows with --accel whpx,kernel-irqchip=off, but cd's are still dead. Last edited by jdog320; 04 November 2021 at 16:21.

26 December 2021, 13:25	#1556
SLD-SNaKe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Spain Posts: 21	It's very tricky and chipset dependant. Snkbitten has a nice summary at: https://amithlon.snkbitten.com/ "Hardware" reference link. Based on my experience, any CPU +1Ghz would do the job, tens of speed compared to an A4000 (sysinfo comparison). You'll need a Nvidia GPU because they have full acceleration (ATI or Matrox are supported but they lack some acceleration). Nvidia FX5200, 5500 gives a good result. The RTG software runs at nice speeds. The 3D runs in software mode although the CPU power can do the job. There was a Warp3D api but I think it's not supported under Amithlon . Last edited by SLD-SNaKe; 26 December 2021 at 13:31.

26 December 2021, 15:26	#1559
SLD-SNaKe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Spain Posts: 21	By the way... Testing the new ROM 3.2.1 and update under Amithlon Attached Thumbnails

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19 August 2021, 02:59	#1541
stefcep2 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 226	Interesting that the newer third party kernels didn't support my hardware even though they should have, and the official update kernel did (but not the original kernel off the boot disc). Is there a way to create a boot Amithlon XL disc with the new updated official kernel already on the boot disc?

19 August 2021, 03:15	#1542
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781	Sure but I'm not sure why you'd need to do that. Booting off the Amithlon CD serves no purpose other than seeing if your hardware can boot it. You can't create the boot environment for a hard disk with it. It's the same as running loadlin @amithlon, boothing the compiled in amithlon_hd image file. https://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AMIthlon_CD Follow the instructions, copy the new_emubox.gz kernel to the same location as emubox.gz and edit the amithlon file to load that kernel instead of the stock one. The docs in that archive tell you exactly what to do.

04 November 2021, 13:43	#1544
SLD-SNaKe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Spain Posts: 21	Nice. I don't remember using qemu before (maybe the UAE part for PPC) but... any special steps to install it? I suppose that way you can run amithlon virtualized under any other os, any speed advantage over an emulator? Maybe the performance would be between the real amithlon and an emulator, right?

04 November 2021, 16:14	#1547
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781	Virtualbox (VirtualBox-6.0.24-139119-Win.exe) runs Amithlon well on Windows systems. The only thing really missing is accelerated graphics. Networking, Audio, USB all work as well as CD.

04 November 2021, 16:31	#1549
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781

09 November 2021, 13:20	#1552
amigamia Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Virginia USA Posts: 48	It was a while ago and I have reloaded my linux box since but I do remember fiddling with the CD-ROM not working. I remember I had to change the type of CD-ROM controller from IDE to SCSI or vice-versa. Try changing that. I used AQEMU which is a really nice QEMU interface but it's kinda old and some settings don't work quite well. I was able to make that change though.

10 November 2021, 12:32	#1554
amigamia Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Virginia USA Posts: 48	Hi jdog, if I have some time this week, I'll try reloading my AQEMU and test it again. I think it booted with the original kernel from the CD-ROM.

22 December 2021, 14:39	#1555
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	a very long thread...here is my question: What machine should I consider for using with amithlon in oder to get stutterfree gameplay on emulation-titles and native 3D stuff.

26 December 2021, 14:07	#1557
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	Thx, I was thinking about a matrox card...G400/450/550 or even better one of the later parhelia P650/690. What features exactly do they not support?

26 December 2021, 15:16	#1558
SLD-SNaKe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Spain Posts: 21	I went for the Nvidia FX cards because they were easier to find, so no experience by my side about performance or acceleration with Matrox cards. But the details with the linux framebuffer acceleration is showed here: https://amithlonblog.snkbitten.com/c...-for-amithlon/ You can see that there is a option missing with Matrox cards: DRAW_LINE. I'm not sure the drawbacks of this, maybe some slower scroll or something like that. I think Pedro Cotter (Capt. Magellan at Youtube) used a Matrox G550 in some of his videos.

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