AmigaOS 3.2 and beyond - Page 3

Daedalus · 01 April 2020, 10:07

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Originally Posted by boemann

I better clarify that there are still modifiers for going to the end etc, they have just been changed so shift is for selection, alt is for smaller logical moves (words or page up/dnt )and ctrl is for extreme (end of line, end of document).

Ah, I see, that makes more sense... Thanks for clarifying!

Olaf Barthel · 01 April 2020, 10:10

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Originally Posted by fgh

Keep up the awesome work guys!

I’d love fixes to the cdtv kickstart / extended rom to accept a500 cpu cards. See utri007’s post above. Stephen Leary and Toni Wilen did some work already.
(I have a spare working cdtv I can lend or sell cheaply to olaf or thor if interested)

Well, I still have my CDTV in storage. That might help in a pinch, but the general problem is currently lack of knowledge/understanding and manpower.

Knowing how to cater for the CDTV or the CD32 is an expert domain. The work being done on AmigaOS 3.2 is more of a task for generalists.

boemann · 01 April 2020, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Steril707

That's amazing, dude...
Thanks for the what must have been huge amount of work you put into this...

Thanks, and btw I'm a dudette if you want to use such a term

gulliver · 01 April 2020, 10:44

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Originally Posted by eXeler0

Is a new ROM 3.2 planned or is this a pure software update that runs off 3.1.4 ROMs?

A ROM is planned but you will be able to use the 3.1.4 ROM by using LoadModule to update it.

fgh · 01 April 2020, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Olaf Barthel

Well, I still have my CDTV in storage. That might help in a pinch, but the general problem is currently lack of knowledge/understanding and manpower.

Knowing how to cater for the CDTV or the CD32 is an expert domain. The work being done on AmigaOS 3.2 is more of a task for generalists.

You and Thor are experts in my book, that’s for sure

I’m sure Toni Wilen would help, he’s an expert on many things amiga related, plus he has a cdtv he hacked to bits, and has done quite some research on the cdtv roms already.

demon-knight · 01 April 2020, 15:35

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Originally Posted by Olaf Barthel

What, specifically, is in need of attention?

Nothing really, just with all the attention it is getting with accelerators etc it would be a nice to have, but not essential.

Tigerskunk · 01 April 2020, 16:38

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Originally Posted by boemann

Thanks, and btw I'm a dudette if you want to use such a term

Ok, so, thanks for your hard work and dedication, dudette...

utri007 · 01 April 2020, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Olaf Barthel

Well, I still have my CDTV in storage. That might help in a pinch, but the general problem is currently lack of knowledge/understanding and manpower.

Knowing how to cater for the CDTV or the CD32 is an expert domain. The work being done on AmigaOS 3.2 is more of a task for generalists.

Stephen Leary and Toni Wilen made a possible to build CDTV.device, wich is main reason, why A500 accelerators doesn't work with CDTV.

https://github.com/terriblefire/cdtv.device

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I started with romsplit and remove cdtv.device from a CDTV Extended rom version 2.3.

I then used IDA for a good long while to identify the device driver elements and produce a crude source file.

I then used some python code (included) to scan for OS Calls, common patterns i noticed and update equates.

I then did a lot of code beautification by hand and matched up patterns to common driver code.

I used notes given to me by Toni Willen to figure many of the low level routines.

At each step i verified the changes hadnt changed the root binary md5 checksum.

kamelito · 01 April 2020, 22:04

It would be nice to deliver an updated version of Toolmaker and any other tools to help developing Amiga software more rapidly also add memory protection that’s Brice Nesbitt spoke about in his video. Fix all remaining bugs found in CBM database. Deliver an updated SDK and RKMs.

AlphaAmiga · 01 April 2020, 23:53

Will their be any space in ROM to fit in some sort of diagnostic tool(s) ala DiagROM, so that we don't have to go swopping ROMS in and out when trying to diagnose issues with our machines?

If not (and I suspect their wont be enough space) its not a deal breaker in any shape or form (just a really nice to have).

Thank you to the team for their hard work on updating the OS for classic users :-)

Stay safe & healthy everyone.

E-Penguin · 02 April 2020, 10:52

It would be excellent to have things like AHI, P96 and a TCP stack (roadshow?) built in, but I realise that's unlikely seeing as these are 3rd party products. Could the demo versions be included as optional features though, then those of us with the keys can just drop them in and be done

Jope · 02 April 2020, 11:32

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Originally Posted by E-Penguin

It would be excellent to have things like AHI, P96 and a TCP stack (roadshow?) built in, but I realise that's unlikely seeing as these are 3rd party products. Could the demo versions be included as optional features though, then those of us with the keys can just drop them in and be done

Please no. Only fully functional parts of the OS should be included, ones that are developed as a part of the OS development tree. Anything that lives its own development life outside of the OS should continue to live outside.

