Problems with John Girvin's WHD patches

MethodGit · 20 August 2001, 08:52

You know about the various WHD installs that John Girvin has released, right? Well, I know about the bit where it says you need Installer 43.3 to utilise them properly, but even that doesn't get me anywhere. I just get the following error message everytime (displayed in the picture below).

Anyone care to offer great help for this problematic dude right here?

Removed screenshot

20 August 2001, 09:20

Sounds like somewhere in his script, he's accidently screwed up. Look through it for anything suspicious

If it looks fine, go to Aminet and download the latest Installer (I think it's called Installer-43_3.lha)

Riempie · 20 August 2001, 13:06

AIAB uses a different installer, called newinstaller I believe. This gave me some problems too when running some scripts. I just downloaded the installer from Aminet which AmigaBoy mentiones and the scripts worked without problems.

Riempie · 20 August 2001, 13:07

I think it's NGinstaller instead of Newinstaller

20 August 2001, 13:30

Yep. Years back, someone created something called InstallerNG. Back when it first got released, it was buggy as hell so I never used it. I have no idea what it's like now.

Last I heard, this is going to be the installer package used in the new Amiga OS (unless I'm getting my facts crossed....very likely since I can't really remember)

MethodGit · 20 August 2001, 16:18

But that's the problem. Even the Installer from Aminet that you mention of doesn't work! Why does Girvin have to do his patches differently to everyone else's? Jeff, Bored Seal, Codetapper, Psygore, Wepl... these people have made simple installers, that are compatible with ALL kinds of Installer programs. The thing is though, this problem only occurs when I use the latest versions of his WHD installs - the older versions I still had worked like a charm. Either his computer's giving off different results to my one (whether he has a PC or an Amiga), or this is deliberate or a major very silly "accident" (one install having a bad script is bad enough, but ALL of them?!)

CodyJarrett · 20 August 2001, 17:28

I agree. It's annoying to have John's install different from everyone else.

You should be able to install the game manually without the install script. What is the game?

MethodGit · 20 August 2001, 20:25

Well, the screenshot is of me trying to install Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker to the hard disk. I have the cracked version of the game.

I'm also wondering whether John's Scooby & Scrappy Doo install will work with the cracked version of the game. Any suggestions?

andreas · 20 August 2001, 23:49

Could actually be PURE INTENTION.
Some patchers/HD fixers _do not_ want to support cracked versions at all (eg Keith Krellwitz (?)). You'll have to live with that.

Twistin'Ghost · 21 August 2001, 04:02

Or buy the originals like many of us have been doing.

21 August 2001, 12:05

MarzAttakz: that message is just a screwup in the script, I didnt realise it was in JWWS as well. A while ago I reworked the base installer script I use and that error crept into a lot of installs that came out around then. If people emailed me, maybe I'd be aware there was a problem with a particular install?

The patch isnt likely to work with a crack anyway but the error youre seeing is not related to that.

all: whats annoying you all so much about the installs anyway? How would they be different in your perfect world?

CodyJarrett · 17 September 2001, 11:00

Girv: the version numbers of your WHD installs are different from the standard for a start. Things like: v0801.1 instead of v1.0, v1.1

Also, the files in the installers don't follow the standard of icons, .slave, readme. They consist of lots of confusing files e.g. the slave is not obviously the slave, because it isn't called .slave

I mean, it's not really a big problem and I'm not complaining!

17 September 2001, 11:23

My thinking on versions and files goes like this:

versions: in "0801.1" style higher number always
means a later release, but "1.1" and "1.10" are very
different

files: slaves are all called "Slave1", imager slaves
are called "ISlave", readmes are "Instructions".
Icons are all "thing.inf" ... is that confusing?
What would y'all prefer?

CodyJarrett · 17 September 2001, 11:58

I like the format by Bored Seal/Codetapper/C-Fou etc.

Install
Install.info
NavySeals.inf
NavySeals.newicon
NavySeals.readme
NavySeals.readme.info
NavySeals.slave

It's neat, standard and I can tell what each file does immediately.

For version numbers, it would be easier for you to change than for everyone else to change to your method!

Anyway, I like your installs very much. It's good to see another person from NI!

17 September 2001, 12:20

OK how about:
Install
Install.info
Instructions
Instructions.info
NavySeals.coloricon
NavySeals.oldicon
NavySeals.newicon
NavySeals.slave
NavySeals

It's neat, you can tell what each file does immediately
and its not so different from what I use now.

For version numbers, how about R1,R2,R3,R4... ?

Where in NI are you from anyway? Im up round
Lisburn these days, but used to be in Belfast.

CodyJarrett · 17 September 2001, 13:11

That's good. My DOpus is set up to recognise .slave files from the filename and run Codetapper's WHDInfo.

For the versions, why not just use v1.0 for the first release and then v1.1 and so on? You can still record the v0809.1 stuff in the text file by noting the date. I think I saw on your website that you used v1.0 versions for installs.

I'm from Co. Down, but I left about 6 years ago and went to Portsmouth, Maidenhead and now Paris.

