Burning DVDs on a real Amiga - Which s/w and drive to use

DC33 · 17 March 2009, 10:49

Been doing some research on EAB but haven't been able to find the right answer so far.

I am using a *real 1200* with CF card which has ClassicWB installed etc etc.... As times have moved on from years ago whereby I used a SCSI CD burner to back-up my drive and the like, I have not been able to find a compromise between available amiga s/w and current DVD burners on the market today. I understand that I could remove the CF card and use WinUAE to back it up etc... but I am looking for a solution which will negate the need for having to do this.

My questions are:

1. - Does Make CD support today's DVD burners..? and if so, which? I have tried 3 separate units without any luck! Note: tried with CD's as opposed to DVD discs.

2. - ...or is it best to use Burn It ? Either one does not seem to do the job.

3. - Am I best off in investing in an old CD burner to do the job?

All feedback is appreciated.

Thanks

Jope · 17 March 2009, 10:51

Fryingpan?

DC33 · 17 March 2009, 10:55

Tried that but couldn't get it to recognise the drives. As such, how could I register the product if it doesn't do what I need?

From what I remember, it's a bit of a catch 22.... maybe not. However I could not get it to do s**t ! maybe I must try again.

Do you know if it "works/supports" all current DVD burners or if it has its limitations?

:0

Jope · 17 March 2009, 10:58

Should work. When unregistered, it is "read only" so if it won't work for you in unregistered mode, then bad luck.

Get a master/slave CF adapter and plug another card in the slave slot.. Then use QB or Diavolo or whatever to back it up to the second card. :-)

DC33 · 17 March 2009, 11:02

.......bad luck ain't good enough !!!

Ok then, if it is; then it really sucks !!

Calgor · 17 March 2009, 13:25

MakeCD should support most ATAPI IDE burners afaik. From memory, I could write CDs using a LiteOn DVD burner connected to a SCSI-IDE bridge.

Couldn't get FryingPan to work properly as that version was buggy or it might have been my SCSI-IDE bridge, the latest one somewhere may work.

Most modern drive should work with MakeCD with the SCSI3_ATAPI driver, as long as you have a later version, e.g. MakeCD 3.2d I think was the last.

http://www.estamos.de/makecd/auto/Co...ty_3.html#SEC3

MakeCD is organised differently to most modern burning programs, but as you have used it before, I assume you know how it works.

rkauer · 17 March 2009, 15:55

Also look in Aminet. I'm pretty sure someone as uploaded a DVD driver for 68k machines, so you will be able to burn 4.7Gb of data at once.

DC33 · 18 March 2009, 10:08

@Calgor

Many thanks for the information and extra incentive... I was just aboiut to give up until I read your reply. I borrowed a DVD drive off a spare PC I have and to my surprise it all works as expected with Make CD. However this is only applicable to CDs as opposed to DVDs.

Is it possible to burn DVDs under MakeCD?

Calgor · 18 March 2009, 16:26

No MakeCD cannot it is too old, you should use FryingPan. Last version I know of is 1.3.2 which is a year old, don't know what's going on. There may be one other application but not sure. (Incidentally On OS4.x there is also AmiDVD. On MorphOs there is BurnIt!3. Shame efforts are all split else we might have had an open source superDVD program)

rkauer · 18 March 2009, 18:21

MakeCD is not "tooltype-aware"?

Nor "device-aware"?

Calgor · 19 March 2009, 03:04

@rkauer

Have you burned DVDs some other way other than FryingPan? Would be interested to know an alternative. Not aware of MakeCD burning DVDs, are you saying it may be able to by changing some config?

DC33 · 19 March 2009, 09:27

@Calgor
It would "appear" that burning DVD's with MakeCD "may" just be possible.....

I inserted a DVD instead of a CD, selected several tracks to be burnt which are different partitions within the CF card which total in excess of a normal DC's ~700 Meg size and so far, the burning process seems to be working....

!! so fingers crossed.

Will update you/everyone when all is done. Lets hope it works.

@rkauer... Thanks for the tip, if that's what you meant,

DC33 · 19 March 2009, 11:17

Much to my amazement..... I am absolutely amazed that I am amazed at the fact that it is amazing that MakeCd CAN burn DVD's...