Minuous · 02 April 2020, 11:59

@kamelito:

Yes, there will be a 3.2 NDK.

amigang · 02 April 2020, 12:20

firstly great work guys keeping the OS updated.

my only issue would be the version name.

I know AmigaOS is a bit of mess as I gather OS 3.5 / 3.9 source code was never shared and it contained a number of third party add-ons that not owned by Haage & Partner or Amiga inc.

AmigaOS 3.1.4 is more advance than AmigaOS 3.9 correct?

I would called it AmigaOS 3.10 or now AmigaOS 3.11

as it does confuse me a least.

Minuous · 02 April 2020, 12:26

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Originally Posted by amigang

AmigaOS 3.1.4 is more advance than AmigaOS 3.9 correct?

In some ways yes, in some ways no.

OS3.2 will be more advanced than OS3.9 in almost all areas.

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I would called it AmigaOS 3.10

3.10 is equal to 3.1 which is an already-used release number.

E-Penguin · 02 April 2020, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Jope

Please no.

Please yes. An "extras" disk wouldn't hurt you; I doubt anyone will be pointing a gun at you forcing you to install it.

fxgogo · 02 April 2020, 15:08

Well done to you all for getting 3.1.4 out there. I have it on my 1200. So it has been a while since I have used my Amiga day to day, so I am quite rusty with its workings. How hard would it be to get the raspberry pi seen from the OS directly? I am thinking from an accelerator, RTG & memory point of view. Is that even a thing that could be done?

daxb · 02 April 2020, 15:10

AHI would already nee one extra disk. Roadshow 3 disks and P96 1 disk? I think such stuff is better for a distribution package like BestWB for example.

E-Penguin · 02 April 2020, 15:49

Now that's a fair point

AlphaAmiga · 02 April 2020, 16:40

To further E-Penguins point, would the team consider distributing the release on CD-Rom as well as a floppy version at all? This way it would be possible to include demo versions of the software E-Penguin mentioned on the CD Distribution (plus anything else the team consider as a nice add-on for people who have more powerful systems e.g BestWB etc?) as you would have plenty of space.

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01 April 2020, 22:04	#49
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	It would be nice to deliver an updated version of Toolmaker and any other tools to help developing Amiga software more rapidly also add memory protection that’s Brice Nesbitt spoke about in his video. Fix all remaining bugs found in CBM database. Deliver an updated SDK and RKMs.

01 April 2020, 23:53	#50
AlphaAmiga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Liverpool Posts: 163	Will their be any space in ROM to fit in some sort of diagnostic tool(s) ala DiagROM, so that we don't have to go swopping ROMS in and out when trying to diagnose issues with our machines? If not (and I suspect their wont be enough space) its not a deal breaker in any shape or form (just a really nice to have). Thank you to the team for their hard work on updating the OS for classic users :-) Stay safe & healthy everyone.

02 April 2020, 10:52	#51
E-Penguin Banana Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 1,213	It would be excellent to have things like AHI, P96 and a TCP stack (roadshow?) built in, but I realise that's unlikely seeing as these are 3rd party products. Could the demo versions be included as optional features though, then those of us with the keys can just drop them in and be done

02 April 2020, 11:59	#53
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	@kamelito: Yes, there will be a 3.2 NDK.

02 April 2020, 12:20	#54
amigang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Crewe, UK Posts: 146	firstly great work guys keeping the OS updated. my only issue would be the version name. I know AmigaOS is a bit of mess as I gather OS 3.5 / 3.9 source code was never shared and it contained a number of third party add-ons that not owned by Haage & Partner or Amiga inc. AmigaOS 3.1.4 is more advance than AmigaOS 3.9 correct? I would called it AmigaOS 3.10 or now AmigaOS 3.11 as it does confuse me a least.

02 April 2020, 15:08	#57
fxgogo Also known as GarethQ Join Date: May 2019 Location: Twickenham / U.K. Posts: 715	Well done to you all for getting 3.1.4 out there. I have it on my 1200. So it has been a while since I have used my Amiga day to day, so I am quite rusty with its workings. How hard would it be to get the raspberry pi seen from the OS directly? I am thinking from an accelerator, RTG & memory point of view. Is that even a thing that could be done?

02 April 2020, 15:10	#58
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	AHI would already nee one extra disk. Roadshow 3 disks and P96 1 disk? I think such stuff is better for a distribution package like BestWB for example.

02 April 2020, 15:49	#59
E-Penguin Banana Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 1,213	Now that's a fair point

02 April 2020, 16:40	#60
AlphaAmiga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Liverpool Posts: 163	To further E-Penguins point, would the team consider distributing the release on CD-Rom as well as a floppy version at all? This way it would be possible to include demo versions of the software E-Penguin mentioned on the CD Distribution (plus anything else the team consider as a nice add-on for people who have more powerful systems e.g BestWB etc?) as you would have plenty of space.

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