Cybervision64/3D

jdog320 · 18 January 2016, 23:09

Is it possible to emulate CV64/3D? For Warp3D programs since I can't get Wazp3D or quarktex to work.

Toni Wilen · 20 January 2016, 18:19

Possible? Perhaps, not sure if any emulator/virtual machine actually implements 3D part.

But there is not much point, too small max VRAM = too small resolutions. Not really worth the trouble to emulate.

Michael Sykes · 20 January 2016, 23:40

Wipeout2097 isn't reason enough?

I know Toni, you give a s(&!1 but it would make sooo many people(incuding me) soooooo happy to play that game on an Amiga.

Even if it's only an emulated one.

thellier · 21 January 2016, 10:55

No need to emulate an old 3D card as Wazp3D (WinUAE/hard mode) already outperform any Amiga-classic 3D card
@jdog320
Wazp3D should works on your config but remember that Wazp3D dont works in hardware mode inside OS4/WinUAE-ppc (as the other 68k to x86 drivers)
Read again the readme about installing Wazp3D...

Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

jdog320 · 21 January 2016, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by thellier

No need to emulate an old 3D card as Wazp3D (WinUAE/hard mode) already outperform any Amiga-classic 3D card
@jdog320
Wazp3D should works on your config but remember that Wazp3D dont works in hardware mode inside OS4/WinUAE-ppc (as the other 68k to x86 drivers)
Read again the readme about installing Wazp3D...

Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

Whenever I try to run a Warp 3d prog with the warp3d.library provided by wazp3d for winuae it always end up in a ramlib error. Whether its renderer hard,soft or soft to bitmap. Especially I need renderer hard because software render is slow. That's my prob

Toni Wilen · 21 January 2016, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Sykes

Wipeout2097 isn't reason enough?

I know Toni, you give a s(&!1 but it would make sooo many people(incuding me) soooooo happy to play that game on an Amiga.

Even if it's only an emulated one.

There is no point to emulate ancient card with tiny resolutions and tiny VRAM when there are better options.

thellier · 21 January 2016, 13:30

From readme:
" If you are using WinUAE 68k then
copy Wazp3D.library-winuae TO LIBS:Warp3D.library
copy soft3d.library TO LIBS:soft3d.library
and PC side copy soft3d.dll to the WinUAE directory
WinUAE need "Miscellaneous panel/Native code execution" to be enabled
(note that renderer:hard only works on 32 bits screeenmode)

Note: if Wazp3D-Prefs doesn't work then your install is wrong..."

Nothing more to said...

Alain

jdog320 · 21 January 2016, 13:53

I already did that and it still shows a ramlib error

Aegis · 21 January 2016, 21:04

Wazp doesn't seem to work with an emulated PPC - I get the same error in 3.9 with CSPPC enabled - if I disable it Wazp works fine.

amilo3438 · 21 January 2016, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegis

Wazp doesn't seem to work with an emulated PPC - I get the same error in 3.9 with CSPPC enabled - if I disable it Wazp works fine.

Copy the "Wazp3D.library-ppc" to "libs:Warp3D.library" and use "renderer:soft to bitmap" in Wazp3D-prefs! (seems you not using ppc version of Wazp3D)

Aegis · 21 January 2016, 21:21

Ah! Thanks amilo - thought that was for OS 4.1 only

Actually, that doesn't work

- the ppc library is OS 4.x only. The only 3.9 WinUAE Wazp3D.library is the Wazp3D.library-winuae (which gives the ramlib error with a PPC installed).

Michael Sykes · 21 January 2016, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

There is no point to emulate ancient card with tiny resolutions and tiny VRAM when there are better options.

Best option would be my old PSX. But than again it would run in the same tiny resolution...

And the darn 68k FPSE doesn't run wo2097 while wip3out runs fine with 50fps. Grrrr... whyyyy.The universe hates me.

Toni Wilen · 22 January 2016, 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Sykes

Best option would be my old PSX. But than again it would run in the same tiny resolution...

And the darn 68k FPSE doesn't run wo2097 while wip3out runs fine with 50fps. Grrrr... whyyyy.The universe hates me.

Thats not the point. I only want to do _single_ 3d capable card emulation. Only one. Which means it needs to be good enough, has enough vram for all modern resolutions, compatible with all Amiga compatible operating systems. Voodoo 3 is the current possible choice when/if it can be ported from MAME.

Display card emulation is complex stuff, every card has VGA core + all kinds of extensions and all kinds of custom memory access features.

jdog320 · 23 January 2016, 13:54

I finally managed to make Wazp3D to run by sacrificing PPC Emulation (Apparently thats causing the ramlib error. So now I tested ADescent and noticed that the gui elements are missing. Is this a bug?

James · 23 January 2016, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegis

Wazp doesn't seem to work with an emulated PPC - I get the same error in 3.9 with CSPPC enabled - if I disable it Wazp works fine.

