Making my External DF1: act as DF0:

Smiley · 03 April 2005, 21:42

So my internal floppy drive is buggered, and for the time being I want to use my external drive as DF0:

I tried the program Degrader, I set DF's up and restarted, tried to boot from DF0: I tried alot of combinations and the program didnt seem to work for me.

Is there any other ways to make DF1: act like DF0: ?

Thanks

Shoonay · 03 April 2005, 21:47

I would do one of these:

1. Open the drive, open Your miggy, swap drives.
2. Get a boot-selector (or what's it's name...) and install it (don't ask how never had/needed one).
3. Use WHDLoad

dirkies · 04 April 2005, 18:36

I have such a switcher in my A500, it's just rewiring some pins with a switch at the exterior, no big deal, I'm sure on Aminet there's a scheme to do it

Amiga1992 · 04 April 2005, 19:03

As far as I can tell, if the game is hardwired for reading from the internal drive there's nothing you can do to force it to think your external is DF0:, I'm afraid.
Some games might work, but most won't.

As shoonay says, if the external drive is sort of normal, it shold be the exact same as your buggered internal one, so you should try to open it up and check if you can insert it in your amiga/

lloyd · 04 April 2005, 19:09

hmmmm not necessarily tho. You may need to set a jumper on the drive so it acts as unit zero instead of unit one. None of my external floppy drives have a drive that will fit into my A600 case - already tried it years ago

Rotr · 04 April 2005, 19:11

Not sure because this was a long time ago but wasn't there an option that if you power on with the 2 mouse buttons pressed you got into a menu where you could select from which floppy drive to start-up?

Might be something completly different though!

Amiga1992 · 04 April 2005, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rotr

Not sure because this was a long time ago but wasn't there an option that if you power on with the 2 mouse buttons pressed you got into a menu where you could select from which floppy drive to start-up?

Yes, but as I said, if the software is hardwired to access DIRECTLY the internal trackdisk.device, this won't suffice. It might initially boot from the external driv but soon threafter look for df0:

Smiley · 04 April 2005, 22:08

Cool thanks.

Ill try opening my two externals.

Peanutuk · 04 April 2005, 23:00

I've tried opening a couple of externals to use as internals but when removed from their external casings they haven't had the necessery connectors to connect to the power line and I/O cable that the internal floppy uses; the external case has an adaptor of sorts.

Maybe I was unlucky or is this usual?

Shoonay · 04 April 2005, 23:06

Well yes Peanutuk, all (?) externals use a adapter/interfece so all the i/o signals can run in the disk drive slot...

But the disk drive should be the "usual"... you know, check the one in your pc, check everyone in every amiga they all (?) have the same cables/connectors... or was i just so lucky finding ones?

Amiga1992 · 04 April 2005, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

But the disk drive should be the "usual"... you know, check the one in your pc, check everyone in every amiga they all (?) have the same cables/connectors... or was i just so lucky finding ones?

Roctec Rocslim have some proprietary or strange Sony mechanism that is not the same as Amiga drives. They have a little ribbon cable with less cables than that of the Amiga and the drive even gets power from there. It's similar to the Panasonic MSX2 drives, but not the same.

killergorilla · 04 April 2005, 23:43

I swapped my DF0: for an external drive, just removed it from it's casing, moved a jumper from 1 to 0, then plugged it in where my old drive was.

Worked straight away with no problems.

Shoonay · 04 April 2005, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

Roctec Rocslim have some proprietary or strange Sony mechanism that is not the same as Amiga drives. They have a little ribbon cable with less cables than that of the Amiga and the drive even gets power from there. It's similar to the Panasonic MSX2 drives, but not the same.

Thanks for the info, Aki' - will try to avoid that one

Peanutuk · 05 April 2005, 00:16

It was a Rotec...typical.

Amiga1992 · 05 April 2005, 02:04

Roctec Rocslim is a fine, slim, small, quiet drive. What you got against them? Any real-life experience that proves them being shit or something?

manicx · 05 April 2005, 09:18

I succesfully converted an external Alpha Data FDD to fit in an A1200. The only tricky bit was the button but I succesfully superglued an A1200 FDD button to this one. The modification was done for an AT A1200 (together with a small modification on the mobo).

Smiley · 05 April 2005, 15:17

Ok ive opened one up and the drive is ok but it doesnt fit in my A600 casing

But it didnt really work, what is this jumper thing you are talking about?

Thanks.

PS any1 got a spare internal I can have!

manicx · 05 April 2005, 15:25

Don't expect it to feet without slight case modifications. I had to cut a little bit of the FDD top cover to do so. If you want to find a similar internal floppy, try eBay...

