18 April 2010, 17:59 | #1 |
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Is it really hit & miss with CF-IDE adapters?
I have bought a grand total of 3 adapters and two have come failing. I bought them from different sources and all.
Is it really that much hit&miss or am I having bad luck with my distributors? I just plug them in the Amiga and the Amiga won't boot. It's a shame! |
18 April 2010, 18:22 | #2 |
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Good question.. I've bought several different types myself, but none have failed to work so far.
Has your card been proven to work with a certain CF-IDE adapter? |
18 April 2010, 19:45 | #3 | |
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You say they dont boot, do you mean you get kickstart screen? If so, what happens when you soft boot? |
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18 April 2010, 21:17 | #4 |
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CF->IDE adapters I have not had a problem with, I would say I have porbably gone through all the known types as well. I have had problems with cards though.... irrespective of adapter. |
19 April 2010, 00:21 | #5 |
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Iv'e bought from various sources too and had no trouble with the adaptors themselves
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MIND YOU, I always got the type that has a FEMALE IDE connector. I've seen here that MALE connector types are the ones to be found the most. The cards are not to blame, they ran fine in the adapter that works fine. They are similar to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Compact-Flash-CF...item19bb68bc28 |
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I am sorry to say that I seriously doubt the adapter is the problem, I have 44 male / female varients as well as 40pin male/female vareints too. I have recently been playing with a 4GB SD card and IDE adapter, very good results so far. I do believe it likely either a card or setup incompatability. alas I know that you are proficeint enough to set up a hard disk, so there must be somthing else we are missing....... I will say that I have a couple of CF cards (from 64mb to 4GB ) that work fine on a PC via USB or PCMCIA adapter, but WONT work at all or wont work 100% on the Amiga. A recently problem was when a nice chap on AmiBay (mantas) fell foul to an unlucky generic 4GB CF card, works fine on a PC via WinUAE, but on the Amiga, anything over a file size of 3.5MB fails... or bombs out loading. I tried changing the MaxTransfer Settings, alas still no good, even setting up on the Amiga it still proved the same fault. I have a 256MB Ivision that has exactly the problem you describe I can setup a workbench on it, but it wont boot on a real Amiga, only via WinUAE. I have a 64MB and a 512MB generics that read/write fine on the PC but NOT on the Amiga, it just wont write to the card.... Last edited by Zetr0; 19 April 2010 at 02:48. |
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19 April 2010, 02:12 | #9 |
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I have some of those 64/128/256Mb that don't work on the Amiga, even on the PCMCIA via an adaptor.
A Kodak branded unit and another Xing-Ling one (unbranded). Both freezes the Amiga when inserted in the PCMCIA adaptor. Not tested as HD (no need for: all my Amigas with HD controller have 2Gb or more HD/CF). |
19 April 2010, 09:10 | #10 |
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got 3 cf adapters here 2 female 40pin and 1 44pin male, never had a problem
well apart from dual cf not working in wb3 reliably |
21 April 2010, 04:45 | #11 |
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Retro, with all due respect, I said: the cards work fine in another adapter. And I tested with more than one card and with more than one computer. It's NOT the card(s). It's NOT the computer(s).
As soon as I plug that adapter with any card, the Amiga will load to a black screen. And this happened to me already with two adapters of the same type. As I said in my post they are LIKE that I linked but NOT EXACTLY that "brand"/model. I can post a pic of the culprit tomorrow if that helps. I also gotta mention that I got them from at least two different sources |
21 April 2010, 18:17 | #12 |
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Bad solder joints at the CF socket, perhaps?
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22 April 2010, 00:18 | #13 |
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Got one and it worked great, then one day it decided it wanted to retire, the amiga was running and suddenly couldn't save to the hard disk anymore.
After that I couldn't boot from the CF. As the soldering on the adapter is the worst I've ever seen I re-soldered again everywhere... same story, didn't work. I bought another one on ebay (very cheap, you can find them for around 7 euro including shipping here in Germany), I wanted a different kind but couldn't find it, so I bought again the same model. Same story, can't boot from the CF anymore (tried another card as well and they both work fine on UAE). Funny thing is that if I plug in a hard disk I can partition it using the HDtools (while nothing is shown if I use the CF adapter), so it's not a motherboard issue. I'll try to do a new install on the hard disk next weekend but I'm p**** off because I liked the much smaller CF/IDE solution, mostly because it's very simple to run the very same configuration on the real hardware and winuae Here's an image of the sucker (it's detailed enough to appreciate the "quality" of the soldering): |
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the CF adapters listed here so far are passive,
thats to say its nothing more than wires connecting 40 or 44 pin IDE to 50pin CF card the Adapter has only two responsibilities, 1. put the CF card into (TRUE) IDE mode, (CF pins 36 and 44 must be tied to vcc on the host) (CF Pins 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and pin 17 are grounded at the Host) 2. passive route of the I/O the real work is done by the CF card, to be fair if the adapter stops known devices from working then clearly its faulty, I would send it back/ask for refund. |
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<-- has a CF adapter & IDE controller that autoboots with the 8gb sandisk compact flash card.
But, you are probably having a CF card/IDE controller problem, not a problem with the adapter. Last edited by Shadowfire; 27 April 2010 at 02:23. |
27 April 2010, 02:40 | #16 |
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I wonder when people will start to read what I posted.
This thread could helpfully recognize a whole batch of adapters that do NOT work or tend to bring factory faults. |
27 April 2010, 03:13 | #17 |
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so got any pics of the ones that don`t work
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27 April 2010, 22:49 | #18 |
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Well, I'd suggest looking at the surface mount pads where the CF slot meets the board. Thats the most likely place you may find shorts.
I bought a few similar ones on ebay a few months back, they have pretty bad solder jobs, one didn't even have solder in some of the the thru-hole floppy disk power connector pads. I kind of assumed that they did the surface mount stuff with a cheap stencil printer, then went back and soldered the thru hole stuff in by hand. |
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