Which Amiga game source codes should be released?

mc68060 · 08 July 2020, 12:05

Given the recent release of the Agony sources, which other Amiga game sources should be made available to the public because of their historical significance?

Here's my top 3:

1. Turrican II - The Final Fight
2. Shadow of the Beast
3. Lemmings

I wonder why Factor 5 hasn't released the Turrican II sources yet. They are quite active in the retro scene and releasing the Turrican II sources would certainly a nice gift to all Amiga fans.

coldacid · 08 July 2020, 13:23

I'd really like to see the source of all OS4 exclusive games released, so we can work on porting them to run on classic.

roondar · 08 July 2020, 13:25

I'd love to see the Turrican II and Turrican I source code. They're such iconic games from the 8 and 16 bit systems.

DanScott · 08 July 2020, 14:54

Would it surprise many people, that the majority of game source code is now lost in the midsts of time ?

I know for a fact that all the Core Design source code is long gone... perhaps a few bits and pieces scattered around somewhere languishing on long forgotten hard drives.

roondar · 08 July 2020, 15:32

Oh, I'm not surprised at all. But a man can dream, even if it's never going to happen

Minuous · 08 July 2020, 17:16

The Turrican 3 source code is already available, https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=40375

I would imagine the Turrican 2 source would be rather similar to it.

roondar · 08 July 2020, 17:32

I don't think that is quite correct. AFAIK Turrican 3 is a different code base which made by reusing the Mr. Nutz code as it's base. Which kind of makes sense, as Turrican 3 is a rather different game than it's two predecessors.

Galahad/FLT · 08 July 2020, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanScott

Would it surprise many people, that the majority of game source code is now lost in the midsts of time ?

I know for a fact that all the Core Design source code is long gone... perhaps a few bits and pieces scattered around somewhere languishing on long forgotten hard drives.

All the Gremlin stuff has now gone. When I was there they were quite meticulous about storing it all in a locked room.

Gremlin sold to Funcom and it all got skipped!

mc68060 · 08 July 2020, 17:38

It's also a different coder. Turrican 1+2 were written by Holger Schmidt, Turrican 3 by Peter Thierolf of Apidya fame.

Galahad/FLT · 08 July 2020, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc68060

Given the recent release of the Agony sources, which other Amiga game sources should be made available to the public because of their historical significance?

Here's my top 3:

1. Turrican II - The Final Fight
2. Shadow of the Beast
3. Lemmings

I wonder why Factor 5 hasn't released the Turrican II sources yet. They are quite active in the retro scene and releasing the Turrican II sources would certainly a nice gift to all Amiga fans.

I'm pretty sure Beast is out in the wild, so many people had access to it for the various conversions that I'm sure its been leaked.

mc68060 · 08 July 2020, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

All the Gremlin stuff has now gone. When I was there they were quite meticulous about storing it all in a locked room.

Man, you should've just stolen it

mc68060 · 08 July 2020, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

I'm pretty sure Beast is out in the wild

+1 for nice pun!

Hope I can hunt that down sometime...

Predseda · 08 July 2020, 17:43

Is there a point in releasing source codes for Amigans other than just a curiosity of few programmers, who can appreciate it? I mean is there a chance to use something from this old heritage for anything new?

LaBodilsen · 08 July 2020, 17:43

I would like to see Stuntcar racer source code released.

Minuous · 08 July 2020, 19:28

@Predseda:

It makes modifying the game easier, eg. if someone wanted to try to fix a jerky scrolling routine or whatever.

saimon69 · 08 July 2020, 19:51

Mr. Nutz was technically NUTS so releasing that source code would help do similar things

donnie · 08 July 2020, 19:57

Team 17 efforts.

Most of them ran in Fullscreen, 32 colors At solid framerates.

saimon69 · 08 July 2020, 20:11

I know Dan Scott said most Core sources are gone, would however like to see how universe did deal with CLUT and create a standard around its engine for other adventures

Tigerskunk · 08 July 2020, 21:18

I'd say 'none of them'.
Most of the advanced programming techniques are readily known and I'd be really surprised if there was anything we didnt already knew.

jotd · 08 July 2020, 21:35

All Gremlin source code isn't gone. I have Lotus & Lotus 3 plus Supercars 2 source by Codetapper. Maybe I'll get hold of Harlequin...

