PC music program

Galahad/FLT · 28 February 2008, 00:10

Should really be in Off topic, but I know a lot of people don't ever read in there.

Been looking on www.amigaremix.com and been listening to some really nice tunes.

Does anyone know what PC music program these guys are using? Is it all done with keyboards and midi, or some kind of tracker program?

FromWithin · 28 February 2008, 02:48

Keyboards and MIDI? It's all plugins now, matey.

It's highly unlikely that any will use a tracker. Choose from the following most likely candidates:
Nuendo/Cubase
Sonar
Reason
FruityLoops
Logic (Mac only)

And some less likely ones:
AbletonLive
Tracktion
Digital Performer (Mac only)
ProTools.

My weapons of choice would actually be keyboards and MIDI if my Amiga hard drive hadn't totally died (I really miss Bars n Pipes). I use Tracktion and a mountain of freeware plugins these days.

Galahad/FLT · 28 February 2008, 09:10

Top man

PaulyQ · 28 February 2008, 22:08

Fruity Loops 7 is the dogs danglies..... use it to make my tunes. I use it as it is more like a tracker than anything else I've used so was easy to get used to. it has a really easy learning curve and then once you dig under the bonnet it just gets better.

Will send you a PM with further details bud!!

JumpingJackson · 29 February 2008, 00:26

Funny you guys mention this. I am heading the other way and getting some Amiga trackers to create chiptune.

PaulyQ · 29 February 2008, 00:33

@Neonbible...

no need, get yourself FL7 and then download Quadrasid VST... can do chiptune sounds a treat as can Vanguard VST.

@FromWithin:

Logic (Mac only) ............... nah, there is still a PC version(5.5.1 was the last release I know of), it's just getting on a bit now

29 February 2008, 01:27

I would recommend checking www.renoise.com, this a great tracker made for those of us who grew up with the Amiga trackers but now want to use that knowledge for professional tunes. This software is great and has been used for several commercial tunes already. Cheers, Timo

JumpingJackson · 29 February 2008, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

@Neonbible...

no need, get yourself FL7 and then download Quadrasid VST... can do chiptune sounds a treat as can Vanguard VST.

I already have FL7! and I agree its an awesome app.

However like Im said Im going backwards and working with old skool applications.

The problem with FL7 is that it doesnt have a tracker interface which can be amazingly fast with the keyboard. FL7 et al are good for MIDI recording but thats not what Im working on.

Im going to try Protracker.

FromWithin · 29 February 2008, 22:29

Try Renoise like ami_junkie suggested. It's a "proper" tracker. It's very good indeed.

PaulyQ · 01 March 2008, 00:19

Renoise is good. Accepted!!

FL7 is MIDI enabled, doesn't mean it is a MIDI recorder(that means it would just record MIDI notes) not on your nelly fella, it's a full on music app with VST/DXi support that just happens to support MIDI. Not trying to throw my music at you but try http://v7music.com/artists/bands/6/audio.php Quantum Flux is my artist name. Have a listen to a few of the songs and then tell me that is MIDI recording (I'm not splitting hairs, just want to make a point about MIDI recording and music creation so everybody is clear. They are free to download. For your info.... there isn't ONE hardware synth used in ANY of them tunes!! For me MIDI recording is music along the lines of the early PC games and/or something along the likes of Wing Commander 1.

Does Renoise support re-wire? If so you could link in FL7 and ReBirth/Reason as well. Would make a formidable combo of you really want to go "tracker".

IMHO a tracker is great, a sequencer is better. Trackers make more work in this day and age in my opinion.

spiff · 01 March 2008, 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromWithin

K. I use Tracktion and a mountain of freeware plugins these days.

Heey, so you're the other guy that uses Tracktion!

Since the topic is PC music, I might as well ask here. I've been trying to find a soft synth that can reproduce the "beepy/flutish" sound from Depeche modes, everything counts. It can be heard the chorus. Has anyone got an idea of what it is, or how to configure it?

I'm pretty sure that the original synth used is some OPL4 or DX7 synth. But all the demos available all have "proper" instruments simulated not the classic computerized sound.

