OSSC, Monitor, MiSTer or AGA? - Page 2

Jope · 28 October 2020, 12:22

I'm hopeful.

The forced deinterlace is why I never looked into building or buying Staringlizard's device. You can get that effect cheaply with one of those 25e scart -> hdmi boxes from Amazon.

skan · 28 October 2020, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

I'm hopeful.

Keep us posted as soon as get the toy, please!

skan · 28 October 2020, 12:59

Another slight OT:

I've been doing some personal research on all Amiga-related-things FPGA as well because: A) I'd like to "get the feeling" again (currently working on WinUAE), but due to lack of real estate and money, FPGA feels the right direction to me and B) Can't be bothered to get my A1200 and or A500 back in action after sooo many years of inactivity without some proper testing/recapping first, but alas, again, lack of space and money ATM...

Well, I hoped to get a clearer view on the subject, but all I managed to get is... a terrible headache in the end!

Too many solutions and not a perfect one, only sh!tloads of compromises....

Vampire SA is too much stuff for me right now (not aiming for a wannabe-A6000 honestly, plus not really a fan of their attitude and project vision).

TC64 is kinda cool, but quite expensive (and more focused on C64 features IIRC).

On the other hand, MIST/MISTer/Mistica/SiDi/UnAmiga sound perfect for some retrogaming tinkering, but all seem to lack something (eg: if you want a fanless solution, no HDMI for you - or other compromises like that).

EDIT: another kid in town! This time with HDMI, floppy and keyboard port too!
https://www.elektroda.de/rtvforum/topic3598849.html

RPi: no, thanks!

Maybe I'm just getting too grumpy, old and lazy for this sh!t...

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TL;DR: Is there a fanless MISTer out there?

dreadnought · 28 October 2020, 13:26

Why do you want to go fanless? My MiSTer has got a cheap fan/heatsink bought for less than 10 GBP, works fine, no noise.

You can skip the fan completely for most other cores, but unfortunately Minimig core (and I think ao486) is the one which apparently requires it.

kaffie · 28 October 2020, 15:55

I ended up with a couple of boards for my MiSTer. One with a cheap fan and one with a more expensive silent fan. Can't say I really noticed the difference between the boards, they both extremely quiet.

skan · 28 October 2020, 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadnought

Why do you want to go fanless? My MiSTer has got a cheap fan/heatsink bought for less than 10 GBP, works fine, no noise.

Dunno, never been a fan of fans (sorry, no pun intended, really).
I like silent systems. Or better, I tolerate silent systems ONLY.

I think I don't like the sandwich-design of the MISTer too, as well as the lack of default DB9 joyports.

EDIT: Maybe the Mistica is a better match for what I have in mind... OK, no HDMI, but I can live with that!

captain_zzap · 28 October 2020, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by skan

Another slight OT:
TC64 is kinda cool, but quite expensive (and more focused on C64 features IIRC).

The TC64 is actually really cool, as you can use a minimig core with AGA, RTG and use the keyboard of the C64. It’s nearly a full Amiga and even smaller then the 600. What annoys me about the TC64V2 is the bad VGA signal, similar to the IndivisionECSV2.

skan · 29 October 2020, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain_zzap

The TC64 is actually really cool, as you can use a minimig core with AGA, RTG and use the keyboard of the C64. It’s nearly a full Amiga and even smaller then the 600. What annoys me about the TC64V2 is the bad VGA signal, similar to the IndivisionECSV2.

Yeah, pretty nice toy it seems! I suppose those issues exist just on LCD and not CRT, right?

skan · 29 October 2020, 08:29

...aaaand here we go, another OT

(but maybe this deserves its own thread?)

I stumbled upon this https://www.analogue.co/pocket, a portable FPGA console from Analogue... now, the cool thing about this is they'd like to get more cores on this pretty toy. Scroll the page all the way down and you'll see they are open to get more developers on the platform. So, any Minimig gurus out there willing to register their interest and give us a portable CD32 (+HDMI out through docking station)?

