A fast emulator for C64

Leandro Jardim · 13 January 2010, 21:09

Hi, I got a copy of Geos 64 and nothing is better than use it in a C64 emulator on a Amiga emulator, is not true?

I am looking for a fast C64 emulator for Amiga, I want to run it on an AGA screen mode and with near A1200 speed. I want to emulate a classic low-end Amiga 1200 machine (with a small accelerator, maybe...) and with a cool C64 emulator inside it...

Does anyone can indicate for me a good C64 emulator for Amiga; and maybe even put it in The Zone?

Geos is an incredible graphical interface for the C64, with windows, mouse, icons and buttons, like the Amiga Workbench or the Macintosh System. It comes with a paint program (like MS Paint), a WYSIWYG word processor (like MS Word), a database manager (like MS Access), spreadsheet (like MS Excel), a desktop publishing program, assembler, BASIC language, Forth language and more...

http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/onrequest/geos.html

All this make me think, WHY Commodore do not had this clever idea of producing so many good tools for the Amiga Workbench, if even a 8 bit system with a 1 MHz processor and 64 KB of memory was capable of doing all this! And we are questioning if the graphics chipset is slow because it is planar, if the MC680EC20 cpu is obsolete for today applications, bla bla...

Microsoft was very smart, for producing so many good programs for its Windows.

StingRay · 13 January 2010, 21:12

If you want to run GEOS you need an emulator with 100% floppy emulation => slow!

Retro1234 · 13 January 2010, 21:16

As far as I know Magic64 is the best emulator for Amiga and thats not that great - maybe someone can give more info.

Ive always wanted to try GEOS - With Software for Workbench I agree but dont forget commodore didnt realy produce software and with emulators like ShapShifter you can run Classic 68k Mac OS that has a good selection of Apps including Ms Word/Excel - But I think aleast a decent NotePad should have come as standard with Workbench.

StingRay · 13 January 2010, 21:18

MagiC64 is very fast and OK but lacks 100% floppy emulation thus most games/demos etc. won't work.

Retro1234 · 13 January 2010, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

MagiC64 is very fast and OK but lacks 100% floppy emulation thus most games/demos etc. won't work.

Ok Thanks

What about Tape or cartridge emulation? - If a game could be loaded into Magic64 do you think it would have the power to run it?

StingRay · 13 January 2010, 21:28

MagiC64 is very fast, even on 68030. If your game doesn't require any floppy emulation the speed should be OK. I used it back in '97 on my 68030/50 A1200 and it was quite usable.

Retro-Nerd · 13 January 2010, 21:33

A 68030/50 is probably good enough, my 68030/42 doesn't reach the 50 FPS, app. 45-47.

Retro1234 · 13 January 2010, 21:37

Does sound good ill have to have a proper look now

Leandro Jardim · 13 January 2010, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

As far as I know Magic64 is the best emulator for Amiga and thats not that great - maybe someone can give more info.

Ive always wanted to try GEOS - With Software for Workbench I agree but dont forget commodore didnt realy produce software and with emulators like ShapShifter you can run Classic 68k Mac OS that has a good selection of Apps including Ms Word/Excel - But I think aleast a decent NotePad should have come as standard with Workbench.

You are saying of Geos running on an Amiga like I said, or in any platform (like Windows)? That link I gave is full of pdf manuals and c64 images of Geos!

I agree with you, also.

Using the ShapeShifter on the Amiga and using all its good softwares is like a dream but is software for Macintosh (hehe, this is like if we say we want to use software for Atari ST...

). And we see software producers from other platforms do not find the classic Amiga a viable platform because of the lack of power of the computer. But I do not believe on that, I think it is possible to do good software on the Amiga.

Mad-Matt · 13 January 2010, 23:01

Frodo was probably the best emu, but even ppc version slowed right down when floppy emu is enabled. I usualy turned it on/off as need be (on for loading - off while playing game)

Retro1234 · 13 January 2010, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leandro Jardim

You are saying of Geos running on an Amiga like I said, or in any platform (like Windows)? That link I gave is full of pdf manuals and c64 images of Geos!

