What if DCE donated Amiga Hardware Schematics?

Yoto · 18 February 2009, 00:33

Indivision as recently developed the A1200 Aga Flicker Fixer, and judging for how many users purchased it i would guess it was a huge success.
So this DCE guys are still in the active, they still build parts to other machines. In a recent visit to their site its pretty obvious the have the "know how".
http://www.dcecom.de/html/index.html

If they built and sold Amiga hardware, how much success do you think they would have?

Ps: I read somewhere they cancelled Blizzard turbo cards repair due to some upsetting Amiga users...does anyone knows anything about it?

alexh · 18 February 2009, 10:46

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What keeps DCE from making Amiga Stuff?

Profit, or rather the lack of it. Plus components which are no longer available.

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If they built and sold Amiga hardware, how much success do you think they would have?

Non. They would have to invest more money than they could ever hope to recover.

The current high prices seen on eBay for accelerators are artificial due to demand outstripping supply. But the demand is not that big. As soon as they had one production run it would push the price of ALL accelerators down to nominal.

The Indivision AGA has done just that to the Amiga scandoubler market. Before the launch, older internal scandoublers were fetching on eBay about £200... now they are fetching a more normal £50

Unlike the accelerators, Indivision scandoubler does not rely on old chips which are no longer on general sale, making production easy.

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I read somewhere they cancelled Blizzard turbo cards repair due to some upsetting Amiga users...does anyone knows anything about it?

I know they upset Amiga users BY cancelling repairs and not returning the boards either.

Fingerlickin_B · 18 February 2009, 11:57

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Originally Posted by alexh

not returning the boards

Fuckers! I wonder how many of those ended up repaired & listed on eBay?

PZ.

viddi · 18 February 2009, 12:25

I live in Oberhausen and talked to Thomas Dellert some time ago.
He said they still have all Amiga production devices but simply don´t want to use them.

alexh · 18 February 2009, 12:56

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Originally Posted by viddi

He said they still have all Amiga production devices but simply don´t want to use them.

1) I bet it is more they can't afford to use them
2) The equipment they used to produce Amiga devices almost certainly are used to do other things these days. They will not just "lying unused" in the corner of the building somewhere.

viddi · 18 February 2009, 14:10

I know it sounds strange but it felt like he´s in a huff.

Paul_s · 18 February 2009, 15:49

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Originally Posted by viddi

I know it sounds strange but it felt like he´s in a huff.

Sounds like he needs a hug and a box of chocs then

It would be interesting to know just how many Indivisions have been sold world wide - makes me wonder how big the Amiga userbase is these days... hmmm food for thought.

alexh · 18 February 2009, 15:53

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Originally Posted by viddi

I know it sounds strange but it felt like he´s in a huff.

People who run a business like DCE do not "get in a huff". If there was enough money in it for him he would manufacture parts tomorrow.

He probably recalls how much "fun" it was back then making Amiga stuff and then the fuzzy warm feelings are ruined when he remembers much money he lost. Bound to make anyone depressed.

kriz · 18 February 2009, 16:44

And what about the design not being rohs compatible ? I think they need to redesign them also..

Paul_s · 18 February 2009, 16:51

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Originally Posted by kriz

And what about the design not being rohs compatible ? I think they need to redesign them also..

There's nothing wrong if your Amiga electrocutes you from time to time with 1000v- it shows it loves you by zapping you

Bloody elf n safety nonsense

and a bit of lead and mercury never hurt anyone - nout out of the ordinary with licking your accelerator from time to time!

alexh · 18 February 2009, 17:53

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Originally Posted by kriz

And what about the design not being rohs compatible ? I think they need to redesign them also..

Depends what parts (if any) would be non RoHS compliant and if they had an identical alternative.

Yoto · 19 February 2009, 02:22

I just dont understand why dont they sell Amiga Hardware patent to some other company. They could at least make the blueprints and Mach chips programming available to the public, afterall they dont even provide repair services or replacement parts.

Mellonhead · 19 February 2009, 04:38

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Originally Posted by alexh

I know they upset Amiga users BY cancelling repairs and not returning the boards either.

Yes, doing that procedure to my broken A1200 accelerator never endeared them (him?) to me, for some reason. (not that is was of any earthly use anymore, if I could have fixed it, I would have; but still ...)

alexh · 19 February 2009, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Yotoxionomai

I just dont understand why dont they sell Amiga Hardware patent to some other company.

