JST Kickstart 1.3 - Page 5

olesio · 08 December 2015, 20:55

Ok - sad, but true. I do not have problem with that. But I wanted to do something nice for one of my subscibed youtubers who publish movies in Polish language about Amiga + CDTV.

AMIGASYSTEM · 08 December 2015, 21:11

I did some testing with WHDLoad with the floppy test InternationalKarate, the latest versions of WHDLoad require 68020. With an old version of WHDLoad 13.0 InternationalKarate It has started quietly with an A600 base 1 MB (68000) while emulation CDTV and A500 1MB out error RAM

Retro1234 · 08 December 2015, 21:13

There are some games that can be run straight from HD on 1mb but I know when ive tried this and CDTV struggled I think because memory drops below 1mb and theres no option for ReadDelay - but there might be a few

CDTV with its CD-Rom memory drops below A500+ , what were commodore thinking?

If you have a floppy drive on your CDTV - you could create a CD full of ADFs ready to write to Floppy.

AMIGASYSTEM · 08 December 2015, 21:22

I think it's a problem Kick 1.3, the error of RAM It is due to lack of RAM Disk, I tried to copy the full Workbench 1.3 and the startup-sequence so that it would create the RAM Disk, after launching the WHDLoad the error is changed no more error RAM but error "File is not an Object Module"

jotd · 11 April 2016, 23:11

Not willing to hijack this thread but:
CD32load is the only .slave compatible program which can run whdload slaves from IDE hard disk with 1MB RAM. of course, it cannot run 1MB games, but a lot of 512K games (ex: Final Fight)

(ok so what if I hijack this JST thread, CD32load is a close cousin of JST).

dr.zeissler · 20 September 2016, 22:04

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dr.zeissler · 03 October 2016, 12:09

Are there any working JST Ports of these games:

URIDIUM2
SILKWORM
BODERBLOWS (ECS)

Thx
Doc

Retro1234 · 03 October 2016, 12:17

Have you tried JST 5 and the WHDload slave?
I will check some time..........

URIDIUM2 did have a HD crack maybe two live crew dont know if it works on kick1.3

zipper · 03 October 2016, 12:31

Google + web.archive.org:
Silkworm http://web.archive.org/web/200811131...s/slkwrmhd.lzx

Retro1234 · 03 October 2016, 12:38

Nice one zipper - I think Retroplay might have even installed some of them on the EAB file server.

jotd · 10 October 2016, 22:44

Best bet nowadays is JST 5 with Whdload slaves. Not as good as CD32load but Silkworm & Body Blows should work. Not sure about Uridium.

dr.zeissler · 10 October 2016, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Have you tried JST 5 and the WHDload slave?
I will check some time..........

URIDIUM2 did have a HD crack maybe two live crew dont know if it works on kick1.3

No WHDLoad slaves tested with JST 5 yet, sorry thought JST does not work with (most/all) WHDload-slaves.

Retro1234 · 11 October 2016, 12:31

Try JST 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Hi,

Small update of the program in the zone.

Tested games so far (I try to test the best ones: team 17, psyg, bitmap bros ... & the easiest ones):

AddamsFamily
Agony
AlienBreed
Assassin
BattleSquadron
BodyBlows
BodyBlowsGalactic
Cadaver
CadaverLevels
ChaosEngine
DesertStrike
F16-Falcon
FinalFight
FullContact
JamesPond
JungleStrike
Lotus2
MagicPockets
Prince Of Persia
Project-X SE
Qwak
RoboCop
Shadow Of the Beast
Shinobi
Speedball
SpeedBall2
SuperCars
Superfrog
Xenon2
Z-Out
Zool

dr.zeissler · 12 October 2016, 23:30

Thx! I tested a view WHDLoads and some worked

But I have two questions:

When I test a game (JST/WHD) I currently only go to the "info" and change "JST" or "WHDLoad" to "C:JST". I have put the JST 5 in the "c" folder before. I did not change any other thing.

