Sensible World of Soccer RAM requirements

DesktopDynamite · 09 June 2016, 05:18

Hi there,
Sorry if I am posting at wrong place. I just want to know if there is a whdload install for various SWOS games, since all versions need 2MB chipmem... Is there an alternative one which can run on a 1MB chipram instead?

TIA

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Galahad/FLT · 09 June 2016, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesktopDynamite

Hi there,
Sorry if I am posting at wrong place. I just want to know if there is a whdload install for various SWOS games, since all versions need 2MB chipmem... Is there an alternative one which can run on a 1MB chipram instead?

TIA

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No, as i supported the AGA version only at the time, and in god knows how many years, you are the first to ask

Im redoing SWOS as it happens and the intention is to support lower mem machines, so watch this space

Amigajay · 09 June 2016, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Im redoing SWOS as it happens and the intention is to support lower mem machines, so watch this space

Nice! I know it still cant save, but the CD32 is dying for a proper whdload version, looking forward to it!

DesktopDynamite · 09 June 2016, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

No, as i supported the AGA version only at the time, and in god knows how many years, you are the first to ask

Im redoing SWOS as it happens and the intention is to support lower mem machines, so watch this space

Thanks

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macce2 · 19 June 2016, 18:54

After trying some WHDload versions of SWOS, I tried the floppy version of SWOS (96-97 ?!) on my A4000D and was quite happy with it, because I was able to save a career.
I think the game runs on my A4000 (040@25) at quite ideal speed (?!), not too slow or fast. However, that's only my opinion.
Last night I decided to try the game on my A500 (ECS Agnus, 1 Mb Ram) and was suprised to find that it works. However, I was more suprised to find out SWOS runs a lot faster on my A500!
It has no accelerator installed, only the trapdoor Ram expansion.
In my opinion, the game runs way too fast! :-o
How can that be ?

Playaveli · 19 June 2016, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amigajay

Nice! I know it still cant save, but the CD32 is dying for a proper whdload version, looking forward to it!

How about that:
http://unofficial-cd32-ports.blogspo...swos-9697.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Im redoing SWOS as it happens and the intention is to support lower mem machines, so watch this space

Nice to hear. If you need beta test, let me know.

Amigajay · 19 June 2016, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playaveli

How about that:
http://unofficial-cd32-ports.blogspo...swos-9697.html

Take a look, its not whdload.

Retro1234 · 19 June 2016, 20:50

theres also a HDF Floating around that I think works on 1mb chip and fast ram but seems to take forever to load on 68000

this might be the reason swos is slower on your 68040 than on your 68000
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=5372

macce2 · 20 June 2016, 20:46

Anyway, I do like the speed SWOS currently runs on my A4000 (Caches enabled).
I think it is way more "realistic" speed. Of course, too much slower won't be good.
however, I think I'm a little surprised to think that Sensible Soccer and SWOS games
were meant to run such a speed that they run on my A500. Many of you will disagree with that.
I mean, the game is much more playable at A LITTLE slower speed. :-D
Btw, AGA fixed / specific (floppy) version of SWOS doesn't exist, does it..?!? :-o

DesktopDynamite · 18 September 2016, 04:52

Any updates?

Martijn · 12 February 2018, 16:12

Really curious if there's any update to this. I've recently expanded my A500 with an ACA500plus and WHDLoad, and SWOS is my number 1 game from back in the days. I would really love to be able to run it on 1MB chip...

Galahad/FLT · 12 February 2018, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martijn

Really curious if there's any update to this. I've recently expanded my A500 with an ACA500plus and WHDLoad, and SWOS is my number 1 game from back in the days. I would really love to be able to run it on 1MB chip...

Lots of different versions, be patient

Martijn · 13 February 2018, 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Lots of different versions, be patient

Ok, sounds like this is still on your to-do list, that's great! I'll be using floppies until you're ready.

And if you need 1MB chip testers, I'd be happy to....

RiP · 12 April 2018, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Lots of different versions, be patient

Please do it, that was my favorite game when I was child

DesktopDynamite · 16 May 2018, 21:20

Hi again, any updates regarding this please ?

DesktopDynamite · 16 February 2021, 00:08

Bumping this

any updates ?

Need to run SWOS [any version] for a 1MB chip RAM, 8MB fast RAM [using Kipper A508 board].

Thanks!

jotd · 04 May 2021, 22:48

doing one at the moment, which apparently fixes the slowdown issues with accelerators.

The game isn't AGA but using fast memory isn't exactly trivial (but it's doable) which probably explains why Galahad didn't see the interest at the time.

A lot of slaves made 20 years ago assumed high spec amigas (A1200/68020), didn't care a lot about using fastmem as expansion memory

Now we see that low-spec machines are making their comeback through cheap expansions. That's good, but we need to fix the old greedy slaves too.