I agree with you, also.

Using the ShapeShifter on the Amiga and using all its good softwares is like a dream but is software for Macintosh (hehe, this is like if we say we want to use software for Atari ST...

). And we see software producers from other platforms do not find the classic Amiga a viable platform because of the lack of power of the computer. But I do not believe on that, I think it is possible to do good software on the Amiga.

Well to try under Windows its one of those things that I never get around to

There are some good Apps for Workbench, Wordworth7,Final Copy-Word Processors and Turbocalc -SpeadSheet still used today with OS4 maybe not up to the same standards but popular. Funny you should mention Atari ST -DTPs were considered better on the ST by some.

Edit: obviously the Apps were not made by commodore........

amiga · 14 January 2010, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

...

There are some good Apps for Workbench, Wordworth7,Final Copy-Word Processors and Turbocalc -SpeadSheet ........

For PC stuff u better use a PC !!

Lightwave, Toaster/Flyer, Scala, Octamed, Bars'n'Pipes, Deluxe Paint, ImageFX, etc...; THOSE were the apps !!

Leandro Jardim · 14 January 2010, 21:33

Really, the Amiga has classic programs also and it are remembered even by users of other platforms.

PS. Thanks all for the help with the emulator. Is a bit hard for me to write all this. I do not speak english. I even tried to write a "dissertation" about what I think but is very difficult (for me) to write in english.

I do not know nothing about the types of verbs in the past (and other things I do not yet know...).

And with Commodore, we talk in the past...

But Commodore is pratically the father of the Amiga (and who is the mother?

) and did nice things for we ("we" NOT, us!).

Fabie · 15 January 2010, 07:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

A 68030/50 is probably good enough, my 68030/42 doesn't reach the 50 FPS, app. 45-47.

to use Magic64 a 060/50 or a 040/40mhz it's the minimum required for a good emulation
otherwise will run slow and don't reach a good framerate of 1/1
also if you use the playsid.library which is the best for sound a 030 will be so slow

Retro1234 · 16 January 2010, 11:09

Ive given Magic64 ago and is ok but compared to something like AmiMasterGear seems slow.

Retro1234 · 16 January 2010, 15:14

Just tried Frodo this is telling me 68040 only - so not intrested
Were there ever any good C64 emulators for classic mac? -maybe some crosss emulation.

Leandro Jardim · 19 January 2010, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Just tried Frodo this is telling me 68040 only - so not intrested
Were there ever any good C64 emulators for classic mac? -maybe some crosss emulation.

Using an emulator for Mac certainly would give best results, but for me I need a C64 emulator with a classic C64/Amiga look and feel. I want to show this cool system to family and friends.

But for me, I guess now that there is not a good way to emulate a C64 on a low-end Amiga (and even on a high-end amiga its not so good).

This is unfortunate, because the C64 is a good system made by Commodore and I loved all my Amiga computers I owned.

I thanks you all which gave me response, but I think this is all. This is giving so many problems to you all, which I think is better to give up. Bye!

amiga · 19 January 2010, 18:21

@Leandro Jardim:

You can try this one: http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TheA64Package

It's NOT resource intensive as Magic64 or others.

StingRay · 19 January 2010, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga

You can try this one: http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TheA64Package

It's NOT resource intensive as Magic64 or others.

And pretty much unusable since the emulation is not exactly good. There might be a reason why it is so fast...

mombasajoe · 02 February 2010, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

A 68030/50 is probably good enough, my 68030/42 doesn't reach the 50 FPS, app. 45-47.