PaulyQ · 01 March 2008, 01:45

Hmmm...

sounds like a fairly simple sine wave, very possibly a OPL4, doubt it is a DX7, is a bit thin and also a bit early for a full digi synth, that sounds more organic and analogue(it is like a thin moog so possibly a mini moog which they used a lot). Don't forget, at this time they had moved into samplers such as the EMU 2 and 2+ at this time so it could even be a sample. Doubt it though.

JumpingJackson · 01 March 2008, 02:14

Pauly I am fully aware of what FL7 is. I am a fully registered customer, wouldnt pay for it if I didnt know what it was. Im just using Amiga bacause I am insterested in chiptune using old skool trackers and sounds.

A sequencer is not always better and this wast the point I was making. If iwas creating more organic music, I would use FL7. But I find trackers so much better for laying down drums and applying glitchy micro timed effects.

With a piano roll, you end up having to do a lot of work with the mouse which isn't as fast or accurate.

PaulyQ · 01 March 2008, 02:24

@neon... wasn't meaning to be patronising at all mate, just offering a balanced view for other users who may not have used FL7 and still see Fruity Loops as a drum machine. Also... Piano Roll.... rarely use the mouse myself... play the tune via my oxy8 or Korg DSS1 synth and then quantize... sometimes diddle a touch with the mouse but half the time can't be arsed

PaulyQ · 01 March 2008, 02:25

@Galahad... you've started a bloody war

LMAO

FromWithin · 01 March 2008, 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiff

Heey, so you're the other guy that uses Tracktion!

Since the topic is PC music, I might as well ask here. I've been trying to find a soft synth that can reproduce the "beepy/flutish" sound from Depeche modes, everything counts. It can be heard the chorus. Has anyone got an idea of that it is, or how to configure it?

I'm pretty sure that the original synth used is some OPL4 or DX7 synth. But all the demos available all have "proper" instruments simulated not the classic computerized sound.

It's a semi-square wave. Basically a square wave with rounded edges. You could easily recreate it with a slight low-pass filter on a pure square wave, or with an additive synth adding every odd harmonic at 50% amplitude of the preceeding harmonic until it sounds similar.

onkelarie · 01 March 2008, 10:52

I myself am an avid FLstudio. It works like a dream when using with a midi controller (using the Yamaha AN1x synth myself). Some work I did recently using FLstudio can be found at http://foem.info/index.php?option=co...=232&Itemid=80 .

A great example of what can be done with Renoise is ForceSupreme. He made numerous releases using Renoise with VST's (more at http://www.forcesupreme.com/ , try his Myspace page for samples of his work).

But in the end it comes all down on which sequencer/tracker works best for you.

spiff · 01 March 2008, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulyQ

sounds like a fairly simple sine wave, very possibly a OPL4, doubt it is a DX7, is a bit thin and also a bit early for a full digi synth

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromWithin

It's a semi-square wave. Basically a square wave with rounded edges. You could easily recreate it with a slight low-pass filter on a pure square wave, or with an additive synth adding every odd harmonic at 50% amplitude of the preceeding harmonic until it sounds similar.

Wow.. back to basics i guess. Thanks for the suggestions.

Mick_AKA · 01 March 2008, 15:11

What an awesome thread

I would love to use my Amiga for wonderous musical workings again, since I sold off my midi interface my smaller synths (particularly my Korg X5D) have been gathering dust

28 February 2008, 00:10	#1
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,016	PC music program Should really be in Off topic, but I know a lot of people don't ever read in there. Been looking on www.amigaremix.com and been listening to some really nice tunes. Does anyone know what PC music program these guys are using? Is it all done with keyboards and midi, or some kind of tracker program?

29 February 2008, 01:27	#7
ami_junkie Posts: n/a	Renoise might be worthwhile I would recommend checking www.renoise.com, this a great tracker made for those of us who grew up with the Amiga trackers but now want to use that knowledge for professional tunes. This software is great and has been used for several commercial tunes already. Cheers, Timo

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28 February 2008, 02:48	#2
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 50 Posts: 630	Keyboards and MIDI? It's all plugins now, matey. It's highly unlikely that any will use a tracker. Choose from the following most likely candidates: Nuendo/Cubase Sonar Reason FruityLoops Logic (Mac only) And some less likely ones: AbletonLive Tracktion Digital Performer (Mac only) ProTools. My weapons of choice would actually be keyboards and MIDI if my Amiga hard drive hadn't totally died (I really miss Bars n Pipes). I use Tracktion and a mountain of freeware plugins these days.