Have you tried the other software renderer?

http://s.guillard.free.fr/swrender/swrender.htm

http://s.guillard.free.fr/Download/W3D_CPU_PPC.library

23 January 2016, 15:16

Toni said at one point he hoped to emulate a Voodoo 3. Let's hope he is able to do this

thellier · 27 January 2016, 11:17

Hello
1)Seems that you use Os3.x
You know wazp3d.library-ppc only works in os4.x
I mean WARP3DPPC.library/wipeout and other 3.x stuff using ppc dont works at all
So here we are using warp3d.library-winuae and soft3d.library + soft3d.dll on the PC side in the WinUAE directory
If Wazp3D-Prefs works then your install is (somehow) good : this is a good news
Wazp3D use RTG so your workbench must have cybergraphics installed and running so need uaegfx inside WinUAE
Then the best is to set the workbench to a 32bit RGBA mode
On Windows you must have opengl32.dll somewhere as soft3d.dll use it

2) For Os4.x you can use wazp3d.library-ppc but only in soft mode
But as WinUAE is limited to 128MB most of the games wont works
Some demos are working like Mad Wizards “Encore” or “By Night” or my Microbe3D

demo of Wazp3D/OS3.x/WinUAE:
[ Show youtube player ]

Alain Thellier – Wazp3D

Aegis · 27 January 2016, 15:22

Thanks Alain - yeah, I got 68k Wazp3D running with WinUAE/native code (great work btw - very cool!) but I was trying to get hardware-accelerated Wazp3D working with 3.9+PPC and it seems that's not currently possible - Wazp's still very cool though

arti · 31 January 2016, 13:38

Quartex works great for me
[ Show youtube player ]

bernd roesch · 25 January 2018, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdog320

I finally managed to make Wazp3D to run by sacrificing PPC Emulation (Apparently thats causing the ramlib error. So now I tested ADescent and noticed that the gui elements are missing. Is this a bug?

does wazp3d too not work when no AFA is use ?

18 January 2016, 23:09	#1
jdog320 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Anywhere City Posts: 188	Cybervision64/3D Is it possible to emulate CV64/3D? For Warp3D programs since I can't get Wazp3D or quarktex to work.

21 January 2016, 21:21	#11
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Ah! Thanks amilo - thought that was for OS 4.1 only Actually, that doesn't work - the ppc library is OS 4.x only. The only 3.9 WinUAE Wazp3D.library is the Wazp3D.library-winuae (which gives the ramlib error with a PPC installed). Last edited by Aegis; 21 January 2016 at 21:36.

23 January 2016, 13:54	#14
jdog320 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Anywhere City Posts: 188	I finally managed to make Wazp3D to run by sacrificing PPC Emulation (Apparently thats causing the ramlib error. So now I tested ADescent and noticed that the gui elements are missing. Is this a bug? Attached Thumbnails

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20 January 2016, 18:19	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Possible? Perhaps, not sure if any emulator/virtual machine actually implements 3D part. But there is not much point, too small max VRAM = too small resolutions. Not really worth the trouble to emulate.

20 January 2016, 23:40	#3
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 44 Posts: 649	Wipeout2097 isn't reason enough? I know Toni, you give a s(&!1 but it would make sooo many people(incuding me) soooooo happy to play that game on an Amiga. Even if it's only an emulated one.

21 January 2016, 10:55	#4
thellier Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Paris/France Posts: 274	No need to emulate an old 3D card as Wazp3D (WinUAE/hard mode) already outperform any Amiga-classic 3D card @jdog320 Wazp3D should works on your config but remember that Wazp3D dont works in hardware mode inside OS4/WinUAE-ppc (as the other 68k to x86 drivers) Read again the readme about installing Wazp3D... Alain Thellier - Wazp3D

21 January 2016, 13:30	#7
thellier Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Paris/France Posts: 274	From readme: " If you are using WinUAE 68k then copy Wazp3D.library-winuae TO LIBS:Warp3D.library copy soft3d.library TO LIBS:soft3d.library and PC side copy soft3d.dll to the WinUAE directory WinUAE need "Miscellaneous panel/Native code execution" to be enabled (note that renderer:hard only works on 32 bits screeenmode) Note: if Wazp3D-Prefs doesn't work then your install is wrong..." Nothing more to said... Alain

21 January 2016, 13:53	#8
jdog320 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Anywhere City Posts: 188	I already did that and it still shows a ramlib error

21 January 2016, 21:04	#9
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Wazp doesn't seem to work with an emulated PPC - I get the same error in 3.9 with CSPPC enabled - if I disable it Wazp works fine.

23 January 2016, 15:16	#16
esc Posts: n/a	Toni said at one point he hoped to emulate a Voodoo 3. Let's hope he is able to do this

27 January 2016, 11:17	#17
thellier Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Paris/France Posts: 274	Hello 1)Seems that you use Os3.x You know wazp3d.library-ppc only works in os4.x I mean WARP3DPPC.library/wipeout and other 3.x stuff using ppc dont works at all So here we are using warp3d.library-winuae and soft3d.library + soft3d.dll on the PC side in the WinUAE directory If Wazp3D-Prefs works then your install is (somehow) good : this is a good news Wazp3D use RTG so your workbench must have cybergraphics installed and running so need uaegfx inside WinUAE Then the best is to set the workbench to a 32bit RGBA mode On Windows you must have opengl32.dll somewhere as soft3d.dll use it 2) For Os4.x you can use wazp3d.library-ppc but only in soft mode But as WinUAE is limited to 128MB most of the games wont works Some demos are working like Mad Wizards “Encore” or “By Night” or my Microbe3D demo of Wazp3D/OS3.x/WinUAE: [ Show youtube player ] Alain Thellier – Wazp3D

27 January 2016, 15:22	#18
Aegis Gentleman Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: The Fortesque Mansion Posts: 248	Thanks Alain - yeah, I got 68k Wazp3D running with WinUAE/native code (great work btw - very cool!) but I was trying to get hardware-accelerated Wazp3D working with 3.9+PPC and it seems that's not currently possible - Wazp's still very cool though

31 January 2016, 13:38	#19
arti Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 662	Quartex works great for me [ Show youtube player ]

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