Aros m68k (Kickstart substitute) - Page 5

TCD · 25 November 2010, 19:38

Badly scaled picture is badly scaled

But yay! anyway

Cammy · 25 November 2010, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mequa

Since this uses Wanderer instead of Workbench, will the final version (by default) display "Wanderer" instead of "Workbench Screen"?

Wanderer already displays "Workbench Screen" and not "Wanderer", besides it's configurable to display anything you like.

mihcael · 26 November 2010, 05:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammy

Wanderer already displays "Workbench Screen" and not "Wanderer", besides it's configurable to display anything you like.

True, mine says Workbench 5

Toni Wilen · 26 November 2010, 08:56

battclock.resource is done, time and date is now correct

laffer · 26 November 2010, 09:29

I'd just like to chime in and say as so many others have already said - this is a *fantastic* project!

A *big* thank you to the people involved with this, this is great!

Mequa · 07 December 2010, 20:04

Nightly Builds don't seem to have been updated since 2010-12-04 - and that version doesn't seem to boot (and older builds were removed).

I hope this is still active behind the scenes.

Toni Wilen · 07 December 2010, 21:18

I don't know about daily builds but dos.library compatibility has improved greatly (and it is also much faster)

For example original WB2/3 disks boot now without warnings, errors or crashes.

Note that Workbench won't work because there isn't one included in ROM yet, Wanderer which is AROS WB replacement is too big.

BCPL support is coming soon (Jason is doing this)

mihcael · 08 December 2010, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

...
BCPL support is coming soon (Jason is doing this)

Jason does not waste any time

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason McMullan (AROS DEV-ML)

With Toni's DOS Packets patches, and my recent checkins tonight,
I currently have C:Echo from WB 1.3 (BCPL!) working.

Now that the BCPL and Packet support infrastructure is here,
full AmigaOS 1.3 support for BCPL CLI applications is just
a Small Matter of Programming.

We're starting to get desperate for a 'Wanderer Lite' that
could be made ROMmable. It would be nice if someone that
has some GUI experience could take that up.

I expect to have 95% of the Workbench 1.3/3.0/3.1 BCPL apps
working by mid-January 2011.

Does anyone know of any 'major' BCPL applications out there
that I should test with other than those on the Workbench/Install
disks for 1.x/2.x/3.x?

jbenam · 11 December 2010, 02:05

Simply amazing progress guys.

Great work Toni and Jason!

A big thank you to you two, who are keeping the classic Amiga dream alive!

chiark · 13 December 2010, 21:51

Good grief, well done!

Bloodwych · 14 December 2010, 12:20

This really is amazing!

So grateful to you guys working on this.

gilgamesh · 14 December 2010, 17:49

Sounds awsome, but what are those DOS Packets?

vidarh · 14 December 2010, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Sounds awsome, but what are those DOS Packets?

The quick and dirty explanation is that while most other "stuff you communicate with" in AmigaOS are devices that share a common base interface, filesystem handlers have their own separate system consisting of completely differently structured messages that dos.library use to pass requests (for things like reading, writing, getting directory contents etc.) to them.

AROS originally went with implementing filesystem handlers as devices, which might arguably be more consistent with the rest of the AmigaOS API but which is quite incompatible with AmigaOS itself. In retrospect it wasn't a great idea as it made it far harder to port filesystems and the gains were comparatively small, and so there's been a long standing goal of fixing this incompatibility.

For the M68k port they're now actually going ahead and fixing it. Eventually those changes will hopefully make their way into the other AROS versions too.

gilgamesh · 14 December 2010, 23:40

Ah, now I understand what's going on.

wXR · 25 December 2010, 21:57

Wow this is amazing! Great work guys!

mihcael · 28 December 2010, 05:42

Another update by Toni on the mailing list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

m68k-amiga AROS port now boots AROS original startup-sequence without
any weird side-effects (no insert disk requesters or boot shell not
closing etc)
Most utilities run and most preferences programs at least open.

some random notes:

- prefs/screenmode shows random (uninitialized variable?) values in
width, height and depth string gadgets. (and system crashes when
selecting any mode, I will debug this later)
GUI issue is too high level stuff for my debugging tastes. (I also
have personal issues with MUI)

- WB "Information" menu does not open, TextEditor.mcc does not init.
(MUI again, argh)

- WB doubleclick detection is very unreliable.