Hmmm. I´ve got a nearly naked A1200 (no tower, no gfx-card, just FliFi and 68060)...and Magic64 runs at 100% with sound. With a 68030/50 ist was too slow with sound enabled (no frame-skip of course)

13 January 2010, 21:09	#1
Leandro Jardim Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Legoland Age: 45 Posts: 1,461	A fast emulator for C64 Hi, I got a copy of Geos 64 and nothing is better than use it in a C64 emulator on a Amiga emulator, is not true? I am looking for a fast C64 emulator for Amiga, I want to run it on an AGA screen mode and with near A1200 speed. I want to emulate a classic low-end Amiga 1200 machine (with a small accelerator, maybe...) and with a cool C64 emulator inside it... Does anyone can indicate for me a good C64 emulator for Amiga; and maybe even put it in The Zone? Geos is an incredible graphical interface for the C64, with windows, mouse, icons and buttons, like the Amiga Workbench or the Macintosh System. It comes with a paint program (like MS Paint), a WYSIWYG word processor (like MS Word), a database manager (like MS Access), spreadsheet (like MS Excel), a desktop publishing program, assembler, BASIC language, Forth language and more... http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/onrequest/geos.html All this make me think, WHY Commodore do not had this clever idea of producing so many good tools for the Amiga Workbench, if even a 8 bit system with a 1 MHz processor and 64 KB of memory was capable of doing all this! And we are questioning if the graphics chipset is slow because it is planar, if the MC680EC20 cpu is obsolete for today applications, bla bla... Microsoft was very smart, for producing so many good programs for its Windows. Last edited by Leandro Jardim; 13 January 2010 at 21:17.

14 January 2010, 21:33	#13
Leandro Jardim Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Legoland Age: 45 Posts: 1,461	Really, the Amiga has classic programs also and it are remembered even by users of other platforms. PS. Thanks all for the help with the emulator. Is a bit hard for me to write all this. I do not speak english. I even tried to write a "dissertation" about what I think but is very difficult (for me) to write in english. I do not know nothing about the types of verbs in the past (and other things I do not yet know...). And with Commodore, we talk in the past... But Commodore is pratically the father of the Amiga (and who is the mother? ) and did nice things for we ("we" NOT, us!). Last edited by Leandro Jardim; 15 January 2010 at 00:21.

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13 January 2010, 21:12	#2
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	If you want to run GEOS you need an emulator with 100% floppy emulation => slow!

13 January 2010, 21:16	#3
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	As far as I know Magic64 is the best emulator for Amiga and thats not that great - maybe someone can give more info. Ive always wanted to try GEOS - With Software for Workbench I agree but dont forget commodore didnt realy produce software and with emulators like ShapShifter you can run Classic 68k Mac OS that has a good selection of Apps including Ms Word/Excel - But I think aleast a decent NotePad should have come as standard with Workbench.

13 January 2010, 21:18	#4
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	MagiC64 is very fast and OK but lacks 100% floppy emulation thus most games/demos etc. won't work.

13 January 2010, 21:28	#6
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	MagiC64 is very fast, even on 68030. If your game doesn't require any floppy emulation the speed should be OK. I used it back in '97 on my 68030/50 A1200 and it was quite usable.

13 January 2010, 21:33	#7
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	A 68030/50 is probably good enough, my 68030/42 doesn't reach the 50 FPS, app. 45-47.

13 January 2010, 21:37	#8
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Does sound good ill have to have a proper look now

13 January 2010, 23:01	#10
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	Frodo was probably the best emu, but even ppc version slowed right down when floppy emu is enabled. I usualy turned it on/off as need be (on for loading - off while playing game)

16 January 2010, 11:09	#15
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Ive given Magic64 ago and is ok but compared to something like AmiMasterGear seems slow.

16 January 2010, 15:14	#16
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Just tried Frodo this is telling me 68040 only - so not intrested Were there ever any good C64 emulators for classic mac? -maybe some crosss emulation.

19 January 2010, 18:21	#18
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	@Leandro Jardim: You can try this one: http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TheA64Package It's NOT resource intensive as Magic64 or others.

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