Multi-disk games 'locked' on DF0 list

[kremiso]

another annoying list

no, wait, i just want to share here in the nostalgic forum
surely for retro-cataloguing purpose, mainly

a list of the Amiga multi disk games that refuse whatever external floppy drive;
i don't know if we already have something similar here, in first

btw, the list is not complete yet, i'm testing the .ipf set in the free time

EDIT : i have added also all the cracked releases matches, if no ipf's are available yet

the list should be complete now

feel free to point out errors or add titles

A.G.E. - Advanced Galactic Empire
A.M.C. - Astro Marine Corps (cracked version test)
After Burner (Activision 2 disks version)
Air Support
Alcatraz
Alien 3
Alien Breed
Alien Breed - Special Edition '92
Alien Breed Tower Assault (OCS & AGA)
Alien Breed 3D 2 (AGA 2MB version)(cracked version test)
'Allo! 'Allo! Cartoon Fun!
Altered Beast
American Gladiators (cracked version test)
Another World
Apocalypse
Aquanauts (cracked version test)
Aquaventura
Armalyte
ATR - All Terrain Racing (cracked version test)
B17 Flying Fortress
B.A.T.
B.A.T. II (cracked version test)
Back to the Future - part III
Bangkok Knights
Barbarian II (Palace)(2 disks version)
Bargon Attack
Beavers
Behind the Iron Gate
Best of the Best - Championship Karate
Beverly Hills Cop
Black Sect (Fr)
Blitz Tennis
Blood Money
Borobodur
Brat
Brian the Lion (OCS & AGA)
Bubble Gun (cracked version test)
Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show (cracked version test)
Bump N Burn
Cadaver
California Games
Campaign
Carthage
Celtic Legends
Chuck Rock
Chuck Rock 2
City Cars (cracked version test)
Club Football - The Manager
COALA (ECS & AGA)
Combo Racer
Corporation
Cosmic Spacehead
Cougar Force (cracked version test)
Crime Time (cracked version test)
Curse of Enchantia
Cyber Empires (cracked version test)
Cygnus 8 (.adf's)
Dalek Attack
Damage - the sadistic Butchering of Humanity (cracked version test)
DarkSpyre
Denaris (2 disks version)
Deuteros
Devious Designs
Discovery - in the steps of Columbus
Double Agent
Dragonflight
Dyter 07 (2 disks version)(cracked version test)
Eagle's Rider
East vs West - Berlin 1948
European Champions (Ocean)
Exile (AGA)
Exodus 3010 (cracked version test)
Explora III (Fr)
F1 Manager (cracked version test)
F-19 Stealth Fighter
Fantastic Dizzy (OCS)
Fantastic Voyage
Fatman - the Caped Consumer
Fighter Bomber
Fire and Ice
First Samurai
Flashback
Forgotten Worlds
Forest Dumb (Pl)(cracked version test)
Forest Dumb Forever!!! (Pl)(cracked version test)
Four Crystals of Trazere, The
Frenetic
Full Contact
Fury of the Furries
Future Space
Fuzzball
Galdregon's Domain
Games, The - Summer Edition
Games, The - Winter Edition
Gateway Y (cracked version test)
Garrison
Garrison II
Gem Stone Legend (cracked version test)
Ghouls n Ghosts
Gilbert - Escape from Drill
Gobliiins
Gobliins 2
Goblins 3
Golden Eagle (cracked version test)
Grand National
Grand Prix 500 2 (cracked version test)
Guardian (AGA)
Harlequin
Hero's Quest - so you want to be a hero
Hexuma (De)
Highway Hawks
Hoi
Hollywood Poker Pro
Home Alone
Hot Rubber (.adf's)
Hoyle's Official Book of Games Vol.1
Humans, The
Immortal, The
Ishar (OCS & AGA)
Ishar 2 (OCS)
Island of Lost Hope
Jim Power
Jinks
Joe & Mac Caveman Ninja
Kaiser (De)(cracked version test)
Katakis
Kick Off 3 (OCS & AGA)
Killing Cloud, The
Leisure Suit Larry II
Legend
Legend of Ragnarok (cracked version test)
Little Red Riding Hood (cracked version test)
Lombard RAC Rally
Lorna (cracked version test)
Lotus III
Master Axe (AGA)(cracked version test)
Maupiti Island
Mega Twins
Metal Masters
Miami Chase
Miki (Pl)(cracked version test)
Missiles Over Xerion
Mobile Warfare (.adf's)
Moonshine Racers
Morph (OCS)
Mortal Weapon (Pl)(cracked version test)
MOT (Fr)(cracked version test)
Mr. Blobby
Murders in Space
Mystere - Fuga dal Castello di Lockness (It)(.adf's)
New York Warriors
Ninja Remix
Ninja Warriors, The
Olympique de Marseille
Operation Stealth
Operation Wolf
Ork
Oscar
Out Run Europa
Outlands (cracked version test)
Overkill (AGA)
Panza Kick Boxing
Paradise Lost (cracked version test)
Pierre le Chef is... Out to Lunch (AGA)
Pinball Hazard
Pinkie
Poltergeist (cracked version test)
Power Drift
Playdays
Predator (cracked version test)
Predator 2
Premiere
Prophecy I - the Viking Child
Psyborg
Push-Over
Putty Squad (AGA)(cracked version test)
Quik the Thunder Rabbit
Rainbow Warriors (cracked version test)
Ranx - the Videogame
Realm of the Trolls (.adf's)
Realms
Retee 2!
Robinson's Requiem (OCS)(.adf's)
Robocop 2
Rock'n Roll
Rooster (Pl)(cracked version test)
Rooster II (Pl)(cracked version test)
Rubicon
Safari Guns (cracked version test)
Samurai - the Way of the Warrior
Sanctuary (De)(cracked version test)
Savage
Second Samurai (OCS & AGA)
Silly Putty
Sink or Swim
Shadow of the Beast
Shadow of the Beast II
Shadow Sorcerer
Skarb Templariuszy (Pl)(cracked version test)
Skidmarks
Snapperazzi
Spaceball
Space Gun
Space Quest III
Spirit of Adventure (cracked version test)
StarRay
Steel Empire
Stellar Crusade
Strike Aces
Stryx
Sturmtruppen (cracked version test)
Super Cars
Super Cars II
Super Cauldron
Super League Manager (AGA)
Super Methane Bros (cracked version test)
Super Ski II
Super Skweek
Super Space Invaders
Super Sport Challenge
Super Taekwondo Master (Pl)(cracked version test)
Superman - the Man of Steel
Surf Ninjas (AGA)
Swords and Galleons (cracked version test)
Tactical Manager
Tactical Manager 2
Tennis Cup II
Theatre of Death
Thunder Jaws
Thunderhawk AH-73M
Time Race
Time Soldier
Tin Toy Adventure (AGA)(.adf's)
Tiny Skweeks
Tip Off
Torvak the Warrior
Transarctica (OCS)
Transarctica (AGA)(cracked version test)
Traps'n'Treasures
Trolls (OCS & AGA)
Turbo Out Run
Tusker
Ultima V
Universe
Venus the Flytrap
VideoKid
Vital Light
Viz - the Game
Walpurgis (PD game)
Warm-Up (.adf's)
Warriors of Releyne
Ween - the Prophecy
Wembley International Soccer (AGA)
Western Games
West Phaser (cracked version test)
Whizz (OCS & AGA)
Wings of Death
Wizardry - Bane of the Cosmic Forge
Wolfchild
Wonder Dog
Woody's World
Worlds of Legend - Son of the Empire
WWF European Rampage Tour
WWF Wrestle Mania
Xenon 2 (2 disks version)
Xenophobe
X-Out (2 disks version)
Zool (OCS & AGA)
Zool 2 (OCS)

