16 April 2010, 22:50 | #1 |
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A... Coldfire Projects
What happened to the interesting Amiga Coldfire Project?
The Atari Coldfire Project seems alive and kicking. |
16 April 2010, 22:52 | #2 |
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I think we should steal it
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16 April 2010, 23:07 | #3 |
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Seems like the Atari scene is a lot more dedicated and effective than the Amiga scene
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17 April 2010, 21:28 | #4 |
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Yeah, and they got 100MHz 060 too... lets convert
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17 April 2010, 21:48 | #5 |
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Unless you compile every app for Coldfire too it would run in emulation mode which will be really slow on 266MHz.
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Not what they are saying, apparently it will be a Falcon clone like they have made before. This means it should be full speed.
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17 April 2010, 21:57 | #7 |
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Apparently the newer versions of Coldfire have implemented all the missing 68k instructions and are binary compatible. That's what these guys reckon anyway.
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Hm, found something after all
http://www.cdtv.org.uk/coldfire/1154.html http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/coldfirev4.html |
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Alex, you've been critical about Natami before, and now about these projects, but I don't see the point. Is it how they do it, or don't you like the whole idea?
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18 April 2010, 09:47 | #11 |
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The advantage what they have is that their operating system (MiNT) is open source and can be compiled for Coldfire too. But everything else needs emulation. It might be faster than a stock Falcon with 030 but a Falcon with CT60/63 would kick ass this new board unless its native.
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18 April 2010, 17:55 | #13 |
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I think I understand the problem with Coldfire better now
http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2008/03/col...am-begins.html |
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I have cheered for the developers of MiniMig (Dennis van Weeren, Jakub Bednarski), Suska (Wolfgang Förster), FPGA Arcade (MikeJ) and even some members of NatAmi (their lead coder Thomas Hirsch seems to be a good guy). The ideas are admirable. But when they discover that there is a technical impass (such as high speed 68k compatibility using existing coldfire chips, or the speed and cost of FPGA chips) they need to hold up their hands and say "Ah yes, this isn't going to work is it?" instead of spending years making people believe (and in some cases pay) for something that will never become anything. Last edited by alexh; 18 April 2010 at 18:42. |
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I am the one who is coordinating the Atari Coldfire Project for 17 months now. Quote:
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You are talking about a team which includes all 4 former Clone producers. Fredi Aschwanden, who did the Medusa and Hades computers, Milan, and Wolfgang Förster who did the Suska. Also there are many of the important MiNT developers, EmuTOS developers, names like Didier Méquignon, Thomas Baumgärtner (Soundpool), Vincent Rivière or Henk Robbers who speak for themselves. In fine, you are talking about the "Who is who" of atari scene and developers, who already produced 4 times working Atari compatible computers, ... We also got official TOS-licences and the soucecode as well. You do not have to cheer our project, but I like to ask you to not make the public fear, as you also never have seen the contracts with Medusa Computer Systems, preordering persons got. Quote:
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There were some videos of the Dragon in Action, But I dont think it was a trapdoor expansion.
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Realistically thought, you're are not going to be able to make an Atari Falcon clone using an existing Coldfire processor and get it to run binary 68k code anywhere near as fast as an 060 based CT63 or Milan because of the incompatibilities?
Push home that while high compatibility with Falcon hardware is the goal it will be a long time coming, if it is at all possible with the first generation FPGA boards. Honesty at this level and my attitude will change. Quote:
It is a very good goal, but should include emphasis this is a long term goal for the underlying HDL cores. That compatibility of this type will take many man years. Sounds like you have a fighting chance of producing something. Possibly not commercially viable for home consumers for 10+ years but fun none the less. Quote:
Be honest and you'll be surprised how few of the potential users will leave. Good luck. All the best. Last edited by alexh; 20 April 2010 at 12:41. |
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