Settlers WHDLoad problem.

[utri007]

The Settlers doesn't start, it gives error

Can't allocate ExpMem.

I do have fast ram and no other game has that problem.

WHDLoad is lattest from whdload.de and same with slave. Disabling PRELOAD doesn't help. Originally it was downloaded whdownload.com

[SkulleateR]

Originally Posted by utri007

I do have fast ram

How much ??

See : http://mantis.whdload.de/view.php?id=2991

(Yea, ten years old but still .... )

[utri007]

OK, I do have 13mb ram.

1,5mb 00A00000 - 00B7FFFF
8mb 00200000 - 009fffff
1,5mb 00C00000 - 00D7FFFF
and
2mb chip

[SkulleateR]

Just tested on my A600 with 2MB Chip and 9,5MB Fast/Slow -> only works when booting without startup-sequence ...

[Seiya]

Test with WinUAE and it works with 2 MB chip RAM and 8 MB Fast ZII (16bit).
It could depend where Fast RAM is allocated. In WinAUE this 8 MB are 0x00200000 - 0x00800000

[utri007]

Game starts without a startup-sequence, but during the intro I get

Exception "NMI Autovector" ($7C) at $604576 (ExpMem $50576) occured

[Octopus66]

The Settlers can be installed to HD without WHDLoad. Why go through this grief?

[SkulleateR]

Originally Posted by utri007

Game starts without a startup-sequence, but during the intro I get

Exception "NMI Autovector" ($7C) at $604576 (ExpMem $50576) occured

Then use NOAUTOVEC as option

[Don_Adan]

Seems that this slave required many fastmemory except lowmem version.
You must have minimum $440000 continues fast memory (use "c:Avail flush" from CLI to check).
Dont use strange programs in s-s, which can fragmenting fast memory.
If is called as first after loading WB, then must works, if you have 8MB fast.

WHDLoad Slave information
TheSettlers_lowmem.slave - 08.12.2022 23:19:50 - 6444 bytes
required WHDLoad version 17
flags NoError EmulTrap EmulPriv ClearMem Examine
required Chip Memory 512 KiB ($80000)
required Expansion Memory 2304 KiB ($240000)
info name The Settlers/Die Siedler
info copy 1993 Blue Byte
info install adapted by JOTD & StingRay
from Wepl excellent KickStarter 34.005
Thanks to Tony Aksnes & Wepl for disk images
Thanks to Olivier Schott for testing & bugreports
Version 1.7 (08-dec-2022 23:19:46)
Kickstart name 34005.a500
Kickstart size 256 KiB ($40000)
Kickstart checksum $f9e3
Configuration C1:B:Skip introduction;
TheSettlers_old.slave - 08.12.2022 23:19:50 - 5236 bytes
required WHDLoad version 16
flags NoError EmulTrap EmulPriv Examine
required Chip Memory 1024 KiB ($100000)
required Expansion Memory 4352 KiB ($440000)
info name The Settlers / Die Siedler
info copy 1993 Blue Byte
info install adapted by JOTD
from Wepl excellent KickStarter 34.005
Set CUSTOM1=1 to skip introduction
Thanks to Tony Aksnes & Wepl for disk images
Thanks to Olivier Schott for testing & bugreports
Version (16-mai-09 14:45:04)
Kickstart name 34005.a500
Kickstart size 256 KiB ($40000)
Kickstart checksum $f9e3
TheSettlers.slave - 08.12.2022 23:19:50 - 6444 bytes
required WHDLoad version 17
flags NoError EmulTrap EmulPriv ClearMem Examine
required Chip Memory 1024 KiB ($100000)
required Expansion Memory 4352 KiB ($440000)
info name The Settlers/Die Siedler
info copy 1993 Blue Byte
info install adapted by JOTD & StingRay
from Wepl excellent KickStarter 34.005
Thanks to Tony Aksnes & Wepl for disk images
Thanks to Olivier Schott for testing & bugreports
Version 1.7 (08-dec-2022 23:19:46)
Kickstart name 34005.a500
Kickstart size 256 KiB ($40000)
Kickstart checksum $f9e3
Configuration C1:B:Skip introduction;

[Daedalus]

Originally Posted by Octopus66

The Settlers can be installed to HD without WHDLoad. Why go through this grief?

Indeed. Taking away the copy protection is one benefit, but that can be done with a separate patch. Also, the file loading and saving with the WHDLoad version is quite clunky compared to the native version.

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Seems that this slave required many fastmemory except lowmem version.
You must have minimum $440000 continues fast memory (use "c:Avail flush" from CLI to check).

Yep, the game has the possibility to use a lot of memory so the WHDLoad virtualisation has to make sure all that memory is available. I'm assuming the low memory WHDLoad version limits it to 1 or 2MB, and the game doesn't allow the maximum sized maps as a result.

[utri007]

Originally Posted by Daedalus

Indeed. Taking away the copy protection is one benefit, but that can be done with a separate patch. Also, the file loading and saving with the WHDLoad version is quite clunky compared to the native version.

I'm running it with CDTV, so most of games doesn't work without a WHDLoad.

Yep, the game has the possibility to use a lot of memory so the WHDLoad virtualisation has to make sure all that memory is available. I'm assuming the low memory WHDLoad version limits it to 1 or 2MB, and the game doesn't allow the maximum sized maps as a result.

I find a thesettlers_lowmemory.slave from whdload.de and with noautovec switch it works now.

[Octopus66]

Originally Posted by utri007

I'm running it with CDTV, so most of games doesn't work without a WHDLoad.

In that case fair enough, although it was not clear from the original post. We are lucky to have WHDLoad solutions for such scenarios.

[Octopus66]

Originally Posted by Daedalus

Indeed. Taking away the copy protection is one benefit, but that can be done with a separate patch. Also, the file loading and saving with the WHDLoad version is quite clunky compared to the native version.


Yep, the game has the possibility to use a lot of memory so the WHDLoad virtualisation has to make sure all that memory is available. I'm assuming the low memory WHDLoad version limits it to 1 or 2MB, and the game doesn't allow the maximum sized maps as a result.

Good points here. For people new or not aware it should be pointed out that WHDLoad installs are not always the best approach. Sometimes they are - especially if you are running on expanded machines or non-standard config.

Otherwise, games such as Premier Manager which holds the full game in RAM via floppy/gotek on A1200 (or any machine with enough RAM) but behaves like 512+512 on WHDLoad regardless of host config, are best played in the manner they were designed imho. Plus Premier Manager crashed for me after 2 seasons using WHDLoad.