Playaveli · 05 May 2021, 01:57

AGA would be interesting, as the DOS graphics (32 colors) of SWOS could be ported back to the Amiga (like recently happened with Turrican 2).

Also, the whdload version has still those old issues:
- saving / loading tactics does not work
- reading files from the "save" directory is bugged (eg CUSTOMS.EDT file is not read properly)

I hope this can be fixed.

frozen · 20 May 2021, 12:49

Yes maybe using only fast ram instead of chip ram as a choice in the WHDLOAD options

Steve · 20 May 2021, 13:04

The old SWOS HD installer used to cause a crash at the end of a season during the viewing final leagues section that takes a few minutes. It wouldn't happen every season. Maybe after a couple of seasons play but it would always happen. Does this occur with WHDLoad version as well?

09 June 2016, 05:18	#1
DesktopDynamite Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: MALTA Posts: 104	Sensible World of Soccer RAM requirements Hi there, Sorry if I am posting at wrong place. I just want to know if there is a whdload install for various SWOS games, since all versions need 2MB chipmem... Is there an alternative one which can run on a 1MB chipram instead? TIA Sent from my GT-I9301I using Tapatalk

05 May 2021, 01:57	#18
Playaveli GoalScoringSuperstarHero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 42 Posts: 156	AGA would be interesting, as the DOS graphics (32 colors) of SWOS could be ported back to the Amiga (like recently happened with Turrican 2). Also, the whdload version has still those old issues: - saving / loading tactics does not work - reading files from the "save" directory is bugged (eg CUSTOMS.EDT file is not read properly) I hope this can be fixed. Last edited by Playaveli; 05 May 2021 at 02:10.

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19 June 2016, 18:54	#5
macce2 Retro maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Age: 49 Posts: 1,219	After trying some WHDload versions of SWOS, I tried the floppy version of SWOS (96-97 ?!) on my A4000D and was quite happy with it, because I was able to save a career. I think the game runs on my A4000 (040@25) at quite ideal speed (?!), not too slow or fast. However, that's only my opinion. Last night I decided to try the game on my A500 (ECS Agnus, 1 Mb Ram) and was suprised to find that it works. However, I was more suprised to find out SWOS runs a lot faster on my A500! It has no accelerator installed, only the trapdoor Ram expansion. In my opinion, the game runs way too fast! :-o How can that be ?

19 June 2016, 20:50	#8
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	theres also a HDF Floating around that I think works on 1mb chip and fast ram but seems to take forever to load on 68000 this might be the reason swos is slower on your 68040 than on your 68000 http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=5372

20 June 2016, 20:46	#9
macce2 Retro maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Age: 49 Posts: 1,219	Anyway, I do like the speed SWOS currently runs on my A4000 (Caches enabled). I think it is way more "realistic" speed. Of course, too much slower won't be good. however, I think I'm a little surprised to think that Sensible Soccer and SWOS games were meant to run such a speed that they run on my A500. Many of you will disagree with that. I mean, the game is much more playable at A LITTLE slower speed. :-D Btw, AGA fixed / specific (floppy) version of SWOS doesn't exist, does it..?!? :-o

18 September 2016, 04:52	#10
DesktopDynamite Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: MALTA Posts: 104	Any updates?

12 February 2018, 16:12	#11
Martijn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Utrecht, NL Posts: 15	Really curious if there's any update to this. I've recently expanded my A500 with an ACA500plus and WHDLoad, and SWOS is my number 1 game from back in the days. I would really love to be able to run it on 1MB chip...

16 May 2018, 21:20	#15
DesktopDynamite Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: MALTA Posts: 104	Hi again, any updates regarding this please ?

16 February 2021, 00:08	#16
DesktopDynamite Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: MALTA Posts: 104	Bumping this any updates ? Need to run SWOS [any version] for a 1MB chip RAM, 8MB fast RAM [using Kipper A508 board]. Thanks!

04 May 2021, 22:48	#17
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	doing one at the moment, which apparently fixes the slowdown issues with accelerators. The game isn't AGA but using fast memory isn't exactly trivial (but it's doable) which probably explains why Galahad didn't see the interest at the time. A lot of slaves made 20 years ago assumed high spec amigas (A1200/68020), didn't care a lot about using fastmem as expansion memory Now we see that low-spec machines are making their comeback through cheap expansions. That's good, but we need to fix the old greedy slaves too.

20 May 2021, 12:49	#19
frozen Registered User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Italy Posts: 73	Yes maybe using only fast ram instead of chip ram as a choice in the WHDLOAD options

20 May 2021, 13:04	#20
Steve I Identify as an Ewok Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: North Lincolnshire Age: 45 Posts: 2,356	The old SWOS HD installer used to cause a crash at the end of a season during the viewing final leagues section that takes a few minutes. It wouldn't happen every season. Maybe after a couple of seasons play but it would always happen. Does this occur with WHDLoad version as well?

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