Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition - Page 42

Foul · 07 March 2019, 23:28

2 Whdload icons made by me

dlfrsilver · 07 March 2019, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Foul

2 Whdload icons made by me

kind of beauty.

I can also make an icon from my X68000 copy package

alpine9000 · 08 March 2019, 00:25

This game should be called RygAGAr

lmimmfn · 08 March 2019, 03:21

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Originally Posted by alpine9000

This game should be called RygAGAr

RyAGAr would be better

Hewitson · 08 March 2019, 03:51

RygarAGA!

jotd · 08 March 2019, 08:19

@mcgeezer robinson5 suggests $FF00. I'm performing this after having read, but I guess that it doesn't make a great difference.

Note that on V0B I tested the writes to this register, and nothing came out. But it seemed to work. But it's WinUAE (where the behaviour is simulated, but you never know with those awful extra button read methods)

Following the versions with whdload patch will probably be a bit difficult to follow. Not sure if I'll create one at each beta.

Toni Wilen · 08 March 2019, 09:14

FF00 vs CC00: makes no difference if 3rd button is not needed.

trydowave · 08 March 2019, 20:08

im having trouble loading the adf by mounting it on my A1200. do i have to create a floppy for it to work?

Any news on the whdload fix as i might just try that instead.

mcgeezer · 08 March 2019, 20:31

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Originally Posted by trydowave

im having trouble loading the adf by mounting it on my A1200. do i have to create a floppy for it to work?

Any news on the whdload fix as i might just try that instead.

No, the ADF is bootable.

Did you disable all of your external drives so you get the maximum chip ram?

Can you provide a screen shot?

ross · 08 March 2019, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by trydowave

im having trouble loading the adf by mounting it on my A1200. do i have to create a floppy for it to work?

Any news on the whdload fix as i might just try that instead.

In the Zone you can find the WHDLoad version (RygarWHD.zip)

By 'mounting' do you mean inserting the ADF in a WB environment and try to start the exe from it?

Irek´72 · 09 March 2019, 12:17

I tried the WHDLoad and ADF version of this game on two Amigas and it seems that the main character's jump does not work at all (A1200 /40 /128MB) or only for a short time (A1200 /20 /4MB). However, everything seems to work properly on WinUAE.

mcgeezer · 09 March 2019, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irek´72

I tried the WHDLoad and ADF version of this game on two Amigas and it seems that the main character's jump does not work at all (A1200 /40 /128MB) or only for a short time (A1200 /20 /4MB). However, everything seems to work properly on WinUAE.

which version of the ADF did you use?

Irek´72 · 09 March 2019, 12:52

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Originally Posted by mcgeezer

which version of the ADF did you use?

I think that I use the newest version from 02.03.

mcgeezer · 09 March 2019, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irek´72

I think that I use the newest version from 02.03.

On the title screen what version does it say?

It could be 0.6, 0.7, 0.10 or 0.11

Irek´72 · 09 March 2019, 14:06

Version 0.11

Toni Wilen · 09 March 2019, 14:13

Does button stop also working (or only works once) in WinUAE if you change Game Ports panel device type from "default" (or "gamepad") to "Joystick"?

Nightshft · 09 March 2019, 16:22

Movement, jump and the game itself work fine on my A1200/28Mhz/4MB.
(The only bugs in my setup are graphical glitches)

Rygar 0.11(=V 0B) loaded from physical floppy. A1200 with Blizzard 1220/4.

Ideas:
Both Buttons on your Joystick working well?
You dont have Autofire switched on?
Maybe try a joystick test.

Edit:
Some weeks ago i tried a dozen of joystick testers and one of the best is from cret. It also checks for the 2nd button. Uploaded it to the zone for anybody interested.

jotd · 09 March 2019, 17:36

Irek have you tried the whdload version in the zone? because it seems to depend on the joystick used, and I think I fixed some missing instruction in the whdload fix.

This 2nd button "war" could go on and on. Even some commercial games from the 1990s had broken 2nd button support because the testers had some "nice" joysticks (or CD32 pads). I've fixed a couple of those.

mcgeezer · 09 March 2019, 17:48

It wouldbe good to get some concise technical guidance on how to implement this properly.