[BarryB]

When you say 'refuse whatever external floppy drive' do you mean even though an external drive is connected the game will not use it?

if so, Sly Spy (in WinUAE with DF1: enabled) says "PLEASE INSERT DISK B INTO DRIVE B" so it does use 2 drives!!

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by BarryB

When you say 'refuse whatever external floppy drive' do you mean even though an external drive is connected the game will not use it?

if so, Sly Spy (in WinUAE with DF1: enabled) says "PLEASE INSERT DISK B INTO DRIVE B" so it does use 2 drives!!

checked again, confirmed
strange behaviour btw, if you insert both disks before booting the game will use just the internal drive!

the df1 drive must be left empty, until the game will ask for the second disk after the boot

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list updated (also with some new titles) thanks

[Phantasm]

Cracks will sometimes vary (for better or for worse) so it would be good to be clear in your list if it's a cracked version or the original/ipf

[BarryB]

Originally Posted by kremiso

checked again, confirmed
strange behaviour btw, if you insert both disks before booting the game will use just the internal drive!

the df1 drive must be left empty, until the game will ask for the second disk after the boot

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list updated (also with some new titles) thanks

I never insert disks into DF1: as I wait for the insert disk prompt to see which drive it will use!

[mcgeezer]

probably because they need that little bit extra ram to run. Additional drives soaks up your ram, it's a pain in the ass.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Phantasm

Cracks will sometimes vary (for better or for worse) so it would be good to be clear in your list if it's a cracked version or the original/ipf

absolutely
this is a 100% ipf based list

only originals

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by BarryB

I never insert disks into DF1: as I wait for the insert disk prompt to see which drive it will use!

different approach
i'll check for this way too, maybe some other titles behaves like Sly Spy

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

probably because they need that little bit extra ram to run. Additional drives soaks up your ram, it's a pain in the ass.

