XBox 360 inching towards homebrew

Antiriad · 17 August 2009, 11:09

Good news: according to XBox-Scene a coder called Tmbinc has got linux to run on a 360 see www.free60.org and a quick'n'dirty port of Snes9x has already been done. UAE on the 360 is therefore a matter of time.

Bad news: Micro$oft's summer update for the 360 this year was specifically released to block this.

Ian · 17 August 2009, 13:01

This isn't homebrew, it's hacking it so it runs something else that you can do program something with.

PS3 has had this "functionality" since it was launch and no one bothers with it because it's a complete waste of time.

The PS3 (and therefore the 360) can barely run an OS nevermind soemthing meaniful on it afterwards.

alexh · 18 August 2009, 00:34

Microsoft have already released an update which has killed this homebrew path by changing the first stage bootloader. They reported that 90% of consoles which regularly go on Live have already been patched.

If you have gone on Live in the last week or so homebrew is no-longer an option on your 360.

Someone here has a brand new console bought this week and it has already been patched.

Ah, so long 360 homebrew

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Originally Posted by Ian

The PS3 (and therefore the 360) can barely run an OS nevermind soemthing meaniful on it afterwards.

Using only one of the three PowerPC CPU's at 1/4 speed the 360 homebrew-ers implemented Snes9x (albeit without sound) at full speed. I'd say that your statement is untrue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

PS3 has had this "functionality" since it was launch and no one bothers with it because it's a complete waste of time.

PS3 linux sucks because it runs under the hypervisor. An emulator which runs linux which then runs an emulator. No-wonder it is slow!

Ian · 18 August 2009, 14:02

Wow, who's willing to bet they used the PPC version already made for linux on PS3?

Anyway come back when they have actually managed to hack and run code natively using the 360s own OS, then there might be something worth talking about.

alexh · 18 August 2009, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Wow, who's willing to bet they used the PPC version already made for linux on PS3?

Me, me, me! I bet you a SQUILLION pounds they didnt!!

One: Snes9x is written in C so is (somewhat) processor agnostic. There is no "PPC version"!

Two: They used the SNES9x GX branch which pre-dates the PS3 by ooo... say 3 years! Originally written for the GameCube and later ported to the Wii. (Those two have PPC too btw.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Anyway come back when they have actually managed to hack and run code natively using the 360s own OS, then there might be something worth talking about.

Erm... Duh! What you think they've just done? This is a full hack, 100% bypasses the Hypervisor, gives full access to all hardware enabling them to run native code at full speed! They can now patch 360's OS to death if they like.

Ian · 18 August 2009, 16:12

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Originally Posted by alexh

Me, me, me! I bet you a SQUILLION pounds they didnt!!

One: Snes9x is written in C so is (somewhat) processor agnostic. There is no "PPC version"!

Two: They used the SNES9x GX branch which pre-dates the PS3 by ooo... say 3 years! Originally written for the GameCube and later ported to the Wii. (Those two have PPC too btw.)

Yeah, whatever *cough* http://forums.qj.net/ps3-linux/79306...nes9x-ps3.html

Bearing in mind one core of the 360s CPU is virtually identical to the PPU in the PS3 I find it extremely unlikely they used any other version than the PS3 one, they aren't complete idiots after all.

alexh · 18 August 2009, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Ian

Yeah, whatever *cough* http://forums.qj.net/ps3-linux/79306...nes9x-ps3.html

A port of the linux branch of Snes9x to the PS3. Your point being? The date? Take a look at a random post about the PPC gamecube GX branch dating back to well before the PS3 was released!

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Originally Posted by Ian

Bearing in mind one core of the 360s CPU is virtually identical to the PPU in the PS3 I find it extremely unlikely they used any other version than the PS3 one, they aren't complete idiots after all.

Erm, but you seem to be. It's C-code! They didn't copy the PS3's PPC binary, they compiled a new one from the source code. Snes9x is designed to be platform independent and can be compiled for a wide range (all?) CPUs.

They didnt use the main line linux version because they are running without an OS. They compiled the Gamecube SNES9x GX branch with mods to the renderer for the 360 GPU to be a stand alone application, it even fecking says so on their webpage!

http://debugmo.de/?p=108

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Originally Posted by TMBINC

I used Snes9x GX, i.e. the Wii/Gamecube-Port, as a base.

Visper · 18 August 2009, 19:26

@Ian, what do you think is so special about the PS3 "version"?

Download the snes9x sourcecode from the official homepage, unpack it, type ./configure then make, wait a couple of minutes and there you go: a executable for PS3.

keropi · 18 August 2009, 19:48

yeah right...almost everyone updated their X360's by now so this "hack" is quite useless by now...
I have read about it before updating, but promises of a "soon-to-come" package for the end user and no real proof was enough for me to actually update and properly use live! ...

alexh · 18 August 2009, 20:42

Agreed, but still I was thinking of buying one now, consoles in the shops should be pre-update for a while.