Smiley · 05 April 2005, 15:28

But still what is a jumper?

Pink · 05 April 2005, 16:12

A jumper is a small piece of wire used to complete a circuit.

You can find them on the back of your drives. (CD/Hard/Floppy) and swap them around to designate your drive numbers or locations (slave/master/blahblah). They look small and plasticy.

[] <---------- About this big.

Open your PC and look at the back of a drive (any drive) if you're confused. It's the little bit with the pins that power and IDE cables don't go into.

I wouldn't go swapping drives not knowing what a jumper is.

'Lecia.

03 April 2005, 21:42	#1
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	Making my External DF1: act as DF0: So my internal floppy drive is buggered, and for the time being I want to use my external drive as DF0: I tried the program Degrader, I set DF's up and restarted, tried to boot from DF0: I tried alot of combinations and the program didnt seem to work for me. Is there any other ways to make DF1: act like DF0: ? Thanks

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03 April 2005, 21:47	#2
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	I would do one of these: 1. Open the drive, open Your miggy, swap drives. 2. Get a boot-selector (or what's it's name...) and install it (don't ask how never had/needed one). 3. Use WHDLoad

04 April 2005, 18:36	#3
dirkies Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Belgium Age: 51 Posts: 1,297	I have such a switcher in my A500, it's just rewiring some pins with a switch at the exterior, no big deal, I'm sure on Aminet there's a scheme to do it

04 April 2005, 19:03	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,648	As far as I can tell, if the game is hardwired for reading from the internal drive there's nothing you can do to force it to think your external is DF0:, I'm afraid. Some games might work, but most won't. As shoonay says, if the external drive is sort of normal, it shold be the exact same as your buggered internal one, so you should try to open it up and check if you can insert it in your amiga/

04 April 2005, 19:09	#5
lloyd Mehh :D Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, SW UK Age: 61 Posts: 242	hmmmm not necessarily tho. You may need to set a jumper on the drive so it acts as unit zero instead of unit one. None of my external floppy drives have a drive that will fit into my A600 case - already tried it years ago

04 April 2005, 19:11	#6
Rotr Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 47	Not sure because this was a long time ago but wasn't there an option that if you power on with the 2 mouse buttons pressed you got into a menu where you could select from which floppy drive to start-up? Might be something completly different though!

04 April 2005, 22:08	#8
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	Cool thanks. Ill try opening my two externals.

04 April 2005, 23:00	#9
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	I've tried opening a couple of externals to use as internals but when removed from their external casings they haven't had the necessery connectors to connect to the power line and I/O cable that the internal floppy uses; the external case has an adaptor of sorts. Maybe I was unlucky or is this usual?

04 April 2005, 23:06	#10
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	Well yes Peanutuk, all (?) externals use a adapter/interfece so all the i/o signals can run in the disk drive slot... But the disk drive should be the "usual"... you know, check the one in your pc, check everyone in every amiga they all (?) have the same cables/connectors... or was i just so lucky finding ones?

04 April 2005, 23:43	#12
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I swapped my DF0: for an external drive, just removed it from it's casing, moved a jumper from 1 to 0, then plugged it in where my old drive was. Worked straight away with no problems.

05 April 2005, 00:16	#14
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,082	It was a Rotec...typical.

05 April 2005, 02:04	#15
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,648	Roctec Rocslim is a fine, slim, small, quiet drive. What you got against them? Any real-life experience that proves them being shit or something?

05 April 2005, 09:18	#16
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	I succesfully converted an external Alpha Data FDD to fit in an A1200. The only tricky bit was the button but I succesfully superglued an A1200 FDD button to this one. The modification was done for an AT A1200 (together with a small modification on the mobo).

05 April 2005, 15:17	#17
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	Ok ive opened one up and the drive is ok but it doesnt fit in my A600 casing But it didnt really work, what is this jumper thing you are talking about? Thanks. PS any1 got a spare internal I can have!

05 April 2005, 15:25	#18
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	Don't expect it to feet without slight case modifications. I had to cut a little bit of the FDD top cover to do so. If you want to find a similar internal floppy, try eBay...

05 April 2005, 15:28	#19
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	But still what is a jumper?

05 April 2005, 16:12	#20
Pink Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N/A Age: 45 Posts: 27	A jumper is a small piece of wire used to complete a circuit. You can find them on the back of your drives. (CD/Hard/Floppy) and swap them around to designate your drive numbers or locations (slave/master/blahblah). They look small and plasticy. [] <---------- About this big. Open your PC and look at the back of a drive (any drive) if you're confused. It's the little bit with the pins that power and IDE cables don't go into. I wouldn't go swapping drives not knowing what a jumper is. 'Lecia.

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