AA3000+ Amiga 3000 AGA motherboard - Page 4

spudje · 16 November 2019, 00:44

I assume it will work with the cpu cards, just like A3000s and A4000s. At least I hope, that's how I plan to use mine.

videofx · 04 April 2020, 02:32

I will take 2 or 3

cant wait

yssing · 05 June 2020, 00:39

This is really awesome!

Tiny word of advice, you might want to reconsider the name firebird, as the database firebird feels very strongly about their name.

hUMUNGUs · 15 August 2020, 20:52

bump

hUMUNGUs · 10 November 2020, 21:24

another bump!

Tried to contact hese about this awesome project. Anyone know if he still is working on this ?

trixster · 10 November 2020, 21:35

6 page sales thread on amibay

http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...therboard-PCBs

hUMUNGUs · 11 November 2020, 12:58

Thank you !

trixster · 31 October 2021, 10:09

Wrangler has released a cross-assembler for the dsp!

http://aminet.net/package/dev/asm/asm3210

Reynolds · 31 October 2021, 17:28

This is awesome, definitely.

Wonder if I could make case mods for this mobo...?

How much is a completely built system?

trixster · 31 October 2021, 17:49

The problem now is sourcing the custom chips, but it’ll be broadly:

Lisa + Paula + Fat Gary £73
PAL oscillator £3
Buster 11 £30
Alice £35
Ramsey 07 £45
2x Altera EPM7128SQC160 -15 chip £60
Lucent DSP3210 £70
68030 CPU £32
DSUB 23-pin connectors (1x male, 1x female) £25
A3000 CPU slot connector £30
SCSI AM33C93A-16PC £5
ADV101KP30 Video DAC £3
DMAC-02 £23
M514221B-30R DIP-16 x6 £29
6x MSM514221B-30RS DIP16 £15
NEC UPD42101C-3 x6 £44
2x 391078-02 CIA £68
BOM - £286
2x Kickstart 3.1 ROMS £40ish
2x 768-JR400 capacitor Trimmers £18
68882 FPU £3
Sockets £15
PCBs £160

So around £1050

Then add:

Case and power supply £loads if you’re lucky to find one
Keyboard £again, loads

Pcb soldering/assembly by Hese: £265

You will get zero change from £1500

And good luck finding dmac!

Reynolds · 31 October 2021, 17:58

I think components can be much more cheaper from a dead pcb. But still, not everything is going more and more expensive.

Hedeon · 31 October 2021, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

Wonder if I could make case mods for this mobo...?

Also wondering :-) And A3000T too :-D

Reynolds · 31 October 2021, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Also wondering :-) And A3000T too :-D

Until now made a few for A1200 and A4000. but would be a good starting point for a new project.

Hedeon · 31 October 2021, 19:42

Had to sacrifice my A3000UX case for the AA3000+ so a replacement (in which a normal daughterboard fits) would be welcome.

Reynolds · 31 October 2021, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Had to sacrifice my A3000UX case for the AA3000+ so a replacement (in which a normal daughterboard fits) would be welcome.

I'd gladly accept the task.

Hedeon · 31 October 2021, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reynolds

I'd gladly accept the task.

Keep me informed. I have 1 3000D mb and 1 3000T mb that needs a home.

Wrangler · 30 January 2022, 12:31

Hi folks,

Just reporting that I've created a tool chain for programming the DSP3210 on the AA3000+ motherboard:

Asm3210 v2.2 is out on Aminet and has a few bug fixes from earlier versions. It's a DSP3210 assembler plus a program to create an executable from the final object file (elf2exem68k).

Also out on Aminet as of this morning is gcc 3.2 for DSP3210.

I've spent a long time getting this working and now you can program in C, compile with gcc, assemble with asm3210, link to M68k source and construct an executable using elf2exem68k, all on a modern computer.

Why only gcc 3? I have tried gcc 4 and 6 but I get internal compiler errors when compiling which is related to register usage tracking deep within gcc. If anyone actually does anything interesting with gcc3 for the DSP, that would motivate me to look at this again. For now gcc 3 is as far as it goes.

How optimised is it? Fairly... but a compiler will never produce code as good as a human. Again, if I get motivated, I may looking at improving the optimisation.

trixster · 30 January 2022, 13:40

Amazing stuff, Wrangler!

I would love to see the dsp tasked with doing stuff. JPEG decoding, mp3 decoding, maybe compression/decompression of archives?

