gfx glitches with some WHD games

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 01:31

Hi,
I'm rather new to WinUAE (always used my beloved A1200+B1260 'till a month ago...) so I'm sorry if I'll report "known things". I have WinUAE 1.4.2a and the following WHD installed games (consider I have always the very latest up-to-date installer and WHD since I'm a registered user) have gfx glitches:

-PanzaKickBoxing: boxers sprites trashed after some secs
-Addams Family: missing and/or corrupt Gomez (player's) sprite and enemies
-RiskyWoods: totally missing sound and music (?? unique game without sound under WinUAE)

...if I'll find others I'll report (have to test all my WHD games!

)
I use WinUAE in A1200/040, JIT mode, 128MB Z3 FAST since I'm also an advanced WB user.

Mad-Matt · 30 May 2007, 01:35

turn off jit, and 90% of the issues will be gone

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

turn off jit, and 90% of the issues will be gone

Yawn speed?

Ok let's try... no still the same glitches with some little diffs. Maybe it's just WinUAE still unimplementing some AGA chipset things, that show up using WHD games...
Funny: WinUAE emulates AGA but WHDLoad then degrades it to make some games work. Obviously these games work fine on the real A1200+B1260.

Retro-Nerd · 30 May 2007, 02:06

Some games need special settings in WinUAE, try the immediate blitter and/or Amiga 500 speed.

Toni Wilen · 30 May 2007, 08:04

Try searching old threads first.

No JIT and immediate blitter are the usual fixes.

dlfrsilver · 30 May 2007, 10:22

My leander problem is still here with winuae 1.4.2a....

Toni Wilen · 30 May 2007, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

My leander problem is still here with winuae 1.4.2a....

And it will stay that way until someone tells me how to duplicate it.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Some games need special settings in WinUAE, try the immediate blitter and/or Amiga 500 speed.

Well, the fact is that running with WHDLoad they should not need any further settings. WHDLoad is born exactly to avod degrades etc. to run all games from AGA Workbench 3.1+ (and able to quit back to WB too!).
In other words, WHD avoids all compatibility troubles (ECS, chipmem shortage, caches, self-modifying specific 680x0 code etc.) and it's strange there are those problems with WinUAE. Games should run fine as they do on real Amigas...

Toni Wilen · 30 May 2007, 18:55

Quote:

Try searching old threads first.

Try again.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

And it will stay that way until someone tells me how to duplicate it.

What's this prob with Leander? I have a 100% WinUAE working WHD version of it if you need (but probably you have that already). Tested.

DamienD · 30 May 2007, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexaae

What's this prob with Leander? I have a 100% WinUAE working WHD version of it if you need (but probably you have that already). Tested.

See this thread for dlfrsilver's Leander issues: Pbs with winuae 1.4.2

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Try again.

I tried to search for "whd" probs under prb.WinUAE forum thread but found nothing specific. Just some problems reported by people not able to run WB emu and WHDLoad well (or with pirated WHDLoad) on their emu-env and things like that...
Should I try to post the question on WHD forum or WHD ML? If the authors don't just say "we don't support emulators, just real Amiga HW"...

Uhm, found this at http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=325452&postcount=4
"Toni Wilen: WHDLoad issues are something I am not interested because it is 99.9% surely caused by usual timing things." :-( Have to say I thought the same thing: maybe under WinUAE timings of emulated chipsets and CPU are different and mess up some games, even if run with WHDLoad.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

See this thread for dlfrsilver's Leander issues: Pbs with winuae 1.4.2

Well, my WHD version works fine under WinUAE 1.4.2 and even with beta 1.4.3b1. Just tested. That's why WHD exisits...

Retro-Nerd · 30 May 2007, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexaae

Well, the fact is that running with WHDLoad they should not need any further settings. WHDLoad is born exactly to avod degrades etc. to run all games from AGA Workbench 3.1+ (and able to quit back to WB too!).
In other words, WHD avoids all compatibility troubles (ECS, chipmem shortage, caches, self-modifying specific 680x0 code etc.) and it's strange there are those problems with WinUAE. Games should run fine as they do on real Amigas...

Nope, WinUAE is an emulator and not a real machine. It has nothing to do with WHDLoad degrading. The WDHLoad installs are written for real machines, not an emulator. If there graphic glitches, try the immediate blitter or Amiga 500 speed. This fixes nearly all problems.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Nope, WinUAE is an emulator and not a real machine. It has nothing to do with WHDLoad degrading. The WDHLoad installs are written for real machines, not an emulator. If there graphic glitches, try the immediate blitter or Amiga 500 speed. This fixes nearly all problems.