20 August 2001, 08:52	#1
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	Problems with John Girvin's WHD patches You know about the various WHD installs that John Girvin has released, right? Well, I know about the bit where it says you need Installer 43.3 to utilise them properly, but even that doesn't get me anywhere. I just get the following error message everytime (displayed in the picture below). Anyone care to offer great help for this problematic dude right here? Removed screenshot Last edited by Ian; 14 October 2001 at 23:18.

20 August 2001, 13:06	#3
Riempie Amiga freak Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 351	Newinstaller problem? AIAB uses a different installer, called newinstaller I believe. This gave me some problems too when running some scripts. I just downloaded the installer from Aminet which AmigaBoy mentiones and the scripts worked without problems.

20 August 2001, 13:07	#4
Riempie Amiga freak Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 351	NGinstaller I think it's NGinstaller instead of Newinstaller

20 August 2001, 17:28	#7
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Installs I agree. It's annoying to have John's install different from everyone else. You should be able to install the game manually without the install script. What is the game?

17 September 2001, 11:00	#12
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	WHD Installs Girv: the version numbers of your WHD installs are different from the standard for a start. Things like: v0801.1 instead of v1.0, v1.1 Also, the files in the installers don't follow the standard of icons, .slave, readme. They consist of lots of confusing files e.g. the slave is not obviously the slave, because it isn't called .slave I mean, it's not really a big problem and I'm not complaining!

20 August 2001, 09:20	#2
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Sounds like somewhere in his script, he's accidently screwed up. Look through it for anything suspicious If it looks fine, go to Aminet and download the latest Installer (I think it's called Installer-43_3.lha)

20 August 2001, 13:30	#5
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Yep. Years back, someone created something called InstallerNG. Back when it first got released, it was buggy as hell so I never used it. I have no idea what it's like now. Last I heard, this is going to be the installer package used in the new Amiga OS (unless I'm getting my facts crossed....very likely since I can't really remember)

20 August 2001, 16:18	#6
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	But that's the problem. Even the Installer from Aminet that you mention of doesn't work! Why does Girvin have to do his patches differently to everyone else's? Jeff, Bored Seal, Codetapper, Psygore, Wepl... these people have made simple installers, that are compatible with ALL kinds of Installer programs. The thing is though, this problem only occurs when I use the latest versions of his WHD installs - the older versions I still had worked like a charm. Either his computer's giving off different results to my one (whether he has a PC or an Amiga), or this is deliberate or a major very silly "accident" (one install having a bad script is bad enough, but ALL of them?!)

20 August 2001, 20:25	#8
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	Well, the screenshot is of me trying to install Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker to the hard disk. I have the cracked version of the game. I'm also wondering whether John's Scooby & Scrappy Doo install will work with the cracked version of the game. Any suggestions?

20 August 2001, 23:49	#9
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Could actually be PURE INTENTION. Some patchers/HD fixers _do not_ want to support cracked versions at all (eg Keith Krellwitz (?)). You'll have to live with that.

21 August 2001, 04:02	#10
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Or buy the originals like many of us have been doing.

21 August 2001, 12:05	#11
girv Posts: n/a	MarzAttakz: that message is just a screwup in the script, I didnt realise it was in JWWS as well. A while ago I reworked the base installer script I use and that error crept into a lot of installs that came out around then. If people emailed me, maybe I'd be aware there was a problem with a particular install? The patch isnt likely to work with a crack anyway but the error youre seeing is not related to that. all: whats annoying you all so much about the installs anyway? How would they be different in your perfect world?

17 September 2001, 11:23	#13
girv Posts: n/a	My thinking on versions and files goes like this: versions: in "0801.1" style higher number always means a later release, but "1.1" and "1.10" are very different files: slaves are all called "Slave1", imager slaves are called "ISlave", readmes are "Instructions". Icons are all "thing.inf" ... is that confusing? What would y'all prefer?

17 September 2001, 11:58	#14
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Format I like the format by Bored Seal/Codetapper/C-Fou etc. Install Install.info NavySeals.inf NavySeals.newicon NavySeals.readme NavySeals.readme.info NavySeals.slave It's neat, standard and I can tell what each file does immediately. For version numbers, it would be easier for you to change than for everyone else to change to your method! Anyway, I like your installs very much. It's good to see another person from NI!

17 September 2001, 12:20	#15
girv Posts: n/a	OK how about: Install Install.info Instructions Instructions.info NavySeals.coloricon NavySeals.oldicon NavySeals.newicon NavySeals.slave NavySeals It's neat, you can tell what each file does immediately and its not so different from what I use now. For version numbers, how about R1,R2,R3,R4... ? Where in NI are you from anyway? Im up round Lisburn these days, but used to be in Belfast.

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17 September 2001, 13:11	#16
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	That's good. My DOpus is set up to recognise .slave files from the filename and run Codetapper's WHDInfo. For the versions, why not just use v1.0 for the first release and then v1.1 and so on? You can still record the v0809.1 stuff in the text file by noting the date. I think I saw on your website that you used v1.0 versions for installs. I'm from Co. Down, but I left about 6 years ago and went to Portsmouth, Maidenhead and now Paris.