Documentation for Micronics 68660, Elbox Zorro IV Busboard/Winner

alewis · 17 November 2006, 14:39

Anyone have any english documentation for either of the above boards? Have one of each, would be nice to see them in use.

Zetr0 · 17 November 2006, 20:11

@alewis

I have both boards two. with the exception of also having the Z4PCI module for the Z4 busboard.

Loopos was kind enough to send me an english pdf of the micronic busboard all i can find at the moment is the german version, if i get time i will photo copy it unless loopos beats me to it.

lopos2000 · 17 November 2006, 21:32

I uploaded the Micronik Z3 busboard instructions. I hope it's of any help to you.

alewis · 17 November 2006, 23:13

@lopos2000

Although I already had that, via one of the hardware sites, big thank you! Do you know if it applies to the 6860 (rev 5.44) too?

Anyone know why most of these - and A3/4k - expander boards are fitted with inactive ISA/PCI slots? *Other* than [possibly] with a Mediator, was there any point? I have an SBC card, but that needs a PCI and ISA in-line to work (so will go in one of the A4K expanders).

Which, in anyone's opinion, is the "better" board between the two?

Both have 5 x Zorro slots, and one video slot. I have the ZIV/Winner video adaptor which activates the slot.
Is the video slot in the Micronics active?
The Mironics has a plug fitted at top left of board. Anyone know what this is for?
The ZIV/Winner has what appears to be floppy power connector just above the main PSU connector. What is this for?

Thanks

Smiley · 18 November 2006, 14:03

I have an english manual for the 6860. It would need to be scanned in etc.

I also have the 6860 in my tower working fine with Spectrum 24/28, Highway usb and Apollo 1240

Secret Vampire · 18 November 2006, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by alewis

Anyone know why most of these - and A3/4k - expander boards are fitted with inactive ISA/PCI slots? *Other* than [possibly] with a Mediator, was there any point? I have an SBC card, but that needs a PCI and ISA in-line to work (so will go in one of the A4K expanders).

Bridgeboards is the obvious one, though there are also ISA only SBCs if you want a PC in your Amiga. The other, and perhaps more important reason is that a lot of cards related to video processing, such as timebase correctors, are designed to sit in ISA slots, they don't need to communicate with the computer, so just use the slot for power.

alewis · 18 November 2006, 23:40

Smiley - do you have access to a scanner? If not, if I offered postage here and back?

Also, do you have [access to] a digital camera? be very interested of close up shots of your 6860 install, esp the power connectors (from board to PSU) and jumper configs.

amigakit.com · 19 November 2006, 00:55

The following product may be useful:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=459

alewis · 19 November 2006, 01:00

Ta, although the expander board itself is powered: - the Micronics has 3 components: a trapdoor passthrough board, the Onboard-1200 trapdoor board, and the Ob-board zorro expander. Its the middle item I'm trying to figure out power for, the expander itself is already powered.

Smiley · 24 November 2006, 00:22

alewis I have PM'ed you

The 6860 board has a Micronik power header on the board.

I have a Micronik PSU but you may need an adapter cable

There should only be two items you need for this 6860 board.

A trapdoor passthrough board and the actual busboard. They attach using two long plugs.

I really dont see how you are having trouble as it is easy to set up.

Smiley · 24 November 2006, 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by alewis

Anyone know why most of these - and A3/4k - expander boards are fitted with inactive ISA/PCI slots?

So when you add a PC bridgeboard you can add ISA cards.

PCI slots are unused although I think they have power going to them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alewis

Which, in anyone's opinion, is the "better" board between the two?

The Z4 is a better board I believe. The 6860 is a predecessor of it

Quote:

Originally Posted by alewis

The Mironics has a plug fitted at top left of board. Anyone know what this is for?