No parameters were changed during the burning process other than "ignoring" any MakeCD requesters. I clicked "ignore" throughout the process and I now have a complete 1.2 Gig DVD with all my recently installed stuff !!!

DC33 · 19 March 2009, 11:31

OK people... Enough of the amazing stuff (although it is amazing - as far as I can tell !!) Did/Does/is anyone else on this board aware of the fact that this IS actually possible?

I realise it isn't a massive breakthrough but it seems that no one was "actually" aware not the fact...except we know who?

cosmicfrog · 19 March 2009, 13:14

well I`m amazed too, good work dc33, might even consider givin the amiga a dvd writer now

Calgor · 19 March 2009, 15:25

I am gob-smacked.... wow... obviously rkauer had some idea. I did not know of this. Surely someone will now point to some forum somewhere to show DC33 was not the first to publicly proclaim.

This thread suggests that even some knowledgable ppl were not aware it is possible:
http://amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=134

Can your DVD be read on a "PC"?

Jope · 19 March 2009, 16:41

Probably? The only thing to consider when burning DVDs for Amiga use is, you must use the ISO9660 filesystem. Most PC software default to UDF, which afaik is not supported by the classic Amiga cd handlers

DC33 · 19 March 2009, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgor

Can your DVD be read on a "PC"?

Unfortunately not, however this is not my aim at the moment, but might just give it a go. I have all my amiga stuff on CDs/DVDs already and all I wanted to achieve was to do a "backup" of my current configuration so that it doesn't take me forever to gwt the system up and running should it crash.... Although it would be nice to be able to read it on a PC for WinUAE for example. Will give it a try later and let everyone know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Probably? The only thing to consider when burning DVDs for Amiga use is, you must use the ISO9660 filesystem. Most PC software default to UDF, which afaik is not supported by the classic Amiga cd handlers

Thanks for pointing this out Jope. I cannot recall using this setting so I must try it and see what results I get.

rkauer · 19 March 2009, 21:30

That's the beauty of Amiga OS: you simply update a "driver" (device or datatype) and even programs made 20 years ago will run with the new file type/hardware flawlessly!

Lovely computer!

exoticaga · 19 March 2009, 23:28

ISO9660 is standard accross many platforms as is one or the one cd and dvd base specification. It will be the chr$ that may stop some files or directorys not showing, if wrong for windows os < or > etc for example. Where as on the amiga they are ok to use in filenames.

17 March 2009, 10:49	#1
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	Burning DVDs on a real Amiga - Which s/w and drive to use Been doing some research on EAB but haven't been able to find the right answer so far. I am using a real 1200 with CF card which has ClassicWB installed etc etc.... As times have moved on from years ago whereby I used a SCSI CD burner to back-up my drive and the like, I have not been able to find a compromise between available amiga s/w and current DVD burners on the market today. I understand that I could remove the CF card and use WinUAE to back it up etc... but I am looking for a solution which will negate the need for having to do this. My questions are: 1. - Does Make CD support today's DVD burners..? and if so, which? I have tried 3 separate units without any luck! Note: tried with CD's as opposed to DVD discs. 2. - ...or is it best to use Burn It ? Either one does not seem to do the job. 3. - Am I best off in investing in an old CD burner to do the job? All feedback is appreciated. Thanks

18 March 2009, 18:21	#10
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	MakeCD is not "tooltype-aware"? Nor "device-aware"? Last edited by rkauer; 18 March 2009 at 19:07.

19 March 2009, 11:17	#13
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	Update... Much to my amazement..... I am absolutely amazed that I am amazed at the fact that it is amazing that MakeCd CAN burn DVD's... No parameters were changed during the burning process other than "ignoring" any MakeCD requesters. I clicked "ignore" throughout the process and I now have a complete 1.2 Gig DVD with all my recently installed stuff !!!

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17 March 2009, 10:51	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,915	Fryingpan?