WHD installs are written to degrade real Amiga and run games in a "protected" area. WHD also makes a mirror of current chipmem and restores it as it was after you quit games to avoid chipmem shortage (if you run a WHD game with only 150KB chipmem free it will work even if requires 1900KB chipmem free). Same thing for chipset custom registers, VBR etc. It also emulates unsupported 060 insts for older games while running etc.

As supposed didn't solve anything: exactly same glitches still there... Immediate blitter and A500 timings are a nonsense to test: these games did run fine on real AGA with B1260 that for sure has not those A500 timings

Theoretically WHDLoad should run games fine if Amiga emu-env is exactly re-created...
One thing though: MMU emu isn't implemented but I don't think this has something to do with WHD installs as they hardly use MMU. Infact 80% of WHD games work just fine under WinUAE.

Graham Humphrey · 30 May 2007, 20:04

Do these games work fine if you play them using ADFs or is it only when playing them when installed with WHDLoad?

Retro-Nerd · 30 May 2007, 20:06

Just tested Panza Kickboxing with OS3.9, RTG, JIT enabled, but using the immediate blitter & Amiga 500 speed for the game. The same settings fixes The Addams Family too, that's for sure.

Maybe these settings are "nonsense" for you, but it works fine for me.

CPU 040 = The glitches are still there.
CPU 020 = all is fine, no glitches left.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Just tested Panza Kickboxing with OS3.9, RTG, JIT enabled, but using the immediate blitter & Amiga 500 speed for the game. The same settings fixes The Addams Family too, that's for sure.

Maybe these settings are "nonsense" for you, but it works fine for me.

CPU 040 = The glitches are still there.
CPU 020 = all is fine, no glitches left.

Thanks a lot for your testings... Inspired me some new WinUAE settings and I've found a compromise for Panza: I can run it leaving the 040 emulation but switching 'Chipset:Cycle-exact' + 'CPU and FPU: Adjustable...' setting CPU slider at 1 notch

This game's code must do weird timing things to display sprites...

Addams Family still runs very badly with missing/corrupt sprites... mmmh...
Have to test also RiskyWoods...

Retro-Nerd · 30 May 2007, 21:04

Switching the Chipset after loading a WHDLoad game is not good. I have no problems with The Addams Family. A 68020 CPU works for sure.

Copy uae-configuration (in the Amiga Programs folder of WinUAE) to C: and add this tooltypes to your start icon:

Quote:

ExecuteStartup=uae-configuration cpu_speed real immediate_blits true
ExecuteCleanup=uae-configuration cpu_speed max immediate_blits false

After pressing the Quitkey you get the full speed back.

hexaae · 30 May 2007, 22:53

Thanks. Didn't know some UAE things could be changed from within Amiga emulation. Addams Family runs better: I can see enemies and no gfx glitches except Gomez sprite is missing (!!) It appears only if I set WinUAE 'Chipset:Cycle-exact' but doing so enemies have gfx glitches

30 May 2007, 01:31	#1
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	gfx glitches with some WHD games Hi, I'm rather new to WinUAE (always used my beloved A1200+B1260 'till a month ago...) so I'm sorry if I'll report "known things". I have WinUAE 1.4.2a and the following WHD installed games (consider I have always the very latest up-to-date installer and WHD since I'm a registered user) have gfx glitches: -PanzaKickBoxing: boxers sprites trashed after some secs -Addams Family: missing and/or corrupt Gomez (player's) sprite and enemies -RiskyWoods: totally missing sound and music (?? unique game without sound under WinUAE) ...if I'll find others I'll report (have to test all my WHD games! ) I use WinUAE in A1200/040, JIT mode, 128MB Z3 FAST since I'm also an advanced WB user.

30 May 2007, 20:06	#17
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,444	Just tested Panza Kickboxing with OS3.9, RTG, JIT enabled, but using the immediate blitter & Amiga 500 speed for the game. The same settings fixes The Addams Family too, that's for sure. Maybe these settings are "nonsense" for you, but it works fine for me. CPU 040 = The glitches are still there. CPU 020 = all is fine, no glitches left. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 30 May 2007 at 20:39.

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30 May 2007, 01:35	#2
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,848	turn off jit, and 90% of the issues will be gone

30 May 2007, 02:06	#4
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,444	Some games need special settings in WinUAE, try the immediate blitter and/or Amiga 500 speed.

30 May 2007, 08:04	#5
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	Try searching old threads first. No JIT and immediate blitter are the usual fixes.

30 May 2007, 10:22	#6
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,421	My leander problem is still here with winuae 1.4.2a....

30 May 2007, 20:04	#16
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30 May 2007, 22:53	#20
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	Thanks. Didn't know some UAE things could be changed from within Amiga emulation. Addams Family runs better: I can see enemies and no gfx glitches except Gomez sprite is missing (!!) It appears only if I set WinUAE 'Chipset:Cycle-exact' but doing so enemies have gfx glitches

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