Loading games from workbench 3.0/3.1

[frikilokooo]

I have some adf games that work in A1200 like Cruise for a Corpse or Mig-29M SuperFulcrum but they doesn't work loading from WB3.0 or ClassicWB!,as they don't work in adf from WB either they work installed from WB.

My question is...is there any way or program to avoid this incompatibility?

My intention is to be able to install these games in ClassicWB.

[Graham Humphrey]

You could install Cruise for a Corpse using WHDLoad I guess?

[Retro-Nerd]

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

You could install Cruise for a Corpse using WHDLoad I guess?

But his spanish version doesn't work, as it seems.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=367863&postcount=32

[Graham Humphrey]

Ah right, I wasn't aware of that.

[pbareges]

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

I have some adf games that work in A1200 like Cruise for a Corpse or Mig-29M SuperFulcrum but they doesn't work loading from WB3.0 or ClassicWB!,as they don't work in adf from WB either they work installed from WB.

My question is...is there any way or program to avoid this incompatibility?

My intention is to be able to install these games in ClassicWB.

it's due to the first line of your workbench S:startup-sequence, ie "setpatch quiet" which enables AGA modes...

the way i go around it is that i design a script for this kind of games which renames startup-sequence as startup-temp and renames a pre-defined startup-cruise for instance, as startup-sequence..then wait 2 to 3 seconds to clear disk caches..and then reboot...typically :

hd0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-temp
rename startup-cruise startup-sequence
wait 3
tude hardreset

you can find tude on aminet and it's the only really reliable reset tool i found (though i also use it as a degrader).

your startup-cruise would be something like that
hd0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-cruise
rename startup-temp startup-sequence
wait 2
(some assigns may be needed for your game and then the exec command...)

there are also launch scripts (like slamtilt) that mount a virtual drive in memory and boot from it but the limitation of this is that your virtual drive must include, as the boot volume, all the system files needed by the game (c commands, libs, devices...) and in most cases it may consume way too much memory for your game to run....¸

your game may be able to work with some degraders like jst but it's not granted (jst execute command with nocaches option for instance)

hope this helps!

[frikilokooo]

Thanks for your valuable help!I will try it tomorrow.

People knows much in EAB but coverall is very amiable

[pbareges]

also i found that using the startup menu "boot without startup-sequence " option executes setpatch quiet anyway. so this is not a valuable alternative

[frikilokooo]

Can you upload your script?please

I don't know anything about scripts and how and where to do it...

I'm sorry

[pbareges]

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

Can you upload your script?please

I don't know anything about scripts and how and where to do it...

I'm sorry

i prefer not to sorry..it's not a kind of plug-and-play solution, you have to be confortable with amigaos and be able to adapt it to your specific needs..because of a wait delay badly adjusted you could corrupt your whole hd (it happened to me when i designed it at the beginning)..

i prefer you wait for an updated version of whd slave...

+ a script is just a text file ...ie you copy what i gave you in a text editor and save it as text file...you just need then to type "execute (filename)" and it runs.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by pbareges

also i found that using the startup menu "boot without startup-sequence " option executes setpatch quiet anyway. so this is not a valuable alternative

Surely that's not right. I've been avoiding setpatch for years by running a script in order to load one game or another.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Ah right, I wasn't aware of that.

But if he has original floppies, he should talk to the patcher, JFF, I believe, who might be able to help. He's a busy guy, but very helpful - and if its a relatively small fix....

[frikilokooo]

I don't have the original Cruise for a Corpse,I have a cracked adf.

I'm interested in more games with the same problem.

[pbareges]

Originally Posted by Angus

Surely that's not right. I've been avoiding setpatch for years by running a script in order to load one game or another.

yep me too ! but i can ensure you that the "boot without startup-sequence" option includes a kind of "setpatch quiet" as you'll have the exact same gfx corrupts that the ones after setpatch quiet....

make a test boot without startup-sequence and launch monkey island for instance!! we'll see what happens then....

[Bloodwych]

I'm not sure I fully understand the question - are you saying they work when run from ADF outside Workbench, but when you install them to the hard drive or run them from within Workbench they fail?