Perhaps i havent done it right, my understanding is that ineed to write to potgo and then at least 4 scanlines after i need to read potgor.

I use a monster joystick and a sega cd32 pad...

Perhapsi need to widen the time between write and read.

Toni Wilen · 09 March 2019, 17:56

You only need to write once to POTGO if you only need to read normal digital joystick button 2 (and optionally 3), it is described in HRM (Interface hardware chapter, Digital IO on the controller port. "These lines can be also used for button input"..).

Only CD32 pad need more complex method.

EDIT: There is confusing information floating around because POT lines can work at least in 3 different configurations. (read variable resistor = analog joystick/paddle, normal I/O pin, I/O pin with internal pullup. Analog joystick mode can be also used to read digital buttons but it just makes it much more complex without any gains)

08 March 2019, 08:19	#826
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	@mcgeezer robinson5 suggests $FF00. I'm performing this after having read, but I guess that it doesn't make a great difference. Note that on V0B I tested the writes to this register, and nothing came out. But it seemed to work. But it's WinUAE (where the behaviour is simulated, but you never know with those awful extra button read methods) Following the versions with whdload patch will probably be a bit difficult to follow. Not sure if I'll create one at each beta. Last edited by jotd; 08 March 2019 at 08:28.

09 March 2019, 14:06	#835
Irek´72 ´040 User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Emsland/Germany Age: 51 Posts: 450	Version 0.11 Attached Thumbnails

09 March 2019, 16:22	#837
Nightshft Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Austria Posts: 615	Movement, jump and the game itself work fine on my A1200/28Mhz/4MB. (The only bugs in my setup are graphical glitches) Rygar 0.11(=V 0B) loaded from physical floppy. A1200 with Blizzard 1220/4. Ideas: Both Buttons on your Joystick working well? You dont have Autofire switched on? Maybe try a joystick test. Edit: Some weeks ago i tried a dozen of joystick testers and one of the best is from cret. It also checks for the 2nd button. Uploaded it to the zone for anybody interested. Last edited by Nightshft; 09 March 2019 at 16:30.

09 March 2019, 17:56	#840
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	You only need to write once to POTGO if you only need to read normal digital joystick button 2 (and optionally 3), it is described in HRM (Interface hardware chapter, Digital IO on the controller port. "These lines can be also used for button input"..). Only CD32 pad need more complex method. EDIT: There is confusing information floating around because POT lines can work at least in 3 different configurations. (read variable resistor = analog joystick/paddle, normal I/O pin, I/O pin with internal pullup. Analog joystick mode can be also used to read digital buttons but it just makes it much more complex without any gains) Last edited by Toni Wilen; 09 March 2019 at 18:02.

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alpine9000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Australia Posts: 881	This game should be called RygAGAr

08 March 2019, 03:51	#825
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Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	FF00 vs CC00: makes no difference if 3rd button is not needed.

08 March 2019, 20:08	#828
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	im having trouble loading the adf by mounting it on my A1200. do i have to create a floppy for it to work? Any news on the whdload fix as i might just try that instead.

09 March 2019, 12:17	#831
Irek´72 ´040 User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Emsland/Germany Age: 51 Posts: 450	I tried the WHDLoad and ADF version of this game on two Amigas and it seems that the main character's jump does not work at all (A1200 /40 /128MB) or only for a short time (A1200 /20 /4MB). However, everything seems to work properly on WinUAE.

09 March 2019, 14:13	#836
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Does button stop also working (or only works once) in WinUAE if you change Game Ports panel device type from "default" (or "gamepad") to "Joystick"?

09 March 2019, 17:36	#838
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	Irek have you tried the whdload version in the zone? because it seems to depend on the joystick used, and I think I fixed some missing instruction in the whdload fix. This 2nd button "war" could go on and on. Even some commercial games from the 1990s had broken 2nd button support because the testers had some "nice" joysticks (or CD32 pads). I've fixed a couple of those.

09 March 2019, 17:48	#839
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	It wouldbe good to get some concise technical guidance on how to implement this properly. Perhaps i havent done it right, my understanding is that ineed to write to potgo and then at least 4 scanlines after i need to read potgor. I use a monster joystick and a sega cd32 pad... Perhapsi need to widen the time between write and read.

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