Retro-Nerd · 29 October 2020, 17:36

Good luck in getting one. While i really like the Analogue hardware, the company is taking the most ridiculous way in marketing it. Limited Preorders! They already pissed off a lot of people. And they are doing the same shit later with the new PC-Engine Duo FPGA too.

skan · 29 October 2020, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Good luck in getting one. While i really like the Analogue hardware, the company is taking the most ridiculous way in marketing it. Limited Preorders! They already pissed off a lot of people. And they are doing the same shit later with the new PC-Engine Duo FPGA too.

Ouch, that sucks so badly!

Higgy · 29 October 2020, 20:19

I was originally against potential noise of the MiSTer and thought about just using a heatsink, but I do have a fan and I would also say it is basically soundless. Nothing like a PC

I am pretty sure also that the actual FPGA used in the DE10 kit is industrial grade, so it does have a high temperature rating.

skan · 30 October 2020, 08:49

OK guys, I got it and I trust you, the Mister IS silent enough to be considered "almost fanless".

I had a look on some resellers' sites and damn... Got another headache! Can't keep track of all the boards and sub-boards to buy in order to get a complete system!

dreadnought · 30 October 2020, 10:43

To re-quote myself:

Quote:

32MB SDRAM is enough for everything but some big NeoGeo games (+GBA?).

So, you'll need
-DE10 board
-32SDRAM
-OTG USB hub (powered is best).
-heatsink & fan

Overall~ 150E

You can also buy I/O board and USB board but these are expensive and not really needed. Better get 128SDRAM if you have spare funds.

As an aside, you guys really have some bat-like ears. Never mind MiSTer, I can't even hear my PC

skan · 30 October 2020, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadnought

To re-quote myself:

As an aside, you guys really have some bat-like ears. Never mind MiSTer, I can't even hear my PC

Yeah, I admit I may be a little obsessed about this, but fan noise (even minimal) drives me crazy sometimes and I do need "zen" silence!

Back on topic, I suspect I'd be more around 200-250€ for the setup I have in mind (digital+analog video out, low latency joystick ports, 128MB... a machine to rule them all!)

dreadnought · 30 October 2020, 12:03

Analog video can be achieved by using Direct Video function, so you only need to buy a cheap DAC for that (under 10E). Plus a VGA cable, but that's needed with I/O board as well.

The low-latency solutions (Blisster etc) can cost a bit, though I'm not sure they really make difference, given the overall low-lag of MiSTer itself (especially if you output to a CRT). I guess this is an equivalent of audiophile zone

robinsonb5 · 30 October 2020, 13:20

Yet another option to consider - as if there weren't enough already - Stephen Jones from the Checkmate A1500 case project is testing a Mini-ITX UnAmiga variant.

sittingduck · 30 October 2020, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by skan

RPi: no, thanks!

Nothing beats the real thing, but I find Amiberry quite good on my Pi 3. It works great with whdload. What is it about a Pi you don't like?

skan · 30 October 2020, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadnought

I guess this is an equivalent of audiophile zone

Good point!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sittingduck

Nothing beats the real thing, but I find Amiberry quite good on my Pi 3. It works great with whdload. What is it about a Pi you don't like?

Linux. Until we have a proper, zero-hassle baremetal 68k+UAE solution, I'm not interested.
Maybe that's "zealot-audiophile-zone" too for some of you, but it's more "mp3 vs. flac" zone to me!

sittingduck · 05 November 2020, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by skan

Good point!

Linux. Until we have a proper, zero-hassle baremetal 68k+UAE solution, I'm not interested.
Maybe that's "zealot-audiophile-zone" too for some of you, but it's more "mp3 vs. flac" zone to me!