So basically AGA mode is preventing them from running, and they work in ECS mode?

If so, you can use embedder or a similar program to degrade the Workbench then run the program - I think it's in the C directory and you just place it as a tooltype in the games launch icon.

Another method is to write a launch script to degrade the A1200 and run the program. Aminet should have loads of CLI/Shell tools to degrade A1200's in order to run older programs from Workbench. TUDE provided in the ClassicWB programs directory can do it too - read the instructions.

If I haven't understood the request, I apologise!

[pbareges]

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

I'm not sure I fully understand the question - are you saying they work when run from ADF outside Workbench, but when you install them to the hard drive or run them from within Workbench they fail?

So basically AGA mode is preventing them from running, and they work in ECS mode?

If so, you can use embedder or a similar program to degrade the Workbench then run the program - I think it's in the C directory and you just place it as a tooltype in the games launch icon.

Another method is to write a launch script to degrade the A1200 and run the program. Aminet should have loads of CLI/Shell tools to degrade A1200's in order to run older programs from Workbench. TUDE provided in the ClassicWB programs directory can do it too - read the instructions.

If I haven't understood the request, I apologise!

yep degraders may help in most cases (dune for instance) but in the case of lucasarts games i seem to remember that i really had to boot the computer without (setpatch quiet) command line to make it work

[Bloodwych]

Originally Posted by pbareges

yep degraders may help in most cases (dune for instance) but in the case of lucasarts games i seem to remember that i really had to boot the computer without (setpatch quiet) command line to make it work

I never knew this - I know the Monkey Island series and Indy ran fine from within Workbench once my A1200 was degraded, but the games mentioned above I don't think I've tried outside of WHDload.

I'll have to have a look into a solution next time I play around.

[fc.studio]

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

I never knew this - I know the Monkey Island series and Indy ran fine from within Workbench once my A1200 was degraded, but the games mentioned above I don't think I've tried outside of WHDload.

I'll have to have a look into a solution next time I play around.

I can confirm that Monkey Island run fine on my A1200 by degrading to OCS/ECS at boot screen and then continuing the boot from my standard StartUp-Sequence containing SetPatch.

[frikilokooo]

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

If so, you can use embedder or a similar program to degrade the Workbench then run the program - I think it's in the C directory and you just place it as a tooltype in the games launch icon.

it's much better than to deactivate AGA chip from boot screen,thank you

although that's not the problem.

[frikilokooo]

I wrote both scripts in only one with Jano editor and I called it startup-cruise.This is the script,isn't it?

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-temp
rename startup-cruise startup-sequence
wait 3
tude hardreset

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-cruise
rename startup-temp startup-sequence
wait 2

cruise


Then I have used execute comand:startup-cruise and then I read a message of no executable

have I done anything badly?

this game doesn't make assign

[pbareges]

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

I wrote both scripts in only one with Jano editor and I called it startup-cruise.This is the script,isn't it?

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-temp
rename startup-cruise startup-sequence
wait 3
tude hardreset

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-cruise
rename startup-temp startup-sequence
wait 2

cruise


Then I have used execute comand:startup-cruise and then I read a message of no executable

have I done anything badly?

this game doesn't make assign

¸
you're tenacious aren't you?
ok you need to save this first script as (your game directory)/rebootstart :

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-temp
rename startup-cruise startup-sequence
wait 3
tude hardreset

then you need to save this second script as dh0:s/startup-cruise :

DH0:s
rename startup-sequence startup-cruise
rename startup-temp startup-sequence
wait 2
dh0:cruiseforacorpse
cruise

provided your game directory is dh0:cruiseforacorpse for instance

you have to make sure that the tude command is available under dh0:c/. I don't remember if wait command is part of the os or from aminet, please check under your dh0:c/ folder also and download it if not in here.

then go under your game directory within a cli window (later you can assign and icon to rebootstart script with the tooltype execute) and type in : execute rebootstart...

DON'T BLAME ME IF IT FUCKS UP YOUR HD..I WARNED YOU!! GOOD LUCK!