1. Some Games do not start because they tell me that there is not enough free memory to allocate. I currently have 8MB but had to go down to 6MB because of the Bridgeboard. If the memory error occurs I get a "guru" and the machine freezes and I have to restart. Are 6MB to small, or can I optimite the Ram usage by adding options?

2. Some Games allow to stop them via "F10" or other keys. If I stop a game I get back to the workbench but I always get a "guru" too and the machine freezes so I have to make a restart. Can I optimize this in order to get a working workbench after quitting, or is a restart always required when quitting a jst-game?

Thx

Greetings
Stefan

jotd · 15 October 2016, 10:21

I revived JST for the sole reason of making whdload slaves run on kickstart 1.3. There are probably a lot of bugs in it remaining. One thing I did not look into was workbench startup.

Can you try the same things you're doing with the command line and not workbench? And which kickstart are you using? Maybe workbench startup is not 1.3 compatible, since I only adapted JST by testing on a minimal system using the command line.

cheers

dr.zeissler · 15 October 2016, 10:29

Ah! Never thought about starting the Amiga without booting the Workbench! I'll test that thx!!!

jotd · 15 October 2016, 14:37

you can start the wb, but just open a shell. that works (but booting without WB gives you even more memory)

jotd · 04 November 2017, 19:10

one year later, reviving this thread. I'm currently in the process to improve JST again:

- make it more compatible with WHDLoad (in fact, I think I'll drop "native" JST slave support as it takes a lot of room and isn't really useful), by backporting improvements made to CD32load
- still keep it compatible with kickstart 1.3
- compiled with vasm (no more phxass/amiga compilation) which should simplify development and make source code more useable by all
- aaannnnd: support the CD32 joypad the way CD32load supports it, but with a normal amiga (no CD load or low-level HD load). Which makes JST perfect for amigas which want to use the joypad with slaves which don't support it, or even Terrible Fire accelerators & CF cards on a CD32: no need for a keyboard.
- fix some nasty bugs remaining

note that XPKF packed data files aren't supported. There's no warning so reading such files often result in a nasty crash (I may add test for XPKF in the future but I probably won't add XPKF support)

ATM JST was ported to vasm and merging has started (Moonstone works, for instance). I'll keep you posted.

dr.zeissler · 05 November 2017, 01:26

As long as you keep it with 1.3 I'll check it out, great news!
Thx!

rare_j · 05 November 2017, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

- make it more compatible with WHDLoad (in fact, I think I'll drop "native" JST slave support as it takes a lot of room and isn't really useful), by backporting improvements made to CD32load

If the new version doesn't work with native jst slaves anymore it is probably best to change the name of the program to avoid any confusion.

08 December 2015, 21:13	#83
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,775	There are some games that can be run straight from HD on 1mb but I know when ive tried this and CDTV struggled I think because memory drops below 1mb and theres no option for ReadDelay - but there might be a few CDTV with its CD-Rom memory drops below A500+ , what were commodore thinking? If you have a floppy drive on your CDTV - you could create a CD full of ADFs ready to write to Floppy. Last edited by Retro1234; 08 December 2015 at 21:26.

20 September 2016, 22:04	#86
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	... Last edited by dr.zeissler; 02 October 2016 at 23:15.

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08 December 2015, 20:55	#81
olesio Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 337	Ok - sad, but true. I do not have problem with that. But I wanted to do something nice for one of my subscibed youtubers who publish movies in Polish language about Amiga + CDTV.