Plus in the UK the prices of 360's is going up on Sept 1st to compensate for rise in price of the pound. They are currently £125 for an Arcade and they are going upto £159

keropi · 18 August 2009, 21:28

but even if you do get one alexh, what will happen when the next game u pop in asks for an update? will u keep 2 x360's? and how big the developer base will be ? I doubt there wil be miracles done for a small number of owners...

Darkseid · 18 August 2009, 22:48

When the mods for the original Xbox came out people said the same now how many people have an unmodded (hardware or software) xbox these days. I cant remember what my original Xbox was like before XBMC

to Quote Field of dreams

"if you build they will come"

alexh · 18 August 2009, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

but even if you do get one alexh, what will happen when the next game u pop in asks for an update?

In the future, they wont ask for updates. Why? Because now it is possible to patch games to remove such checks because you can run unsigned code.

I think Keropi is right, there is already homebrew route but it arrived too late, was difficult to use and too many people had updated beyond a vulnerable kernal. The result was two years of no work on XBOX 360 homebrew.

Just a shame that they released the information about how it was going to work before there was a working implementation and a way to patch the OS & games to remove updates.

T_hairy_bootson · 19 August 2009, 04:24

Seems there is a new slim PS3 on the horizon and they have stripped the other operating system feature.

alexh · 19 August 2009, 10:45

Interesting...

$299 in the US or $414 in the UK... don't think I'll be getting one.

keropi · 19 August 2009, 10:54

yes pretty lame of Sony... the new psp-go is 249$ in the US and in Europe it is... 249eur... yeah in Sony's eyes 1$=1eur ...

killergorilla · 19 August 2009, 10:55

Does the PSP not have a UMD drive?

keropi · 19 August 2009, 11:08

the new one does not have a umd drive...

killergorilla · 19 August 2009, 11:10

Yeah I meant to put "PSP Go".

Strange decision!

keropi · 19 August 2009, 11:16

not so strange... they wish to control piracy, thus only allow downloaded drm stuff on in...

17 August 2009, 11:09	#1
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,141	XBox 360 inching towards homebrew Good news: according to XBox-Scene a coder called Tmbinc has got linux to run on a 360 see www.free60.org and a quick'n'dirty port of Snes9x has already been done. UAE on the 360 is therefore a matter of time. Bad news: Micro$oft's summer update for the 360 this year was specifically released to block this.

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17 August 2009, 13:01	#2
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	This isn't homebrew, it's hacking it so it runs something else that you can do program something with. PS3 has had this "functionality" since it was launch and no one bothers with it because it's a complete waste of time. The PS3 (and therefore the 360) can barely run an OS nevermind soemthing meaniful on it afterwards.

18 August 2009, 14:02	#4
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Wow, who's willing to bet they used the PPC version already made for linux on PS3? Anyway come back when they have actually managed to hack and run code natively using the 360s own OS, then there might be something worth talking about.

18 August 2009, 19:26	#8
Visper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Nowhere Posts: 74	@Ian, what do you think is so special about the PS3 "version"? Download the snes9x sourcecode from the official homepage, unpack it, type ./configure then make, wait a couple of minutes and there you go: a executable for PS3.

18 August 2009, 19:48	#9
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah right...almost everyone updated their X360's by now so this "hack" is quite useless by now... I have read about it before updating, but promises of a "soon-to-come" package for the end user and no real proof was enough for me to actually update and properly use live! ...

18 August 2009, 20:42	#10
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,332	Agreed, but still I was thinking of buying one now, consoles in the shops should be pre-update for a while. Plus in the UK the prices of 360's is going up on Sept 1st to compensate for rise in price of the pound. They are currently £125 for an Arcade and they are going upto £159

18 August 2009, 21:28	#11
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	but even if you do get one alexh, what will happen when the next game u pop in asks for an update? will u keep 2 x360's? and how big the developer base will be ? I doubt there wil be miracles done for a small number of owners...

18 August 2009, 22:48	#12
Darkseid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: England Age: 54 Posts: 39	When the mods for the original Xbox came out people said the same now how many people have an unmodded (hardware or software) xbox these days. I cant remember what my original Xbox was like before XBMC to Quote Field of dreams "if you build they will come"

19 August 2009, 04:24	#14
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	Seems there is a new slim PS3 on the horizon and they have stripped the other operating system feature.

19 August 2009, 10:45	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,332	Interesting... $299 in the US or $414 in the UK... don't think I'll be getting one.

19 August 2009, 10:54	#16
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yes pretty lame of Sony... the new psp-go is 249$ in the US and in Europe it is... 249eur... yeah in Sony's eyes 1$=1eur ...

19 August 2009, 10:55	#17
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Does the PSP not have a UMD drive?

19 August 2009, 11:08	#18
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	the new one does not have a umd drive...

19 August 2009, 11:10	#19
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Yeah I meant to put "PSP Go". Strange decision!

19 August 2009, 11:16	#20
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	not so strange... they wish to control piracy, thus only allow downloaded drm stuff on in...

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