28 February 2008, 09:10	#3
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,016	Top man

28 February 2008, 22:08	#4
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	Fruity Loops 7 is the dogs danglies..... use it to make my tunes. I use it as it is more like a tracker than anything else I've used so was easy to get used to. it has a really easy learning curve and then once you dig under the bonnet it just gets better. Will send you a PM with further details bud!!

29 February 2008, 00:26	#5
JumpingJackson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Posts: 123	Funny you guys mention this. I am heading the other way and getting some Amiga trackers to create chiptune.

29 February 2008, 00:33	#6
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	@Neonbible... no need, get yourself FL7 and then download Quadrasid VST... can do chiptune sounds a treat as can Vanguard VST. @FromWithin: Logic (Mac only) ............... nah, there is still a PC version(5.5.1 was the last release I know of), it's just getting on a bit now

29 February 2008, 22:29	#9
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 50 Posts: 630	Try Renoise like ami_junkie suggested. It's a "proper" tracker. It's very good indeed.

01 March 2008, 00:19	#10
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	Renoise is good. Accepted!! FL7 is MIDI enabled, doesn't mean it is a MIDI recorder(that means it would just record MIDI notes) not on your nelly fella, it's a full on music app with VST/DXi support that just happens to support MIDI. Not trying to throw my music at you but try http://v7music.com/artists/bands/6/audio.php Quantum Flux is my artist name. Have a listen to a few of the songs and then tell me that is MIDI recording (I'm not splitting hairs, just want to make a point about MIDI recording and music creation so everybody is clear. They are free to download. For your info.... there isn't ONE hardware synth used in ANY of them tunes!! For me MIDI recording is music along the lines of the early PC games and/or something along the likes of Wing Commander 1. Does Renoise support re-wire? If so you could link in FL7 and ReBirth/Reason as well. Would make a formidable combo of you really want to go "tracker". IMHO a tracker is great, a sequencer is better. Trackers make more work in this day and age in my opinion.

01 March 2008, 01:45	#12
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	Hmmm... sounds like a fairly simple sine wave, very possibly a OPL4, doubt it is a DX7, is a bit thin and also a bit early for a full digi synth, that sounds more organic and analogue(it is like a thin moog so possibly a mini moog which they used a lot). Don't forget, at this time they had moved into samplers such as the EMU 2 and 2+ at this time so it could even be a sample. Doubt it though.

01 March 2008, 02:14	#13
JumpingJackson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Posts: 123	Pauly I am fully aware of what FL7 is. I am a fully registered customer, wouldnt pay for it if I didnt know what it was. Im just using Amiga bacause I am insterested in chiptune using old skool trackers and sounds. A sequencer is not always better and this wast the point I was making. If iwas creating more organic music, I would use FL7. But I find trackers so much better for laying down drums and applying glitchy micro timed effects. With a piano roll, you end up having to do a lot of work with the mouse which isn't as fast or accurate.

01 March 2008, 02:24	#14
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	@neon... wasn't meaning to be patronising at all mate, just offering a balanced view for other users who may not have used FL7 and still see Fruity Loops as a drum machine. Also... Piano Roll.... rarely use the mouse myself... play the tune via my oxy8 or Korg DSS1 synth and then quantize... sometimes diddle a touch with the mouse but half the time can't be arsed

01 March 2008, 02:25	#15
PaulyQ Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hartlepool, UK Age: 53 Posts: 237	@Galahad... you've started a bloody war LMAO

01 March 2008, 10:52	#17
onkelarie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Spijkenisse / the Netherlands Age: 54 Posts: 525	I myself am an avid FLstudio. It works like a dream when using with a midi controller (using the Yamaha AN1x synth myself). Some work I did recently using FLstudio can be found at http://foem.info/index.php?option=co...=232&Itemid=80 . A great example of what can be done with Renoise is ForceSupreme. He made numerous releases using Renoise with VST's (more at http://www.forcesupreme.com/ , try his Myspace page for samples of his work). But in the end it comes all down on which sequencer/tracker works best for you.

01 March 2008, 15:11	#19
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	What an awesome thread I would love to use my Amiga for wonderous musical workings again, since I sold off my midi interface my smaller synths (particularly my Korg X5D) have been gathering dust

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