80gb hardisk on the A1200 help

[Fabie]

I installed an new 2.5 80gb hardisk on my A1200

but hdtoolbox recognizes it only as 128mb hardisk
hdtoolbox reports 16384 cylinders

ok

then I inserted by hand some numbers in the cylinder tab
I inserted 4096 on the cylinders tan and HDtoolbox recognizes now as 2gb hardisk
I formated the hardisk and it is working as 2gb hardisk and no problems
sysinfo reports 2.4mb/sec speed on the partitions I created.......which seems fast

but

how I can set the drive to work as 80gb hardisk??
it is possible ?

[cosmicfrog]

which hdtoolbox are u useing ??

at the very least u should use the one from wb3.9
fairly sure theres a better one on aminet

[thomas]

I does not matter which version of HDToolbox you use. The *driver* is not able to see more than 8GB. There is nothing another version of HDToolbox can do about it. You need to update the driver software first.

If you understand German, here is a guide how to use a big harddrive with free software: http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/bighdd/

OS 3.9 is a better solution, of course.

[orange]

think you should also use new setpatch, it has better scsi.device
also use pfs/sfs

[Eclipse]

http://translate.google.com/translat...de%2Fbighdd%2F

[Jimbo]

You could just use idefix 97 and SFS. Its what I did with my 60gig drive on WB 3.1

[fitzsteve]

My advice is to hook it up to a PC (I use of of those 2.5in HDD USB 2.0 enclosures) then use WinUAE to set it up.

I use Classic Workbench OS3.9 now as my setup enviroment and I was able to setup 40gb HDD no problem and HD Toolbox showed the correct partition sizes.

Keep your SYS: partition small, <500mb and then the others whatever size you like as long as you use a suitable file system like SFS. If you are using CWB OS3.9 the SFS is already there for you to use.

You'll also need to patch the SCSI.DEVICE if you are not using OS3.9 although I suggest if you have an 040 or greater to ahead and actually use this version of Classic Workbench becuase it is awesome

Oh, and enjoy

Steve.

[Fabie]

thanks guys for the replys

I have been analysing the situation and it seems I need a new scsi device like idefix or the scsi.device v43 or the scsi.device that comes with OS3.9?

and of course a filesystem with support like pfs3 or sfs or the new fast filesystem v45

is that correct?

btw,

how I can extract the scsi.device from OS3.9 ?

[fitzsteve]

I've attached the files that are included with Classic Workbench for Large Disk support, have a view of the tutorials from the CWB site and see how you get on:

http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/tutorials.htm

Steve.

[Jimbo]

You only need to install idefix and use SFS to format the drives. Both available from aminet
You do need a key for idefix though, otherwise you get nagged.

[Fabie]

thanks fitzsteve for the help and for the link with files
but all of that works with kick 3.1
I have roms 3.0

anyways...for kick 30 or 31 I think the best way to go is idefix97 because it works with kick3.0 and don't requires a reboot and the idefix' scsi.device is faster than the V43 or V44
my hardisk on sysinfo reports 2.4 mb/sec on scsi.device v43 and on idefix'device V119 reports 2.8/mb sec
idefix device is about 15% faster .....I'm not joking

Ok...I have installed idefix and everything works fine now
I created 3 partitions
1 partition of 2gb...and 2 partitions of 4gb
because I can't setup a partition large than 4gb
my hardisk is 80gb....and it is really stupid create 20 partitions
I can't setup it using hdinstalltools or hdtoolbox
the pic of hdinstalltools is there if anyone wanna check
The drive is recognized as 80gb but if I enlarge very much a partition in the hdtoolbox tab...it will return to 0 and starts again

which patch is needed now to create large partitions > 4gb?
please help



btw, Jimbo...how many partitions you have created on your 60gb hardisk?

[cosmicfrog]

sorry me bad was`t thinking that he was going for the whole 80Gb me bad

all u need is a patched scsi.device and patched fastfile system and u good to go

read tomas excellent page/guides they really do explain a lot, only problem is I keep forgeting it heheheh

[thomas]

Originally Posted by Fabie

if I enlarge very much a partition in the hdtoolbox tab...it will return to 0 and starts again

This is a cosmetic problem only. HDToolbox cannot display numbers larger than 4gig. Internally it calculates with cylinder numbers and does it correctly. As long as the diagram shows it right, it is fine. Just ignore the displayed size.

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by Fabie

btw, Jimbo...how many partitions you have created on your 60gb hardisk?

At the moment about 7. I am about to rearrange the lot though.

More partitions that shows on 3.1 the more chip it eats. OS3.9 you can hide partitions. Not sure if a tool exists for 3.1

For bigger then 4gig> you need to edit the startup seq.

It tells you what to add its something like loadide reset quite.

This will reset once during boot but allow for bigger then 4gig partitions.