I doubt VERY much they have any patents. And who's to say they havent? ACT sold the Apollo designs to Jens Schoenfeld who has just sat on them.

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Originally Posted by Yotoxionomai

They could at least make the blueprints and Mach chips programming available to the public

Because that would involve time. Time better spent doing something else. I am sure if you offered them enough money they would make the information available.

If they could, after all they may have lost them, or not be able to release for legal reasons say they don't own their designs 100%!

chiark · 19 February 2009, 12:13

Might as well ask the same of VillageTronic, who are alive and well and releasing hardware for the mac and *shudder* PC, like the ViDock expresscard based graphic solution...

There's no money in it. End of story. It's so niche it's untrue...

Yoto · 19 February 2009, 13:20

Im probably to naive, but what if EAB made a formal petition, asking them nicely to made whatever they could spare available to the public? Some kind of abandon Hardware.

alexh · 19 February 2009, 14:01

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Originally Posted by chiark

Might as well ask the same of VillageTronic, who are alive and well and releasing hardware for the mac and *shudder* PC, like the ViDock expresscard based graphic solution...

AFAIK VillageTronic sold/gave the rights to all their Amiga stuff to former employee and father of RTG Klaus Burkert. Upon his premature death in 2001 they were passed to Tobias Seiler (aka Mastatabs) who keeps saying he's going to do something eventually through his company http://www.sophisticated-development.de

He sold me new updated MACH & CPLD chips for my Picasso IV in 2002

chiark · 19 February 2009, 14:12

Ah, I didn't know that - thanks Alex. Sad to read about Klaus. Wonder if Tobias will ever do anything?

Yotoxionomai, I think they'd tell us politely to sod off.

Yoto · 19 February 2009, 14:50

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Yotoxionomai, I think they'd tell us politely to sod off.

Well, chiark, i know you are right, but for some reason i think we should at least try...
We have nothing to lose anyway.

chiark · 19 February 2009, 15:30

...but our dignity and pride?

Actually, mine went a long time ago. You make a sound point

18 February 2009, 00:33	#1
Yoto 1 Potato to Spam´em all! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lost in a Wine Country Age: 48 Posts: 572	What if DCE donated Amiga Hardware Schematics? Indivision as recently developed the A1200 Aga Flicker Fixer, and judging for how many users purchased it i would guess it was a huge success. So this DCE guys are still in the active, they still build parts to other machines. In a recent visit to their site its pretty obvious the have the "know how". http://www.dcecom.de/html/index.html If they built and sold Amiga hardware, how much success do you think they would have? Ps: I read somewhere they cancelled Blizzard turbo cards repair due to some upsetting Amiga users...does anyone knows anything about it? Last edited by Yoto; 18 February 2009 at 02:40.

18 February 2009, 14:10	#6
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,015	I know it sounds strange but it felt like he´s in a huff. Last edited by viddi; 18 February 2009 at 14:17.

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18 February 2009, 12:25	#4
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,015	I live in Oberhausen and talked to Thomas Dellert some time ago. He said they still have all Amiga production devices but simply don´t want to use them.

18 February 2009, 16:44	#9
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 42 Posts: 3,222	And what about the design not being rohs compatible ? I think they need to redesign them also..

19 February 2009, 02:22	#12
Yoto 1 Potato to Spam´em all! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lost in a Wine Country Age: 48 Posts: 572	I just dont understand why dont they sell Amiga Hardware patent to some other company. They could at least make the blueprints and Mach chips programming available to the public, afterall they dont even provide repair services or replacement parts.

19 February 2009, 12:13	#15
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Might as well ask the same of VillageTronic, who are alive and well and releasing hardware for the mac and shudder PC, like the ViDock expresscard based graphic solution... There's no money in it. End of story. It's so niche it's untrue...

19 February 2009, 13:20	#16
Yoto 1 Potato to Spam´em all! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lost in a Wine Country Age: 48 Posts: 572	Im probably to naive, but what if EAB made a formal petition, asking them nicely to made whatever they could spare available to the public? Some kind of abandon Hardware.

19 February 2009, 14:12	#18
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Ah, I didn't know that - thanks Alex. Sad to read about Klaus. Wonder if Tobias will ever do anything? Yotoxionomai, I think they'd tell us politely to sod off.

19 February 2009, 15:30	#20
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	...but our dignity and pride? Actually, mine went a long time ago. You make a sound point

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