18 October 2022, 20:42 | #1 |
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For Sale: BFG9060 A4000 A3000 Accelerator Cards
We are excited to now offer the BFG9060 Accelerator card for the Amiga A4000 and A3000.
These are built and ready to ship and are configured for 68060 CPU's. These units come with no CPU just add your own. Full details below: https://www.retropassion.co.uk/product/bfg9060-ncpu/ Please do read the entire product page as it has some good information. Thanks! RetroPassion |
19 October 2022, 18:22 | #2 |
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£399.99 Incl. VAT
Just for the Card!? Holy Shit! £649 for a REV 6 060 CPU!? No thanks! Really!? Can be had cheaper here Bromigos! https://www.amibay.com/threads/bfg90...-4000.2438618/ |
19 October 2022, 20:46 | #3 |
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You never let us down :-) But do remember UK VAT and there is a substantial donation per card is given to Matthias Heinrichs and are officially licenced by him to us.
Also your link has no stock. Thanks!! PS you still have your discount code to use :-) |
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If you have the skills to assemble them yourself, then it will come in at under £100 for one without CPU. The KEL connector can be hard to find and cost a bit. But that's the case with all open source stuff, build it yourself and it can cost loads less. You are paying for the service I guess. For £399 I'd at least expect an LC060 thrown in though. |
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20 October 2022, 10:41 | #5 | |
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Your 100% right, people forget the time it takes to build, test, add a warranty, pay a licence fee, TAX these all add up, but at least you know the developer is getting a good chunk to continue supporting firmware updates and develop other great products :-) RetroPassion |
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20 October 2022, 19:17 | #6 |
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20 October 2022, 19:49 | #7 | |
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Unfortunately we are unable to share what the licence fee is paid to Matthias per card (pre-tax) but is an amount that we feel is well deserved and certainly secures the BFG9060 and future developments. Thanks! |
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It’s a shame that other Resellers out there aren’t selling this product as they would probably arrive a lot earlier Bromigo! Oh well…. |
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20 October 2022, 22:43 | #9 | |
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Thanks for keeping us informed and keeping a close on on our business, you may have already sold 2 units :-) We came across this quote by Oscar Wilde which is very fitting: “There's only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." RetroPassion Last edited by RetroPassionUK; 20 October 2022 at 22:53. |
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21 October 2022, 11:59 | #10 |
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I think everyone should stop beating up RetroPassion. He offers a service, one that several users of this forum have used and been happy.
If you don't want this product, at this price, then don't buy it from him. You have absolutely no idea about the NRE costs of selling consumer electronics. At this volume, products are probably made to order. There is going to be a waiting period. If there wasn't then the cost would be even higher. |
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Bromigo! Just putting it out there. There are alternatives. If you were to buy a car. Would just go to one dealership and pay that price? Or would you shop around for a deal?
The 2 weeks I’ve seen on goods being shipped from this reseller are for things like goteks. Again the emphasis is on good customer care. Not blaming your customer. Certainly not telling your customer to come here for help on a new item just bought, as that smacks of they don’t know what they are doing. Just saying Mang! Last edited by Leon Besson; 21 October 2022 at 14:21. |
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Besides. Your not exactly practicing what you preach yourself; http://eab.abime.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1565389 If I thought otherwise. You were being Homophobic. Last edited by Leon Besson; 21 October 2022 at 16:16. |
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"For every BFG9060 sold we donate a percentage of the sale to Matthias Heinrichs to support further developments and we also support our builders." So how much is the donation? By definition, donations are voluntary, licence payments are not. Forgive my confusion, it appears you're claiming you're making a donation when you're paying a negotiated licence fee. The ASA's rules on promotion are pretty clear in that marketing donations to a registered charity or good cause must: Quote:
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22 October 2022, 14:41 | #15 |
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He's answered. The amount is private. The things you're quoting only apply to registered charities which I don't believe Matthias Heinrichs is. He's an individual. So non of this applies.
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22 October 2022, 17:17 | #16 | |
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I get an impression you think I'm singling RP out or somehow dislike them. I'm not, and I don't (that's Leon, not me). I'd seek clarity from any other Amiga supplier that advertises a charitable donation that may have turned out to be a licence fee. As I said in my previous post, people make honest mistakes. I don't blame RP for being unaware of the regulations regarding donation-linked promotions and I'm confident they want to do the right thing. Lets hear what RP has to say before jumping to conclusions. Last edited by stevelord; 22 October 2022 at 18:40. |
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All I am pointing out, is that RP as a reseller isn’t the be all and end all of where you can buy Amiga products. It isn’t that I don’t like RPUK either. But just calling out the fact we should have a choice on where you buy your Amiga stuff from. As it is, On investigating this reseller (on EBay). Not Trolling, but for research. I am seeing a tendency of customer blaming by this reseller. Yes there are 2 sides to every story. But this reseller seems to be very political on dodging questions on this What I also don’t agree with. Is how he sees this forum as his free I.T support for his customers. Happy to help anyone where I can. Where I can. You don’t see other resellers pulling that crap. For someone who claims to have been in the Amiga scene for 20 years. I don’t see it some how And yes I will call out any other reseller who does the same Plus we should have impartiality and NOT RPUK is the greatest! RPUK does no wrong. Really!? Everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect! Just saying Mang! Feel free to buy from whoever you like. Your choice! |
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22 October 2022, 21:31 | #18 |
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This has to be the most entertaining thread about us, ever....
Do people really spend time watching what we do in the shadows and look at the difference between donation and licence fee, looking up company house details and seeing what we have or have not complied with? What did we do today? Pack up the car with Amiga goodies and arrange 3 drop offs and 1 pick up which looks like a 300 mile round trip tomorrow which is exciting as meeting some of our customers face to face is always good. Seriously I think I may setup a Patreon so you can view live CCTV and get exclusive access and behind the scenes gossip. Are these people here for the Amiga scene or just there like Statler and Waldorf from the muppet show because we love them too! All your doing is bumping up this topic to the top and driving traffic to our website, EAB is one of the top 10 over the last few days so thank you. |
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Thanks for declaring your material financial benefit from the charity linked donation marketing exercise discussed earlier. On that basis I'll ask the ASA whether Mr Heinrichs constitutes a cause, or if that is material regarding compliance with CAP 8.33. If you want to clarify the promotion details by close of play Monday I won't need to involve the ASA (which is my preferred option). If you'd prefer not to, then the only route I have for finding out may end up with a complaint filed with the ASA. Last edited by stevelord; 23 October 2022 at 18:58. |
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This is one of the discussions where I shake my head sadly. "Only Amiga makes it possible".
Apparently, Matze gave his permission for a vendor to sell his cards pre-assembled. So he is ok with the arrangement. If people are not happy with this arrangement, go buy elsewhere, or assemble the card yourself, all good. I frankly do not see a problem here. The designer of the hardware is happy, the vendor supplying the hardware to customers is happy, and the community should be happy that there is a service for assembling the cards they may take advantage of - or not use, as they wish. If you are not ok with the price, well, go buy elsewhere, not a problem either. That's what it costs to setup a mini-production series based on obsolete hardware with components that are hard to get (and often faked). So what exactly is the problem here? Why be such a bully? |
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