Yeah, but if you transcode all those 128 kbit mp3's to 320 kbit it really stomps all over the flacs at half the size

28 October 2020, 12:59	#23
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	Another slight OT: I've been doing some personal research on all Amiga-related-things FPGA as well because: A) I'd like to "get the feeling" again (currently working on WinUAE), but due to lack of real estate and money, FPGA feels the right direction to me and B) Can't be bothered to get my A1200 and or A500 back in action after sooo many years of inactivity without some proper testing/recapping first, but alas, again, lack of space and money ATM... Well, I hoped to get a clearer view on the subject, but all I managed to get is... a terrible headache in the end! Too many solutions and not a perfect one, only sh!tloads of compromises.... Vampire SA is too much stuff for me right now (not aiming for a wannabe-A6000 honestly, plus not really a fan of their attitude and project vision). TC64 is kinda cool, but quite expensive (and more focused on C64 features IIRC). On the other hand, MIST/MISTer/Mistica/SiDi/UnAmiga sound perfect for some retrogaming tinkering, but all seem to lack something (eg: if you want a fanless solution, no HDMI for you - or other compromises like that). EDIT: another kid in town! This time with HDMI, floppy and keyboard port too! https://www.elektroda.de/rtvforum/topic3598849.html RPi: no, thanks! Maybe I'm just getting too grumpy, old and lazy for this sh!t... -------- TL;DR: Is there a fanless MISTer out there? Last edited by skan; 29 October 2020 at 08:54.

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28 October 2020, 12:22	#21
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	I'm hopeful. The forced deinterlace is why I never looked into building or buying Staringlizard's device. You can get that effect cheaply with one of those 25e scart -> hdmi boxes from Amazon.

28 October 2020, 13:26	#24
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,899	Why do you want to go fanless? My MiSTer has got a cheap fan/heatsink bought for less than 10 GBP, works fine, no noise. You can skip the fan completely for most other cores, but unfortunately Minimig core (and I think ao486) is the one which apparently requires it.

28 October 2020, 15:55	#25
kaffie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Looe Posts: 12	I ended up with a couple of boards for my MiSTer. One with a cheap fan and one with a more expensive silent fan. Can't say I really noticed the difference between the boards, they both extremely quiet.

29 October 2020, 08:29	#29
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	...aaaand here we go, another OT (but maybe this deserves its own thread?) I stumbled upon this https://www.analogue.co/pocket, a portable FPGA console from Analogue... now, the cool thing about this is they'd like to get more cores on this pretty toy. Scroll the page all the way down and you'll see they are open to get more developers on the platform. So, any Minimig gurus out there willing to register their interest and give us a portable CD32 (+HDMI out through docking station)?

29 October 2020, 17:36	#30
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Good luck in getting one. While i really like the Analogue hardware, the company is taking the most ridiculous way in marketing it. Limited Preorders! They already pissed off a lot of people. And they are doing the same shit later with the new PC-Engine Duo FPGA too.

29 October 2020, 20:19	#32
Higgy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 547	I was originally against potential noise of the MiSTer and thought about just using a heatsink, but I do have a fan and I would also say it is basically soundless. Nothing like a PC I am pretty sure also that the actual FPGA used in the DE10 kit is industrial grade, so it does have a high temperature rating.

30 October 2020, 08:49	#33
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	OK guys, I got it and I trust you, the Mister IS silent enough to be considered "almost fanless". I had a look on some resellers' sites and damn... Got another headache! Can't keep track of all the boards and sub-boards to buy in order to get a complete system!

30 October 2020, 12:03	#36
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,899	Analog video can be achieved by using Direct Video function, so you only need to buy a cheap DAC for that (under 10E). Plus a VGA cable, but that's needed with I/O board as well. The low-latency solutions (Blisster etc) can cost a bit, though I'm not sure they really make difference, given the overall low-lag of MiSTer itself (especially if you output to a CRT). I guess this is an equivalent of audiophile zone

30 October 2020, 13:20	#37
robinsonb5 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,153	Yet another option to consider - as if there weren't enough already - Stephen Jones from the Checkmate A1500 case project is testing a Mini-ITX UnAmiga variant.

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