Video Slot enabler.

alewis · 24 November 2006, 10:15

Need to post some labbelled piccies, I think I'm getting myself confused, as I have four expander boards; ZIV/Winner, On-Board, and 2 x Micronics 6860s

Zetr0 · 24 November 2006, 18:03

Technically its possible to use the PCI if you

1. use an A3000/A4000 accelerator card
2. use a mediator in the (now z3 active) slots and pci

the problem is compared to the A3000/A4000 Z3 ports they run slightly slower (about 85% of true Z3 speed) and there is NO DMA

but there are are so few that require pci addons that would require that (bennifit most likely but not require).

this is hypothetical as the micronic busboard design would probly require that you extend either the zorro / pci slot so there in line.

but either way its food for thought.

Jope · 25 November 2006, 10:35

PCI is easy enough to extend.. http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=8#p1908

17 November 2006, 14:39	#1
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 599	Documentation for Micronics 68660, Elbox Zorro IV Busboard/Winner Anyone have any english documentation for either of the above boards? Have one of each, would be nice to see them in use.

17 November 2006, 23:13	#4
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 599	@lopos2000 Although I already had that, via one of the hardware sites, big thank you! Do you know if it applies to the 6860 (rev 5.44) too? Anyone know why most of these - and A3/4k - expander boards are fitted with inactive ISA/PCI slots? Other than [possibly] with a Mediator, was there any point? I have an SBC card, but that needs a PCI and ISA in-line to work (so will go in one of the A4K expanders). Which, in anyone's opinion, is the "better" board between the two? Both have 5 x Zorro slots, and one video slot. I have the ZIV/Winner video adaptor which activates the slot. Is the video slot in the Micronics active? The Mironics has a plug fitted at top left of board. Anyone know what this is for? The ZIV/Winner has what appears to be floppy power connector just above the main PSU connector. What is this for? Thanks Last edited by alewis; 24 November 2006 at 10:13.

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17 November 2006, 20:11	#2
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 48 Posts: 9,768	@alewis I have both boards two. with the exception of also having the Z4PCI module for the Z4 busboard. Loopos was kind enough to send me an english pdf of the micronic busboard all i can find at the moment is the german version, if i get time i will photo copy it unless loopos beats me to it.

17 November 2006, 21:32	#3
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	I uploaded the Micronik Z3 busboard instructions. I hope it's of any help to you.

18 November 2006, 14:03	#5
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	I have an english manual for the 6860. It would need to be scanned in etc. I also have the 6860 in my tower working fine with Spectrum 24/28, Highway usb and Apollo 1240

18 November 2006, 23:40	#7
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 599	Smiley - do you have access to a scanner? If not, if I offered postage here and back? Also, do you have [access to] a digital camera? be very interested of close up shots of your 6860 install, esp the power connectors (from board to PSU) and jumper configs.

19 November 2006, 00:55	#8
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 1,982	The following product may be useful: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=459

19 November 2006, 01:00	#9
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 599	Ta, although the expander board itself is powered: - the Micronics has 3 components: a trapdoor passthrough board, the Onboard-1200 trapdoor board, and the Ob-board zorro expander. Its the middle item I'm trying to figure out power for, the expander itself is already powered.

24 November 2006, 00:22	#10
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	alewis I have PM'ed you The 6860 board has a Micronik power header on the board. I have a Micronik PSU but you may need an adapter cable There should only be two items you need for this 6860 board. A trapdoor passthrough board and the actual busboard. They attach using two long plugs. I really dont see how you are having trouble as it is easy to set up.

24 November 2006, 10:15	#12
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 599	Need to post some labbelled piccies, I think I'm getting myself confused, as I have four expander boards; ZIV/Winner, On-Board, and 2 x Micronics 6860s

24 November 2006, 18:03	#13
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 48 Posts: 9,768	Technically its possible to use the PCI if you 1. use an A3000/A4000 accelerator card 2. use a mediator in the (now z3 active) slots and pci the problem is compared to the A3000/A4000 Z3 ports they run slightly slower (about 85% of true Z3 speed) and there is NO DMA but there are are so few that require pci addons that would require that (bennifit most likely but not require). this is hypothetical as the micronic busboard design would probly require that you extend either the zorro / pci slot so there in line. but either way its food for thought.

25 November 2006, 10:35	#14
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,690	PCI is easy enough to extend.. http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=8#p1908

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