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Old 21 October 2021, 17:06   #1
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Softkicking 'up'

I'm trying to get setfnsize to work on my CDTV, running 1.3 and it isn't happening. I don't want to get physical roms and have to swap them, and I don't have anything else with a SCSI interface.


All I really want to do is setfnsize so I can have full length PFS filenames on a PFS partition. I've tried a few softkick tools that I could remember such as relokick, but I can't seem to boot 2.04 off my CDTV.


Does anyone know of a tool that can be used to relokick a 1.3 ECS Amiga to 2.04 or 3.1?
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Old 21 October 2021, 21:07   #2
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Quite frankly, this does not make too much sense. The CDTV has 1MB of chip, and that's it. Now, kick a 512K ROM, then more than half of the RAM is gone. What else then do you want to use the system for?
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Old 21 October 2021, 21:12   #3
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skick supports non-MMU systems. Worth a try.

http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/skick346
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skick supports non-MMU systems. Worth a try.

http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/skick346

SKick requires a 2.0+ physical ROM.


PseudoKick and ZKick are 2 older softkickers that might work.
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Old 21 October 2021, 21:51   #5
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Maybe PFSaio is working on your CDTV because it was updated to work on OS 1.x? http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/pfs3aio
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Old 21 October 2021, 22:22   #6
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Quite frankly, this does not make too much sense. The CDTV has 1MB of chip, and that's it. Now, kick a 512K ROM, then more than half of the RAM is gone. What else then do you want to use the system for?

Literally 5 minutes. Boot to cli. Run one command. That's it. My understanding is once the flag is set it doesn't need to be run again.
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Old 21 October 2021, 22:24   #7
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Maybe PFSaio is working on your CDTV because it was updated to work on OS 1.x? http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/pfs3aio

PFS3AIO does indeed work on os 1.x. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the tools to customise PFS3, and the tools don't work on 1.x, hence the request.
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The packets used to set PFS parameters are documented. It shouldn't be too difficult to write tools for Kick 1.3 to set them.
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Old 22 October 2021, 01:12   #9
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iirc mkick
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Old 22 October 2021, 08:53   #10
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Literally 5 minutes. Boot to cli. Run one command. That's it. My understanding is once the flag is set it doesn't need to be run again.

The fastest way is then: Remove the harddisk, put it temporarily into a >2.04 system, set the flag, put it back.
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how is that quicker than softkick, set flag ?
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Old 22 October 2021, 12:28   #12
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how is that quicker than softkick, set flag ?

It's not, especially when I don't have another SCSI setup. I've looked into this, tried a few things and this seemed the path of least resistance. I guess I was wrong.

I've found the source for a version of setfnsize. I guess I'll get a 1.3 compiler setup and try to build it.

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how is that quicker than softkick, set flag ?
That there is not a working softkick for 1.3 for this system, for example?
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MKick works from Kickstart 1.3 to 3.1 for my A500
(With 512kB chip and 512kB fast)

Edit: I've not tried from 1.3 to 2, I have no reason to think it wouldn't work.
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All I really want to do is setfnsize so I can have full length PFS filenames on a PFS partition.

If you are still interested in the initial problem, then here is the program which runs on 1.3. It can change the file name length limit as well as the deldir size.
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I'm trying to get setfnsize to work on my CDTV, running 1.3 and it isn't happening. I don't want to get physical roms and have to swap them, and I don't have anything else with a SCSI interface.


All I really want to do is setfnsize so I can have full length PFS filenames on a PFS partition. I've tried a few softkick tools that I could remember such as relokick, but I can't seem to boot 2.04 off my CDTV.


Does anyone know of a tool that can be used to relokick a 1.3 ECS Amiga to 2.04 or 3.1?
On my A2000 with Kickstart 1.3 I once used Rekick to load a special Devs:Kickstart v40.64beta into the FastMem at $200000 and that worked pretty well for many years, except that a warm reboot wasn't possible. I also have an untested v40.70 kickstart file for rekick. But I don't know anything about CDTV or your problem with Setfnsize. Of course, I cannot upload kickstarts here, and only the special relocated versions will work with Rekick. Send me a PM or better an email if you think that Rekick could do the trick.

Too late! Thomas seems to have another solution for you.
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MKick works from Kickstart 1.3 to 3.1 for my A500
(With 512kB chip and 512kB fast)

Edit: I've not tried from 1.3 to 2, I have no reason to think it wouldn't work.
I can confirm MKick works on 1.3 machines. I used to use it a lot back in the day.
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Old 23 October 2021, 15:27   #18
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The packets used to set PFS parameters are documented. It shouldn't be too difficult to write tools for Kick 1.3 to set them.
I've found the source for setfnsize.c although it calls DoPkt() to make the change. After some time tearing my hair out, I found the 1.3 NDK, went through the code and couldn't find references to DoPkt(). I then went back through the 3.9 NDK AutoDocs and found that DoPkt() was introduced in V37, so (to the best of my limited knowledge) it wasn't accessible in my 1.3 setup.

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If you are still interested in the initial problem, then here is the program which runs on 1.3. It can change the file name length limit as well as the deldir size.
Thanks for this and thanks for including the source! I'm going to read through that now and see what I can learn from it. I'm not at the CDTV right now but will try and report back.

If it doesn't, mkick might work but not on CDTV (at least in WinUAE) as it jumps back to the main CDTV screen. JP15 on the CDTV should get me into an A500 mode, but I may lose SCSI in the process. When I'm next near the CDTV I'll give it a try as being able to softkick forward may have other advantages.

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Under 1.3, you have to implement DoPkt() yourself. That is, create struct StandardPacket (see dos/dosextens.h) and link all the references correctly, then PutMsg() it to the handler port. Unfortunately, that is quite an arcane art. Probably DoPkt() exists in amiga.lib, but I'm not sure.
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Original Kickstart is excellent for keeping a stock machine around for testing or running original/old software.

But since you are expanding it anyway, how about a Kickstart switch and a 2.0+ or 3.0+ ROM?
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