Supra 500XP won't detect hard disk!

MoRetro · 16 March 2016, 09:37

Hi guys,

I have this Supra 500XP for many years on my A500.
Last time i used it was 10 years ago.
This weekend I connected it again to my A500. The Supra 500XP didn't find the harddisk. Although I can hear the motor of the Quantum drive spinning.
The 1MB ram in the Supra was detected and worked flawlessly.

This morning before going to work I tested the Quantum hard disk in my A590 and the disk was detected.
I had a WB 1.3 floppy in my A500 so i think that's why the A590 didn't boot from the Quantum drive.
Once the Workbench 1.3 was loaded from floppy I could access the 2 partitions on the Quantum drive.
I'll try this evening without the floppy inserted.

Questions:
What can i do to make the Quantum boot again in the Supra 500XP?
Are there any diagnose steps I can apply?

Any help would be kindly accepted.

All the best,
Mo

Jope · 16 March 2016, 10:03

Check the jumpers/dip switches in the supra?

MoRetro · 16 March 2016, 12:27

Thanks for the answer Jope.

I verified the external dipswitches yesterday. There is block of 5 dip switches. 1,2 &3 is for the SCSI device, fourth is for autoboot and the fifth is for RAM on/off.
The SCSI is set to zero (first 3 down), fourth is also down for the autoboot and the fifth is up to enable the RAM.

This evening i will check the connectors and cables in Supra for any oxidation and see what it gives.

You never know after ten years in the attic

All the best,
Mo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Check the jumpers/dip switches in the supra?

Jope · 16 March 2016, 14:33

Good luck! :-)

MoRetro · 16 March 2016, 21:23

Coming home i did the following:
I've removed my WB 1.3 floppy and booted the a590 with the Quantum connected.
It booted just like it was 10 years ago with the Supra 500XP.

I noticed that the Quantum Prodrive LPS was faster than the Seagate 325N that came with the A590!

The Quantum drive is thus OK, so back to Supra 500XP again:

- I've disconnected and reconnected all the cables.
- Reseated all the IC's
- Connected the Supra 500XP to the A500. Motor of Quantum is spinning but drive led is not active.

Yesterday I runned SupraHDtools from my Gotek and it didn't detect the Quantum.

So what can i do more?
Any help is welcome.

All the best,
Mo

MoRetro · 18 March 2016, 18:54

Hi guys,

I'm stil stuck with this.
The SupraChkRom says the AMAB5 ROM is good.
The SupraHDTools doesn't find any SCSI device

What can i check next?
Any advise i could apply to solve this?

All the best,
Mo

Arnie · 18 March 2016, 19:06

Have you tried the Seagate in the Supra?

MoRetro · 18 March 2016, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

Have you tried the Seagate in the Supra?

I just did and the Seagate wasn't detected by SupraHDTools neither.

Arnie · 18 March 2016, 21:48

Which WB are you using?
Try to see if the Supra is detected as a SCSI board. Maybe use Sysinfo or similar.

Are you sure the SCSI Id = 0 for the software to detect the HD?

mark_k · 18 March 2016, 22:30

What model is the Quantum hard disk? Can you upload some pics of it as fitted in to the 500XP board?

MoRetro · 19 March 2016, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

Which WB are you using?
Try to see if the Supra is detected as a SCSI board. Maybe use Sysinfo or similar.

Are you sure the SCSI Id = 0 for the software to detect the HD?

I have taken some pictures of Sysinfo.
The board is detected by Sysinfo both RAM &SCSI!

The drive is set to SCSI ID=0. There is a 6pin flatcable connected to the drive and the dipswitches, so you can access the the drive settings externally. I tried also direct ID setting on the drive without the cable.

MoRetro · 19 March 2016, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_k

What model is the Quantum hard disk? Can you upload some pics of it as fitted in to the 500XP board?

The drive is a Quantum Prodrive LPS. See picture.
This drive works in my A590

I will take some pictures this afternoon.

MoRetro · 19 March 2016, 13:37

Here are some more pictures of the Supra 500XP & Quantum drive

I forgot to mention in the previous that the A500 has kickstart 1.3 and I'm using a WB 1.3 boot floppy.

All the best,
Mo

Arnie · 19 March 2016, 18:01

Isn't the Supra disk floppy install bootable? I know the A590 install disk is.

Have you tried booting from it and setting up the drive.

EDIT: Try using the A590 power supply instead of the Supra Power supply.

MoRetro · 19 March 2016, 18:35

Thanks Arnie,

Can't find the original Supra bootfloppy.
I will transfer the Supra boot adf from my Gotek to a floppy when i'm home.
The PSU I'm using is from the A590 because it has the power sensing pin.

All the best,
Mo

Arnie · 19 March 2016, 18:41

I found a load of Supra boot/tools disks on the Amiga Hardware site. Is your disk A, B or C version?

MoRetro · 19 March 2016, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

I found a load of Supra boot/tools disks on the Amiga Hardware site. Is your disk A, B or C version?

It's Supraboot v3.8 B.
I'll try it when I'm home.