Wrangler · 30 January 2022, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Amazing stuff, Wrangler!

Thanks mate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

I would love to see the dsp tasked with doing stuff. JPEG decoding, mp3 decoding, maybe compression/decompression of archives?

All of that ought to be possible. Not sure archiving needs floating point though so it probably wouldn't be the best use of the DSP.

BTW @trixster, it's never too late to learn C

trixster · 30 January 2022, 22:14

haha! I dont think that's going to happen any time soon!

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16 November 2019, 00:44	#61
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	I assume it will work with the cpu cards, just like A3000s and A4000s. At least I hope, that's how I plan to use mine.

04 April 2020, 02:32	#62
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	I will take 2 or 3 cant wait

05 June 2020, 00:39	#63
yssing Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Denmark Posts: 22	This is really awesome! Tiny word of advice, you might want to reconsider the name firebird, as the database firebird feels very strongly about their name.

15 August 2020, 20:52	#64
hUMUNGUs Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: .no Posts: 148	bump

10 November 2020, 21:24	#65
hUMUNGUs Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: .no Posts: 148	another bump! Tried to contact hese about this awesome project. Anyone know if he still is working on this ?

10 November 2020, 21:35	#66
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	6 page sales thread on amibay http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...therboard-PCBs

11 November 2020, 12:58	#67
hUMUNGUs Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: .no Posts: 148	Thank you !

31 October 2021, 10:09	#68
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Wrangler has released a cross-assembler for the dsp! http://aminet.net/package/dev/asm/asm3210

31 October 2021, 17:28	#69
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 46 Posts: 1,096	This is awesome, definitely. Wonder if I could make case mods for this mobo...? How much is a completely built system?

31 October 2021, 17:49	#70
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	The problem now is sourcing the custom chips, but it’ll be broadly: Lisa + Paula + Fat Gary £73 PAL oscillator £3 Buster 11 £30 Alice £35 Ramsey 07 £45 2x Altera EPM7128SQC160 -15 chip £60 Lucent DSP3210 £70 68030 CPU £32 DSUB 23-pin connectors (1x male, 1x female) £25 A3000 CPU slot connector £30 SCSI AM33C93A-16PC £5 ADV101KP30 Video DAC £3 DMAC-02 £23 M514221B-30R DIP-16 x6 £29 6x MSM514221B-30RS DIP16 £15 NEC UPD42101C-3 x6 £44 2x 391078-02 CIA £68 BOM - £286 2x Kickstart 3.1 ROMS £40ish 2x 768-JR400 capacitor Trimmers £18 68882 FPU £3 Sockets £15 PCBs £160 So around £1050 Then add: Case and power supply £loads if you’re lucky to find one Keyboard £again, loads Pcb soldering/assembly by Hese: £265 You will get zero change from £1500 And good luck finding dmac!

31 October 2021, 17:58	#71
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 46 Posts: 1,096	I think components can be much more cheaper from a dead pcb. But still, not everything is going more and more expensive.

31 October 2021, 19:42	#74
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	Had to sacrifice my A3000UX case for the AA3000+ so a replacement (in which a normal daughterboard fits) would be welcome.

30 January 2022, 12:31	#77
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	Hi folks, Just reporting that I've created a tool chain for programming the DSP3210 on the AA3000+ motherboard: Asm3210 v2.2 is out on Aminet and has a few bug fixes from earlier versions. It's a DSP3210 assembler plus a program to create an executable from the final object file (elf2exem68k). Also out on Aminet as of this morning is gcc 3.2 for DSP3210. I've spent a long time getting this working and now you can program in C, compile with gcc, assemble with asm3210, link to M68k source and construct an executable using elf2exem68k, all on a modern computer. Why only gcc 3? I have tried gcc 4 and 6 but I get internal compiler errors when compiling which is related to register usage tracking deep within gcc. If anyone actually does anything interesting with gcc3 for the DSP, that would motivate me to look at this again. For now gcc 3 is as far as it goes. How optimised is it? Fairly... but a compiler will never produce code as good as a human. Again, if I get motivated, I may looking at improving the optimisation.

30 January 2022, 13:40	#78
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Amazing stuff, Wrangler! I would love to see the dsp tasked with doing stuff. JPEG decoding, mp3 decoding, maybe compression/decompression of archives?

30 January 2022, 22:14	#80
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	haha! I dont think that's going to happen any time soon!

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