Only on AmigaDOS compliant loading games, custom can simply use same trackbuffer memory.

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Only on AmigaDOS compliant loading games, custom can simply use same trackbuffer memory.

Yeah agreed, i should have clarified that in my answer.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

probably because they need that little bit extra ram to run. Additional drives soaks up your ram, it's a pain in the ass.

combined with the 512k restriction, back in the day;

at the end of the day, i think that the number of disk swaps is what count, overall
i mean, to decide if add or not the extra drive(s);

many games of this list are absolutely playables with just one or two swaps

some games just have the intro (and some the outro too) on the first disk, and the game on second, and that's the least issue, if we can call issue in first

imo the worst ones were those that needed a swap each time you were killed, with the main menu/high score on one disk, and the game on another

many games would have benefited from just the use of the extra 512k trapdoor memory

[kremiso]

list updated

EDIT
i'm adding some cracked games too, if the disks are not included in the ipf Tosec

[kremiso]

i got this curious error, trying to make work Mr.Blobby original ipf's;
it should be an OCS/ECS game, but for being an 1994 game, seems to refuse many configurations

after a couple of fails, i have tried to boot the game with the second disk, using an AGA setting...
not a guru or a reset, but this error message in return
MiniOS version 1.0

reached to run it with a default A500 512k+512k slow conf, afterward

[Dwarfboysim]

I was sure Settlers could handle multiple drives?

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Dwarfboysim

I was sure Settlers could handle multiple drives?

checked again, another title with strange behaviour, but you are right

the strange thing, booting from the disk1 (intro) an inserting the other two disks in df1 and df2, all works ok
but just the intro, cause when the game will try to load the real program (on disk2), will search it on df0 (mandatory)

booting from disk3 (so skipping intro) is what i have tried with my tests, so the game will ask after a first load for the disk2 in df0

a solution for ks2.x and ks3.x users can be the gamedisk2 in df0 and gamedisk3 in df1

curious, thanks

[kremiso]

the list is growing

i have noted a strange behaviour in Cedric and the Lost Sceptre, cracked versions
(due no .ipf's around)
on the manual there is written that the game uses until three floppy drives

but, using an A500 or an A500+ configuration, with in add whatever RAM amount,
i have reached the first level just using a single drive

adding a second drive make crash the game at the end of the first level loading here

someone can confirm?

EDIT the standard .adf's disks set works fine instead
so the problem could be in the PDY crack

[kremiso]

i'm doing a second round check, using the hol database
to check what i have missed

btw the list should be 80% complete atm, if not more

about the results, a bit of shame for all the multidisk Coktel Vision games (Bargon Attack, Goblins serie, etc) or some Ubisoft ones (B.A.T., expecially the second one) that lack of the external drive(s) opportunity

i have four games that i'm almost sure should be added to the list :

- Future Wars, but i need to play it until the second disk check (also strange that is possible to set the savedisk on an external drive, but not the gamedisk)

- Gobliins 2, same as Future Wars, i need to play until the first disk change

- Zool (OCS & AGA), due the codewheel
for Zool2 there is a very useful codelist, but i cannot find something also for the first chapter

[Megalomaniac]

The cracked version of Zool 2 certainly doesn't recognise a second drive, and infuriatingly it makes you swap from disk 1 to 2 and then back to disk 1 between levels (I don't remember the original doing this, it feels really shoddy, but it was a long time ago.

I don't mind this if there are 2 disks and you never need disk 1 again after swapping to disk 2, but its annoying when you need to swap after every level. I can't believe there are point 'n' click adventures on the list, surely the most disk-swap-hungry games of all.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Megalomaniac

The cracked version of Zool 2 certainly doesn't recognise a second drive, and infuriatingly it makes you swap from disk 1 to 2 and then back to disk 1 between levels (I don't remember the original doing this, it feels really shoddy, but it was a long time ago.

yeah, the double swap was common to some cracks bitd
another one was Turrican 2 Defjam, that after the third level required a double swap (disk2 and again disk1) before starting each further level, until the end.

during my tests, i found some games that probably have a garbled data displacement into the disks
like insert disk2, very short loading, insert disk3

or linear games that require a not ordered swap
like ie a 4 disk game, that asks for disk4 after the first one

[ImmortalA1000]

I am 99% sure Moonstone only accepts disks in DF0. Seem to remember it being very frustrating to play as I have 3 disk drives and 2.5mb of RAM on my Amiga 1000 lol nothing like the 'sip your cola while it loads more' Summer of It Came from the Desert 2022