All the best,
Mo

MoRetro · 21 March 2016, 22:41

I have finally booted with the Suprabootdisk v3.8B.
The result however is still the same. On the Supratools disk there were some Supra commands that I tried.
The result is in the pics.

After that I removed the Quantum drive and reseated IC1 to 4. And then i put the disk back.

I reconnected the Supra to the A500 and this time I was even further from home, only a white screen on the monitor: (

MoRetro · 22 March 2016, 23:50

What is the function of the IC's 1 to 4? These are labelled 64-1A,64-2A, 64-3B & 64-4B.
Are these available?
I would like have this 500XP working again☺

All the best,
Mo

r.cade · 23 March 2016, 01:08

They are PALs, which is essentially custom logic. If they are bad, it is over- there is no way to make new ones unless someone has a copy of the original logic programming.

16 March 2016, 09:37	#1
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	Supra 500XP won't detect hard disk! Hi guys, I have this Supra 500XP for many years on my A500. Last time i used it was 10 years ago. This weekend I connected it again to my A500. The Supra 500XP didn't find the harddisk. Although I can hear the motor of the Quantum drive spinning. The 1MB ram in the Supra was detected and worked flawlessly. This morning before going to work I tested the Quantum hard disk in my A590 and the disk was detected. I had a WB 1.3 floppy in my A500 so i think that's why the A590 didn't boot from the Quantum drive. Once the Workbench 1.3 was loaded from floppy I could access the 2 partitions on the Quantum drive. I'll try this evening without the floppy inserted. Questions: What can i do to make the Quantum boot again in the Supra 500XP? Are there any diagnose steps I can apply? Any help would be kindly accepted. All the best, Mo

16 March 2016, 21:23	#5
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	Coming home i did the following: I've removed my WB 1.3 floppy and booted the a590 with the Quantum connected. It booted just like it was 10 years ago with the Supra 500XP. I noticed that the Quantum Prodrive LPS was faster than the Seagate 325N that came with the A590! The Quantum drive is thus OK, so back to Supra 500XP again: - I've disconnected and reconnected all the cables. - Reseated all the IC's - Connected the Supra 500XP to the A500. Motor of Quantum is spinning but drive led is not active. Yesterday I runned SupraHDtools from my Gotek and it didn't detect the Quantum. So what can i do more? Any help is welcome. All the best, Mo

18 March 2016, 18:54	#6
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	Hi guys, I'm stil stuck with this. The SupraChkRom says the AMAB5 ROM is good. The SupraHDTools doesn't find any SCSI device What can i check next? Any advise i could apply to solve this? All the best, Mo Attached Thumbnails

19 March 2016, 13:37	#13
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	Here are some more pictures of the Supra 500XP & Quantum drive I forgot to mention in the previous that the A500 has kickstart 1.3 and I'm using a WB 1.3 boot floppy. All the best, Mo Attached Thumbnails

19 March 2016, 18:01	#14
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Isn't the Supra disk floppy install bootable? I know the A590 install disk is. Have you tried booting from it and setting up the drive. EDIT: Try using the A590 power supply instead of the Supra Power supply. Last edited by Arnie; 19 March 2016 at 18:09.

16 March 2016, 10:03	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,921	Check the jumpers/dip switches in the supra?

16 March 2016, 14:33	#4
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,921	Good luck! :-)

18 March 2016, 19:06	#7
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Have you tried the Seagate in the Supra?

18 March 2016, 21:48	#9
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Which WB are you using? Try to see if the Supra is detected as a SCSI board. Maybe use Sysinfo or similar. Are you sure the SCSI Id = 0 for the software to detect the HD?

18 March 2016, 22:30	#10
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,351	What model is the Quantum hard disk? Can you upload some pics of it as fitted in to the 500XP board?

19 March 2016, 18:35	#15
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	Thanks Arnie, Can't find the original Supra bootfloppy. I will transfer the Supra boot adf from my Gotek to a floppy when i'm home. The PSU I'm using is from the A590 because it has the power sensing pin. All the best, Mo

19 March 2016, 18:41	#16
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	I found a load of Supra boot/tools disks on the Amiga Hardware site. Is your disk A, B or C version?

21 March 2016, 22:41	#18
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	I have finally booted with the Suprabootdisk v3.8B. The result however is still the same. On the Supratools disk there were some Supra commands that I tried. The result is in the pics. After that I removed the Quantum drive and reseated IC1 to 4. And then i put the disk back. I reconnected the Supra to the A500 and this time I was even further from home, only a white screen on the monitor: ( Attached Thumbnails

22 March 2016, 23:50	#19
MoRetro Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 59	What is the function of the IC's 1 to 4? These are labelled 64-1A,64-2A, 64-3B & 64-4B. Are these available? I would like have this 500XP working again☺ All the best, Mo

23 March 2016, 01:08	#20
r.cade Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Augusta, Georgia, USA Posts: 552	They are PALs, which is essentially custom logic. If they are bad, it is over- there is no way to make new ones unless someone has a copy of the original logic programming.

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