I think thats correct, its what i do anyway. My drive size shows fine this way anyway.

Cheers

[Fabie]

Originally Posted by thomas

This is a cosmetic problem only. HDToolbox cannot display numbers larger than 4gig. Internally it calculates with cylinder numbers and does it correctly. As long as the diagram shows it right, it is fine. Just ignore the displayed size.

thanks Thomas for the point !!

anyways it seems there are some bugs on hdtoolbox from WB3.1 because if you en large the partition so much I calculate around 30gb....the numbers of the cylinders on hdtoolbox are negative....that is a bug or something like I can not understand
HDinstallTools have similar bugs if you go beyond 20 or 30gb
OK

yesterday I have almost all day doing experiments with this
it seems that the best way to go for large hardisks is idefix device +smart filesystem 1279 + nsd patch

otherwise nothing works fine here on my A1200 with the 80gb HD

pfs3 common version don't works with large 4gb partitions here....even make idefix crash

pfs3DS seems it works....but the program check 4gb says that is no OK

anyways I found tons of bugs here and there and the stability of an Amiga system with an 80gb hardisk is uncertain

WOrkbench itself recognize large 4gb partitions but shows incorrect size,Dopus 5 also don't recognize the correct size....I don't know which program will report the correct partition size...

[Fabie]

Originally Posted by thomas

This is a cosmetic problem only. HDToolbox cannot display numbers larger than 4gig. Internally it calculates with cylinder numbers and does it correctly. As long as the diagram shows it right, it is fine. Just ignore the displayed size.

btw, Thomas

are you the author of the program check4gb?

[thomas]

the numbers of the cylinders on hdtoolbox are negative

On the "change drive type" page, make sure that your HDD does not have more than 32767 cylinders. Increase the blocks per cylinder to reduce the number of cylinders.

it seems that the best way to go for large hardisks is idefix device +smart filesystem 1279 + nsd patch

You don't need NSDPatch with IDEfix. IDEfix already knows NSD, no need to patch it.

To use a large harddrive as boot disk, you should replace IDEfix by LoadIDE in startup-sequence. There is a comment about it in the beginning of startup-sequence:

;BEGIN IDEfix
If Exists C:IDEfix
   ; You may want to exchange the following line with LoadIDE reset quiet
   ; to make IDEfix reset resident, or LoadIDE start quiet
   ; to start IDEfix immediately and have it reset resident
   ; from the next reboot. Make sure to put LoadIDE behind any Kickstart mappers!
   C:IDEfix
EndIf
;END IDEfix

pfs3 common version don't works with large 4gb partitions here....even make idefix crash

Do you have an old version of IDEfix? Try IDEfix97 from Aminet, it's the lastest official version.

pfs3DS seems it works....but the program check 4gb says that is no OK

Does it say something besides "not ok"? SCSI, TD64 or NSD?

Please post the Check4GB report here.

are you the author of the program check4gb?

Yes, I am.

[Fabie]

Thanks Thomas again for the reply!!


resuming

you say that using idefix device NSD patch is not needed because IDEFIX knows NSD....but

my startup-sequence start like this

c:idefix
setpatch quiet
c:nsdpatch quiet

if I remove the line nsdpatch quiet... ...large partitions do not work....it doesn't matter which filesystem I use
so...in fact I calculate IDEFIX device is not NSD or don't know NSD

OK

btw, Thomas

The screenshot shows your program Check4gb and the partitions I created for test
you will see that your program says that the partition PFS3 is not ok.....so ...I don't know because PFS3 should works....in fact seems works but sometimes the PFS3 partition is unmounted from workbench...so it is not stable for real use
If I create a big partition using SFS 1279 your program reports that partition ok and works stable

[thomas]

you will see that your program says that the partition PFS3 is not ok

It was already reported that Check4GB's check for Direct-SCSI does not work correctly. This seems to be another proof for that.

You can consider this partition ok. The scsi.device of IDEfix should be able to do Direct-SCSI without problems.

in fact I calculate IDEFIX device is not NSD or don't know NSD

It does know it, but it cannot (or does not) remount partitions which are already mounted without its scsi.device patch. You need to call c:loadide reset quiet instead of c:idefix to have scsi.device V119 active at boot time.

in fact seems works but sometimes the PFS3 partition is unmounted from workbench...so it is not stable for real use
If I create a big partition using SFS 1279 your program reports that partition ok and works stable

You are using the Direct-SCSI version of PFS3, that's the reason for the "not ok". If you use the regular version, Check4GB will report the partition as ok.

[Fabie]

thomas

the option load ide reset quiet requires a reboot
I do not like reboots....I think the best option is c:idefix+nsdpatch

btw,

pfs3 common version does not works here I don't know why...make idefix crash
but I will try again and if works I will post a check4gb screenshot
which MASK you recommend me for pfs3common version?
it can be an incorrect MASK?