The SC2 source helped me to improve my Supercars III java remake. I also have access to Jim Power source which I used to make CD32 conversion easier!

Note that a few game executables weren't stripped of their symbols: examples: Thexder, Earl Weaver Baseball (partially), Zool 2 CD32 & Roadkill CD32. No comments, but all variable & function names!

08 July 2020, 12:05	#1
mc68060 With MMU and FPU! Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: On your mainboard Posts: 270	Which Amiga game source codes should be released? Given the recent release of the Agony sources, which other Amiga game sources should be made available to the public because of their historical significance? Here's my top 3: 1. Turrican II - The Final Fight 2. Shadow of the Beast 3. Lemmings I wonder why Factor 5 hasn't released the Turrican II sources yet. They are quite active in the retro scene and releasing the Turrican II sources would certainly a nice gift to all Amiga fans.

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roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,409	I'd love to see the Turrican II and Turrican I source code. They're such iconic games from the 8 and 16 bit systems.

08 July 2020, 14:54	#4
DanScott Lemon. / Core Design Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Tier 5 Posts: 1,211	Would it surprise many people, that the majority of game source code is now lost in the midsts of time ? I know for a fact that all the Core Design source code is long gone... perhaps a few bits and pieces scattered around somewhere languishing on long forgotten hard drives.

08 July 2020, 15:32	#5
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,409	Oh, I'm not surprised at all. But a man can dream, even if it's never going to happen

08 July 2020, 17:16	#6
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	The Turrican 3 source code is already available, https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=40375 I would imagine the Turrican 2 source would be rather similar to it.

08 July 2020, 17:32	#7
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,409	I don't think that is quite correct. AFAIK Turrican 3 is a different code base which made by reusing the Mr. Nutz code as it's base. Which kind of makes sense, as Turrican 3 is a rather different game than it's two predecessors.

08 July 2020, 17:38	#9
mc68060 With MMU and FPU! Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: On your mainboard Posts: 270	It's also a different coder. Turrican 1+2 were written by Holger Schmidt, Turrican 3 by Peter Thierolf of Apidya fame.

08 July 2020, 17:43	#13
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Is there a point in releasing source codes for Amigans other than just a curiosity of few programmers, who can appreciate it? I mean is there a chance to use something from this old heritage for anything new?

08 July 2020, 17:43	#14
LaBodilsen Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Denmark Posts: 179	I would like to see Stuntcar racer source code released.

08 July 2020, 19:28	#15
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	@Predseda: It makes modifying the game easier, eg. if someone wanted to try to fix a jerky scrolling routine or whatever.

08 July 2020, 19:51	#16
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,519	Mr. Nutz was technically NUTS so releasing that source code would help do similar things

08 July 2020, 19:57	#17
donnie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: sthlm Posts: 226	Team 17 efforts. Most of them ran in Fullscreen, 32 colors At solid framerates.

08 July 2020, 20:11	#18
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,519	I know Dan Scott said most Core sources are gone, would however like to see how universe did deal with CLUT and create a standard around its engine for other adventures

08 July 2020, 21:18	#19
Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,770	I'd say 'none of them'. Most of the advanced programming techniques are readily known and I'd be really surprised if there was anything we didnt already knew.

08 July 2020, 21:35	#20
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	All Gremlin source code isn't gone. I have Lotus & Lotus 3 plus Supercars 2 source by Codetapper. Maybe I'll get hold of Harlequin... The SC2 source helped me to improve my Supercars III java remake. I also have access to Jim Power source which I used to make CD32 conversion easier! Note that a few game executables weren't stripped of their symbols: examples: Thexder, Earl Weaver Baseball (partially), Zool 2 CD32 & Roadkill CD32. No comments, but all variable & function names!

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