08 December 2015, 21:11	#82
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,252	I did some testing with WHDLoad with the floppy test InternationalKarate, the latest versions of WHDLoad require 68020. With an old version of WHDLoad 13.0 InternationalKarate It has started quietly with an A600 base 1 MB (68000) while emulation CDTV and A500 1MB out error RAM

08 December 2015, 21:22	#84
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,252	I think it's a problem Kick 1.3, the error of RAM It is due to lack of RAM Disk, I tried to copy the full Workbench 1.3 and the startup-sequence so that it would create the RAM Disk, after launching the WHDLoad the error is changed no more error RAM but error "File is not an Object Module"

11 April 2016, 23:11	#85
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	Not willing to hijack this thread but: CD32load is the only .slave compatible program which can run whdload slaves from IDE hard disk with 1MB RAM. of course, it cannot run 1MB games, but a lot of 512K games (ex: Final Fight) (ok so what if I hijack this JST thread, CD32load is a close cousin of JST).

03 October 2016, 12:09	#87
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	Are there any working JST Ports of these games: URIDIUM2 SILKWORM BODERBLOWS (ECS) Thx Doc

03 October 2016, 12:17	#88
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,775	Have you tried JST 5 and the WHDload slave? I will check some time.......... URIDIUM2 did have a HD crack maybe two live crew dont know if it works on kick1.3

03 October 2016, 12:31	#89
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,838	Google + web.archive.org: Silkworm http://web.archive.org/web/200811131...s/slkwrmhd.lzx

03 October 2016, 12:38	#90
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,775	Nice one zipper - I think Retroplay might have even installed some of them on the EAB file server.

10 October 2016, 22:44	#91
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	Best bet nowadays is JST 5 with Whdload slaves. Not as good as CD32load but Silkworm & Body Blows should work. Not sure about Uridium.

12 October 2016, 23:30	#94
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	Thx! I tested a view WHDLoads and some worked But I have two questions: When I test a game (JST/WHD) I currently only go to the "info" and change "JST" or "WHDLoad" to "C:JST". I have put the JST 5 in the "c" folder before. I did not change any other thing. 1. Some Games do not start because they tell me that there is not enough free memory to allocate. I currently have 8MB but had to go down to 6MB because of the Bridgeboard. If the memory error occurs I get a "guru" and the machine freezes and I have to restart. Are 6MB to small, or can I optimite the Ram usage by adding options? 2. Some Games allow to stop them via "F10" or other keys. If I stop a game I get back to the workbench but I always get a "guru" too and the machine freezes so I have to make a restart. Can I optimize this in order to get a working workbench after quitting, or is a restart always required when quitting a jst-game? Thx Greetings Stefan

15 October 2016, 10:21	#95
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	I revived JST for the sole reason of making whdload slaves run on kickstart 1.3. There are probably a lot of bugs in it remaining. One thing I did not look into was workbench startup. Can you try the same things you're doing with the command line and not workbench? And which kickstart are you using? Maybe workbench startup is not 1.3 compatible, since I only adapted JST by testing on a minimal system using the command line. cheers

15 October 2016, 10:29	#96
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	Ah! Never thought about starting the Amiga without booting the Workbench! I'll test that thx!!!

15 October 2016, 14:37	#97
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	you can start the wb, but just open a shell. that works (but booting without WB gives you even more memory)

04 November 2017, 19:10	#98
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,196	one year later, reviving this thread. I'm currently in the process to improve JST again: - make it more compatible with WHDLoad (in fact, I think I'll drop "native" JST slave support as it takes a lot of room and isn't really useful), by backporting improvements made to CD32load - still keep it compatible with kickstart 1.3 - compiled with vasm (no more phxass/amiga compilation) which should simplify development and make source code more useable by all - aaannnnd: support the CD32 joypad the way CD32load supports it, but with a normal amiga (no CD load or low-level HD load). Which makes JST perfect for amigas which want to use the joypad with slaves which don't support it, or even Terrible Fire accelerators & CF cards on a CD32: no need for a keyboard. - fix some nasty bugs remaining note that XPKF packed data files aren't supported. There's no warning so reading such files often result in a nasty crash (I may add test for XPKF in the future but I probably won't add XPKF support) ATM JST was ported to vasm and merging has started (Moonstone works, for instance). I'll keep you posted.

05 November 2017, 01:26	#99
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	As long as you keep it with 1.3 I'll check it out, great news! Thx!

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