HD installs (not WHDLoad)

antonvaltaz · 07 November 2009, 17:26

I have been trying to install a few games using their original installers (i.e. not the WHDLoad ones).

I am having a few issues with two installs, namely Monkey Island 2 and Historyline 1914-1918. In both cases, they install fine but won't run from an emulated A1200 HD - or rather, they will run but the graphics are utterly corrupted. They will run from an emulated A500+ HD, and from floppy on an emulated A1200.

I'm sure I used to have both of these running fine from my real A1200 HD in the '90s - and in fact in the case of Historyline, when installing it even gave me the choice of a 68020 version (which I accepted). Am I missing something? (NB I tried NoFastMem from the Workbench, made no difference).

musashi5150 · 07 November 2009, 17:34

If you turn off CPU caches and boot with original chipset in the early startup menu then MonkeyIsland2 will most likely work ok

Retro-Nerd · 07 November 2009, 17:36

On a real Amiga you probably used the Early Startup menu (hold down both mouse buttons during the boot), where you can disable the caches/switch to OCS. This worked fine for Monkey Island, not sure about History Line.

Edit: musashi was too fast.

antonvaltaz · 07 November 2009, 17:41

Excellent, that works fine!

I do remember doing that sometimes on my real Miggy, should have thought of that myself really...

Out of curiosity, what's the technical reason that it will load from an A1200 floppy *without* that step, but on the HD it requires it?

musashi5150 · 07 November 2009, 17:44

Most likely the Setpatch on your HD enabling all the features of the machine to the best level. Most games when booted from floppy don't bother with this.

Try just turning the cpu caches off and see if that makes a difference. You might not need to boot in 'original chipset mode' after all.

antonvaltaz · 07 November 2009, 17:55

No, just tried it and in fact it works with OCS + cache left on, but not the other way round.

Never mind, as long as it works!

StingRay · 07 November 2009, 18:07

Cache is not the problem, fetchmode is. Setpatch enables AGA features and thus the graphics are corrupted. You can "fix" that by using a degrader such as TUDE.

antonvaltaz · 07 November 2009, 18:57

I have just downloaded and installed TUDE from Aminet - my first impression is that it doesn't seem any less fiddly than simply using the early startup menu?

Maybe I need to take a look more at it... does it let you create a customised script for a specific game, so you can click on an icon for that game and have it degrade just for that game?

cosmicfrog · 07 November 2009, 23:08

thats what iconX is for, running a script from an icon

TCD · 14 November 2009, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by plankton

It even comes with some examples IIRC

Not on the Workbench disks, but it's easy just to open the file itself with a text viewer/editor and learn from that.

antonvaltaz · 15 November 2009, 00:23

So if I use IconX do I need TUDE as well?

cosmicfrog · 15 November 2009, 00:45

yes iconx is for running scripts from an icon on workbench
can`t remeber exactly how you use it
but make scrpit -
tude gamename
make icon for it but tooltype is iconx
well something like that, been a long time
think icon name is same as script name
like i say been a long time, someone round here could explain better nodought

antonvaltaz · 15 November 2009, 10:19

Now, I think those instructions would have made a lot of sense to me 10-15 years ago, but now they just confuse me :-)

Can anyone offer a dummy's guide?

NewDeli · 16 November 2009, 21:37

Can't you use WinUAE to install those games, and come back to your Amiga to test them ?
Sorry if that sounds weak, but I managed to install quite a few games (which I packed & uploaded on my site) without much trouble thanks to WinUAE.
Still, you would have to become familiar with degraders at some point, if I ain't mistaken (Tude is not the only one, you can "Aminet" for others).

07 November 2009, 17:26	#1
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	HD installs (not WHDLoad) I have been trying to install a few games using their original installers (i.e. not the WHDLoad ones). I am having a few issues with two installs, namely Monkey Island 2 and Historyline 1914-1918. In both cases, they install fine but won't run from an emulated A1200 HD - or rather, they will run but the graphics are utterly corrupted. They will run from an emulated A500+ HD, and from floppy on an emulated A1200. I'm sure I used to have both of these running fine from my real A1200 HD in the '90s - and in fact in the case of Historyline, when installing it even gave me the choice of a 68020 version (which I accepted). Am I missing something? (NB I tried NoFastMem from the Workbench, made no difference).

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07 November 2009, 17:34	#2
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	If you turn off CPU caches and boot with original chipset in the early startup menu then MonkeyIsland2 will most likely work ok

07 November 2009, 17:36	#3
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,475	On a real Amiga you probably used the Early Startup menu (hold down both mouse buttons during the boot), where you can disable the caches/switch to OCS. This worked fine for Monkey Island, not sure about History Line. Edit: musashi was too fast.

07 November 2009, 17:41	#4
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Excellent, that works fine! I do remember doing that sometimes on my real Miggy, should have thought of that myself really... Out of curiosity, what's the technical reason that it will load from an A1200 floppy without that step, but on the HD it requires it?

07 November 2009, 17:44	#5
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	Most likely the Setpatch on your HD enabling all the features of the machine to the best level. Most games when booted from floppy don't bother with this. Try just turning the cpu caches off and see if that makes a difference. You might not need to boot in 'original chipset mode' after all.

07 November 2009, 17:55	#6
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	No, just tried it and in fact it works with OCS + cache left on, but not the other way round. Never mind, as long as it works!

07 November 2009, 18:07	#7
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Cache is not the problem, fetchmode is. Setpatch enables AGA features and thus the graphics are corrupted. You can "fix" that by using a degrader such as TUDE.

07 November 2009, 18:57	#8
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	I have just downloaded and installed TUDE from Aminet - my first impression is that it doesn't seem any less fiddly than simply using the early startup menu? Maybe I need to take a look more at it... does it let you create a customised script for a specific game, so you can click on an icon for that game and have it degrade just for that game?

07 November 2009, 23:08	#9
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	thats what iconX is for, running a script from an icon

15 November 2009, 00:23	#11
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	So if I use IconX do I need TUDE as well?

15 November 2009, 00:45	#12
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	yes iconx is for running scripts from an icon on workbench can`t remeber exactly how you use it but make scrpit - tude gamename make icon for it but tooltype is iconx well something like that, been a long time think icon name is same as script name like i say been a long time, someone round here could explain better nodought

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15 November 2009, 10:19	#13
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Now, I think those instructions would have made a lot of sense to me 10-15 years ago, but now they just confuse me :-) Can anyone offer a dummy's guide?

16 November 2009, 21:37	#14
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Can't you use WinUAE to install those games, and come back to your Amiga to test them ? Sorry if that sounds weak, but I managed to install quite a few games (which I packed & uploaded on my site) without much trouble thanks to WinUAE. Still, you would have to become familiar with degraders at some point, if I ain't mistaken (Tude is not the only one, you can "Aminet" for others).