transcend pcmcia adapter and 16gb sandisk ultra a1200 cant see

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 03:57

ok this is pissing me off,

spent hours on this and getting nowhere.

right have a transcend pcmcia adapter and a sandisk ultra 16gb. both bought from amazon sold by amazon. cf card works in pc.

installed all the cda 1.32 and fat95 stuff. tested in winuae can see card.

on real amiga a1200 running wb3.1 and kickstart 3.0. using the same hd I used in winuae, and it sees nothing. prepcard can see the sandisk and reports some info.

so found an old 256mb sandisk that's actually knackered and the amiga sees it and displays cf0:???

so what gives? is there a limit on the size of cf card? according to all the info I can find no.

I'm running 43.45 I think of scsi.device.

supaduper · 30 January 2017, 07:45

Could still be the card as they are picky on the pcmcia port or the driver install could be not quite right

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 11:56

has anyone compiled a list of working cards? I thought the sandisk ultra's were supposed to be the best bet. I might buy a smaller one and see if it works.

also forgot to mention I have pfsaio installed on the amiga hd.

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 14:08

just noticed the sandisk ultra I have tested has a silver front and says udm-7 50mb/s.

the old sandisk ultras are black fronted and 30mb/s.

I wonder if these are a new type that are incompatible.

Daedalus · 30 January 2017, 14:15

Hmmm, could just be incompatible. From experience, the PCMCIA method of connecting is less fussy about cards than internal IDE - I've yet to find one that didn't work in PCMCIA, but found a few that don't work on IDE. But the Amiga's is an old implementation so it might be the case that card manufacturers aren't worried about compatibility any more...

IT shouldn't have anything to do with the scsi.device or the filesystem used for your hard drive - the only parts used are Fat95 (the filesystem) and compactflash.device (the hardware driver).

fgh · 30 January 2017, 14:23

The CFD driver is not perfect, but at least there is no limit on card size. (TD64s support)
Scsi.device 45.45 and pfs3aio sounds good but has nothing to do with your PCMCIA.

There is a new version 1.33 of CFD, patched by Paul Carter (not by Torsten Jager as before) after it went open source.
I didn't try it yet, but it should fix some cards. Download it here.

I haven't used the pcmcia in a few years, but last time I ended up reverting from 1.32 to 1.27 on my old a600. Didn't have time to properly check and document it though.
But if the new version shouldn't work, you could also give an older version a try in case something broke in 1.32. (1.25 is on aminet)

Before giving up you could also try the mountlist entries flags=1 and flags=2 as described in the readme.

(I have the opposite experience of Daedalus, that there are more cards that work on IDE than PCMCIA.)

idrougge · 30 January 2017, 14:36

How did you test it in UAE exactly?

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 14:37

thanks guys ill try that new version and see if it works.

has anyone got the 1.27 version so I can try that also?

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by idrougge

How did you test it in UAE exactly?

I did what I thought was correct.

I mounted it under harddrives as a a1200 pcmcia drive and set it to ide rather than sram.

powrslave · 30 January 2017, 16:58

On the amiga did you type mount cf0: in cli

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 17:47

sort of, i have cf0: in dos drivers folder. when I double clicked the icon to check it said already mounted.

cypher007 · 30 January 2017, 20:22

anyone got 1.27?

powrslave · 30 January 2017, 22:53

did you type cardreset in cli

cypher007 · 31 January 2017, 00:25

nope I thought that was for net cards.

ive had a go with some transcend industrial 2gb cards, that wouldn't format due to damage, but I found one of my card readers would eventually repair/format them. anyway they work fine.

I tried 1.33 and kickstart 3.1 still no go with the sandisk.

so it seems these are now incompatible.

does anyone update cfd? could they fix it?

Daedalus · 31 January 2017, 09:39

Cardreset is for any card that's in the PCMCIA slot during boot, but you don't need it if you plug in the card afterwards.

It seems cfd has been updated relatively recently and it's open source, so hopefully someone can update it. Perhaps it's worth trying to contact the developer with the debug information from the card, and maybe offer to send it to him.

idrougge · 31 January 2017, 12:20

There was a long thread about certain CF cards misbehaving with cfd.device here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=41220

cypher007 · 31 January 2017, 16:03

does anyone know Paul Carter's email?

powrslave · 31 January 2017, 17:25

boot into a classicwb.abime.net install, mount cf0: and I bet it works

cypher007 · 31 January 2017, 19:13

might dig out another hd and give it a go.

seems strange it works with the 2gb transcends though.

idrougge · 31 January 2017, 23:09

If it works with one but not with the other, there's nothing a ClassicWB install can do.