- compiler/alib/timedelay.c and compiler/include/clib/alib_protos.h
does not match. I tried adding AROS_UFP3 () macro to alib_protos.h but
then intuition/menutask_aros.c refuses to compile. (nothing too
serious, currently it only makes all TimeDelay calls to fail due to
UnitNum being some large number)

And finally, WB1.3 startup-sequence runs quite nicely now. Remaining
problems: FastFonts (ff) corrupts all fonts and system/setmap expects
LONG return type from OpenDevice().
(Is it ok to change OpenDevice()/WaitIO()/DoIO() return type to LONG?
it should have no effect to existing programs)

I think now most problems "only" require lots and lots of time for
debugging.
Of course also need to find some kind of tiny WB replacement and
rewriting chipset HIDD for KS replacement purposes. (and IDE driver
and and..)

and a screenshot provided by deadwood

mihcael · 01 January 2011, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

And finally final year 2010 status report:

- Wanderer PNG icons now render correctly (needs truecolor UAE RTG
mode, note that screenmode change crashes, you must select save + cold
reboot), WinUAE-only truecolor hardware sprite colors fixed.
- Shell CTRL+D and CLI faillevel checks implemented (at least works in
dos packets mode, something still wrong because >NIL: swallows some
error output that should not be swallowed)
- UAE mousewheel keycodes don't repeat forever anymore.
- Titanics cruncher pseudo-overlay executables supported

(real/full
overlay executables not yet supported)
- WB1.3 C:FF does not corrupt fonts anymore. WB1.3 startup-sequence
now works perfectly. (minus workbench)
- and more.

And another screenshot from deadwood:

Very Nice!

Zetr0 · 01 January 2011, 05:08

Can I just say that I am a little more than excited about now!

mihcael · 02 January 2011, 09:19

and a little (big) video http://www..com/?7bwn9ad3bs4ec9a done by Kalamatee!

edit - and another pic from deadwood

Tell me your not impressed!

Arnie · 02 January 2011, 11:54

Lookong good indeed. What setup would you need for this? I have been toying with the live distro's of Icarus and Broadway, would they work with this?

EDIT: Just watched the video. So you can run this from WinUAE, very nice.

02 January 2011, 09:19	#99
mihcael Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aussie Posts: 1,144	and a little (big) video http://www..com/?7bwn9ad3bs4ec9a done by Kalamatee! edit - and another pic from deadwood Tell me your not impressed! Last edited by mihcael; 02 January 2011 at 09:57.

02 January 2011, 11:54	#100
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Lookong good indeed. What setup would you need for this? I have been toying with the live distro's of Icarus and Broadway, would they work with this? EDIT: Just watched the video. So you can run this from WinUAE, very nice. Last edited by TCD; 02 January 2011 at 11:56. Reason: Back to back posts merged. Use the edit function.

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25 November 2010, 19:38	#81
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	Badly scaled picture is badly scaled But yay! anyway

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laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	I'd just like to chime in and say as so many others have already said - this is a fantastic project! A big thank you to the people involved with this, this is great!

07 December 2010, 20:04	#86
Mequa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 497	Nightly Builds don't seem to have been updated since 2010-12-04 - and that version doesn't seem to boot (and older builds were removed). I hope this is still active behind the scenes.

07 December 2010, 21:18	#87
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	I don't know about daily builds but dos.library compatibility has improved greatly (and it is also much faster) For example original WB2/3 disks boot now without warnings, errors or crashes. Note that Workbench won't work because there isn't one included in ROM yet, Wanderer which is AROS WB replacement is too big. BCPL support is coming soon (Jason is doing this)

11 December 2010, 02:05	#89
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,910	Simply amazing progress guys. Great work Toni and Jason! A big thank you to you two, who are keeping the classic Amiga dream alive!

13 December 2010, 21:51	#90
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Good grief, well done!

14 December 2010, 12:20	#91
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	This really is amazing! So grateful to you guys working on this.

14 December 2010, 17:49	#92
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Sounds awsome, but what are those DOS Packets?

14 December 2010, 23:40	#94
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Ah, now I understand what's going on.

25 December 2010, 21:57	#95
wXR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York Posts: 552	Wow this is amazing! Great work guys!

01 January 2011, 05:08	#98
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Can I just say that I am a little more than excited about now!

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