17 March 2009, 10:55	#3
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	Tried that but couldn't get it to recognise the drives. As such, how could I register the product if it doesn't do what I need? From what I remember, it's a bit of a catch 22.... maybe not. However I could not get it to do s**t ! maybe I must try again. Do you know if it "works/supports" all current DVD burners or if it has its limitations? :0

17 March 2009, 10:58	#4
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,915	Should work. When unregistered, it is "read only" so if it won't work for you in unregistered mode, then bad luck. Get a master/slave CF adapter and plug another card in the slave slot.. Then use QB or Diavolo or whatever to back it up to the second card. :-)

17 March 2009, 11:02	#5
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	.......bad luck ain't good enough !!! Ok then, if it is; then it really sucks !!

17 March 2009, 13:25	#6
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	MakeCD should support most ATAPI IDE burners afaik. From memory, I could write CDs using a LiteOn DVD burner connected to a SCSI-IDE bridge. Couldn't get FryingPan to work properly as that version was buggy or it might have been my SCSI-IDE bridge, the latest one somewhere may work. Most modern drive should work with MakeCD with the SCSI3_ATAPI driver, as long as you have a later version, e.g. MakeCD 3.2d I think was the last. http://www.estamos.de/makecd/auto/Co...ty_3.html#SEC3 MakeCD is organised differently to most modern burning programs, but as you have used it before, I assume you know how it works.

17 March 2009, 15:55	#7
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Also look in Aminet. I'm pretty sure someone as uploaded a DVD driver for 68k machines, so you will be able to burn 4.7Gb of data at once.

18 March 2009, 10:08	#8
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	@Calgor Many thanks for the information and extra incentive... I was just aboiut to give up until I read your reply. I borrowed a DVD drive off a spare PC I have and to my surprise it all works as expected with Make CD. However this is only applicable to CDs as opposed to DVDs. Is it possible to burn DVDs under MakeCD?

18 March 2009, 16:26	#9
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	No MakeCD cannot it is too old, you should use FryingPan. Last version I know of is 1.3.2 which is a year old, don't know what's going on. There may be one other application but not sure. (Incidentally On OS4.x there is also AmiDVD. On MorphOs there is BurnIt!3. Shame efforts are all split else we might have had an open source superDVD program)

19 March 2009, 03:04	#11
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	@rkauer Have you burned DVDs some other way other than FryingPan? Would be interested to know an alternative. Not aware of MakeCD burning DVDs, are you saying it may be able to by changing some config?

19 March 2009, 09:27	#12
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	@Calgor It would "appear" that burning DVD's with MakeCD "may" just be possible..... I inserted a DVD instead of a CD, selected several tracks to be burnt which are different partitions within the CF card which total in excess of a normal DC's ~700 Meg size and so far, the burning process seems to be working.... !! so fingers crossed. Will update you/everyone when all is done. Lets hope it works. @rkauer... Thanks for the tip, if that's what you meant,

19 March 2009, 11:31	#14
DC33 Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bathurst Australia Posts: 281	OK people... Enough of the amazing stuff (although it is amazing - as far as I can tell !!) Did/Does/is anyone else on this board aware of the fact that this IS actually possible? I realise it isn't a massive breakthrough but it seems that no one was "actually" aware not the fact...except we know who?

19 March 2009, 13:14	#15
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	well I`m amazed too, good work dc33, might even consider givin the amiga a dvd writer now

19 March 2009, 15:25	#16
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	I am gob-smacked.... wow... obviously rkauer had some idea. I did not know of this. Surely someone will now point to some forum somewhere to show DC33 was not the first to publicly proclaim. This thread suggests that even some knowledgable ppl were not aware it is possible: http://amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=134 Can your DVD be read on a "PC"?

19 March 2009, 16:41	#17
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,915	Probably? The only thing to consider when burning DVDs for Amiga use is, you must use the ISO9660 filesystem. Most PC software default to UDF, which afaik is not supported by the classic Amiga cd handlers

19 March 2009, 21:30	#19
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	That's the beauty of Amiga OS: you simply update a "driver" (device or datatype) and even programs made 20 years ago will run with the new file type/hardware flawlessly! Lovely computer!

19 March 2009, 23:28	#20
exoticaga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Posts: 446	ISO9660 is standard accross many platforms as is one or the one cd and dvd base specification. It will be the chr$ that may stop some files or directorys not showing, if wrong for windows os < or > etc for example. Where as on the amiga they are ok to use in filenames.

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