30 January 2017, 03:57	#1
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	transcend pcmcia adapter and 16gb sandisk ultra a1200 cant see ok this is pissing me off, spent hours on this and getting nowhere. right have a transcend pcmcia adapter and a sandisk ultra 16gb. both bought from amazon sold by amazon. cf card works in pc. installed all the cda 1.32 and fat95 stuff. tested in winuae can see card. on real amiga a1200 running wb3.1 and kickstart 3.0. using the same hd I used in winuae, and it sees nothing. prepcard can see the sandisk and reports some info. so found an old 256mb sandisk that's actually knackered and the amiga sees it and displays cf0:??? so what gives? is there a limit on the size of cf card? according to all the info I can find no. I'm running 43.45 I think of scsi.device.

30 January 2017, 17:47	#11
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	sort of, i have cf0: in dos drivers folder. when I double clicked the icon to check it said already mounted. Last edited by cypher007; 30 January 2017 at 18:12.

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30 January 2017, 07:45	#2
supaduper Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Krypton Posts: 1,224	Could still be the card as they are picky on the pcmcia port or the driver install could be not quite right

30 January 2017, 11:56	#3
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	has anyone compiled a list of working cards? I thought the sandisk ultra's were supposed to be the best bet. I might buy a smaller one and see if it works. also forgot to mention I have pfsaio installed on the amiga hd.

30 January 2017, 14:08	#4
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	just noticed the sandisk ultra I have tested has a silver front and says udm-7 50mb/s. the old sandisk ultras are black fronted and 30mb/s. I wonder if these are a new type that are incompatible.

30 January 2017, 14:15	#5
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,380	Hmmm, could just be incompatible. From experience, the PCMCIA method of connecting is less fussy about cards than internal IDE - I've yet to find one that didn't work in PCMCIA, but found a few that don't work on IDE. But the Amiga's is an old implementation so it might be the case that card manufacturers aren't worried about compatibility any more... IT shouldn't have anything to do with the scsi.device or the filesystem used for your hard drive - the only parts used are Fat95 (the filesystem) and compactflash.device (the hardware driver).

30 January 2017, 14:23	#6
fgh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 833	The CFD driver is not perfect, but at least there is no limit on card size. (TD64s support) Scsi.device 45.45 and pfs3aio sounds good but has nothing to do with your PCMCIA. There is a new version 1.33 of CFD, patched by Paul Carter (not by Torsten Jager as before) after it went open source. I didn't try it yet, but it should fix some cards. Download it here. I haven't used the pcmcia in a few years, but last time I ended up reverting from 1.32 to 1.27 on my old a600. Didn't have time to properly check and document it though. But if the new version shouldn't work, you could also give an older version a try in case something broke in 1.32. (1.25 is on aminet) Before giving up you could also try the mountlist entries flags=1 and flags=2 as described in the readme. (I have the opposite experience of Daedalus, that there are more cards that work on IDE than PCMCIA.)

30 January 2017, 14:36	#7
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,357	How did you test it in UAE exactly?

30 January 2017, 14:37	#8
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	thanks guys ill try that new version and see if it works. has anyone got the 1.27 version so I can try that also?

30 January 2017, 16:58	#10
powrslave A1200 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: USA-East Coast Posts: 111	On the amiga did you type mount cf0: in cli

30 January 2017, 20:22	#12
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	anyone got 1.27?

30 January 2017, 22:53	#13
powrslave A1200 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: USA-East Coast Posts: 111	did you type cardreset in cli

31 January 2017, 00:25	#14
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	nope I thought that was for net cards. ive had a go with some transcend industrial 2gb cards, that wouldn't format due to damage, but I found one of my card readers would eventually repair/format them. anyway they work fine. I tried 1.33 and kickstart 3.1 still no go with the sandisk. so it seems these are now incompatible. does anyone update cfd? could they fix it?

31 January 2017, 09:39	#15
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,380	Cardreset is for any card that's in the PCMCIA slot during boot, but you don't need it if you plug in the card afterwards. It seems cfd has been updated relatively recently and it's open source, so hopefully someone can update it. Perhaps it's worth trying to contact the developer with the debug information from the card, and maybe offer to send it to him.

31 January 2017, 12:20	#16
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,357	There was a long thread about certain CF cards misbehaving with cfd.device here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=41220

31 January 2017, 16:03	#17
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	does anyone know Paul Carter's email?

31 January 2017, 17:25	#18
powrslave A1200 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: USA-East Coast Posts: 111	boot into a classicwb.abime.net install, mount cf0: and I bet it works

31 January 2017, 19:13	#19
cypher007 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: uk Posts: 150	might dig out another hd and give it a go. seems strange it works with the 2gb transcends though.

31 January 2017, 23:09	#20
idrougge Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 4,357	If it works with one but not with the other, there's nothing a ClassicWB install can do.

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